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  • Week in Review: Death Spiral


    Nick Nelson

    Undermanned and clearly unequipped for the season-defining challenge ahead of them last week, the Minnesota Twins shrunk in the moment, watching their postseason hopes wilt nearly into nothingness. 

    There will be plenty of time ahead for broader postmortem analysis of a team fading into irrelevance just in time for fans to turn their attention to football. For the purposes of this column, we'll stay centered on the past seven days and what to take away.

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    Weekly Snapshot: Mon, 9/5 through Sun, 9/11
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    Record Last Week: 1-6 (Overall: 69-70)
    Run Differential Last Week: -15 (Overall: +13)
    Standing: 3rd Place in AL Central (4.5 GB)

    Last Week's Game Results:

    Game 133 | NYY 5, MIN 2: Homers from Marwin, Judge Sink Twins
    Game 134 | NYY 5, MIN 4: Offense Stymied by Yankees Bullpen
    Game 135 | NYY 7, MIN 1: Nothing Left in the Tank for the Nightcap
    Game 136 | MIN 4, NYY 3: Twins Finally Scrape Out a Win in NYC
    Game 137 | CLE 7, MIN 6: Late Rally Can't Overcome Bad Bundy
    Game 138 | CLE 6, MIN 4: Another Early Hole Proves Too Deep
    Game 139 | CLE 4, MIN 1: Overmatched Twins Go Quietly in Sweep

    NEWS & NOTES

    A week ago the Twins found themselves precariously perched atop the division. "While they're still tied for first out of sheer circumstance" I wrote in the lede, "this team is not in a good place."

    Boy, that was putting it mildly. Seven long days later, the Twins are now below .500 and buried in third place. Their chances of making the postseason, according to FiveThirtyEight, have sunk to 8 percent.

    Sigh.

    The past week saw a lot of roster movement on the pitching staff, with the usual drumbeat of churn and burn remaining steady here as the end draws near. A quick rundown:

    • Cole Sands was activated from his injured list stint on Thursday, supplanting Austin Davis from the roster. In fact, Davis was designated for assignment, one day after giving up three runs on four walks in one inning against the Yankees. Another brilliant waiver pickup by this front office.
    • Speaking of waiver pickups, right-hander Jake Jewell – claimed from Cleveland in mid-August – was outrighted from the 40-man roster. He never got a chance with the Twins.
    • STILL speaking of waiver pickups, Jharel Cotton will likely get another chance with the Twins, having been re-added to the 40-man and active rosters. Minnesota needed the additional pitching depth with Chris Archer landing on the IL due to pectoral tightness that forced him out of Saturday's game. 

    In slightly positive news, the Twins did get Josh Winder back following his time spent on the IL, rehabbing, and then at Triple-A. He gave up a couple of solo homers but mostly looked solid in his return to action. Sands was optioned to make room for Winder.

    HIGHLIGHTS

    Louie Varland, take a bow.

    The reigning Twins minor league pitcher of the year was called upon for his big-league debut in the toughest of circumstances on Wednesday: at Yankee Stadium, against an eternal franchise tormentor, in the midst of a tight pennant race. Despite the immense pressure, Varland came through in flying colors, allowing just one run through five innings before being pulled midway through the sixth.

    The runner he left behind scored on a home run off Griffin Jax, so Varland finished with this nevertheless brilliant line: 5.1 IP, 2 ER, 3 H, 1 BB, 7 K. He returned to the minors later that day, having been called up as a 29th man for the doubleheader, but we'll presumably see the right-hander again soon.

    Varland's arrival will go down as a signature moment in this season, but likely one that came too little and too late from a team contention perspective. The same can be said about Carlos Correa emerging at last with the game-changing clutch hits we've all been waiting for. 

    The shortstop was instrumental in securing a single victory at Yankee Stadium, with his two-out, two-run homer in the eighth inning on Thursday proving to make the difference in a 4-3 win. The following night, Correa went 4-for-5 with four RBIs in trying (futilely) to will the team past Cleveland.

    Sadly, because Correa's teammates have done so little to support the cause, his September heroics will likely end up doing more to stoke his impending free agent market than thrust the Twins back into contention.

    LOWLIGHTS

    If the previous weekend's 13-0 dismantling in Chicago was the lowlight of the entire season – and I'd argue it was – Tuesday's tragic mess in New York has to be a close runner-up. 

    Despite getting a brilliant start from Varland in his debut, and taking a 3-0 early lead, and throwing all of their best relievers, and having endless opportunities to break the game open ... the Twins fell in 12 innings. Their absolute lack of fortitude was as glaring as it has been all year. 

    It really felt like the Yankees didn't even care much to win the game, trotting out a backup-filled lineup and lower-caliber arms, while the Twins were furiously throwing everything they had – their six best relievers, pinch-runners, pinch-hitters – and still they couldn't find a way to squeak it out.

    Max Kepler, who struck out looking as a pinch-hitter with two outs and two on in the eighth that night, has been completely ineffective for several months, and it snowballed last week as he battled through a hip injury that ultimately shut him down on Sunday. Kepler struck out in two of his three pinch-hit appearances and popped out behind the plate in another. On Saturday he hit cleanup and went 0-for-5.

    With their season rapidly slipping away and so many key fixtures sidelined, the Twins have been desperate for Kepler to step up – left with no choice but to write him into the middle of their decimated lineup against right-handed pitchers. Kepler has done the opposite of answering the call, with the worst WPA on the team since August 1st. It's not lost on me that he's been playing through things physically, but those excuses feel empty for a player whose unwavering, deeply flawed approach keeps him endlessly bound to mediocrity, while those around him grow and progress. 

    Maybe the new rules limiting defensive shifts in 2023 will prove to be a salve for Kepler's long-stagnating game. To be honest I'm not super interested in finding out. 

    Kepler contributed to a roundly horrible performance from the Twins' beleaguered outfield in another sparse offensive week that saw the club score more than four runs just once in seven games:

    • Kyle Garlick, also playing through pain while being forced into more action against righties than anyone would like, went 3-for-24 with 11 strikeouts. Zero walks, zero extra-base hits, zero RBIs. Like Kepler, he probably shouldn't even be on the field.
    • Jake Cave's moment as catalyst and hype man proved short-lived. He managed a double and two singles in 23 at-bats.
    • Gilbert Celestino produced four singles in 19 at-bats. His OPS has cratered to a season-low .623 as he's ceased to present any kind of meaningful threat at the plate. In an ideal world he'd be learning how to hit in Triple-A.

    With the exception of Varland, pitching was really no better over the past week, surrendering 37 runs and 13 homers in seven games. You of course had the expected lapses from Dylan Bundy (4.2 IP, 7 ER vs. CLE) and Archer (2 ER allowed in 2 IP before exiting Saturday's game). Other struggles were more concerning – like those of Jorge López, continuing to exhibit shaky confidence and command ever since being acquired, as well as the rookie starter they hoped to entrench as a rotation cornerstone.

    Almost every time he faces a lineup with power, we're reminded why the prospect of Joe Ryan starting a playoff game is so foreboding. That's becoming less of an immediate concern, but still, the Twins will be positioned to depend heavily on Ryan again in 2023, with Tyler Mahle in total limbo, Chris Paddack rehabbing into the season, and Kenta Maeda returning from a lost season at age 35. 

    Wednesday night's game typified the new norm for Ryan, who nibbled around the zone and issued four walks before (former Twin!) Isiah Kiner-Falefa – owner of a .328 slugging percentage coming into the game – delivered a back-breaking grand slam in the fourth inning on a first pitch that must've looked like a beach ball. 

    After looking so cool, collected, and in control early on, Ryan now seems to be on the defensive more often than not, trying keep hitters off his low-90s fastball with secondary stuff that just hasn't been very effective.

    In the first two months Ryan posted a 2.28 ERA with three home runs allowed in eight starts (0.6 HR/9). Since the start of June, he has a 5.01 ERA with 17 home runs allowed in 15 starts (1.9 HR/9).

    That's a trend that has reflected the team at large: strong front-runners early on, progressively running out of steam to the point where they now barely look competitive against quality opponents. There's technically time left to turn it around, but why would anyone believe?

    TRENDING STORYLINE

    Trailing by 4 ½ games in the AL Central with 23 left to play, the Twins are mathematically still alive, and they actually have a path to making up rapid ground with 11 games in those remaining 23 against the two teams ahead of them. 

    Given the current state of the team, it feels nigh impossible to envision such a turn of fate, but stranger things have happened. For what it's worth, there is still a possibility of the roster getting a bit stronger during these last few weeks. Winder looked decent in his return on Sunday. Bailey Ober rejoining the rotation is imminent after a 66-pitch rehab tune-up at St. Paul on Sunday. 

    Jorge Polanco should be back this week. Trevor Larnach, Ryan Jeffers and Byron Buxton are all still ostensibly expected to return before year's end, although time is running out for them to make any kind of meaningful impact. 

    LOOKING AHEAD

    As poorly as they've played, and as fatal as the past week might've felt to any lingering hopes for the Twins, there's a pretty feasible scenario that gets them back within striking distance in the next eight days: 

    • Twins sweep the Royals at home.
    • Cleveland drops two of three at home against the Angels while the White Sox split a home two-game series against Colorado.
    • White Sox beat Guardians in a makeup game on Thursday.
    • Twins take four of five from Guardians in Cleveland, while White Sox lose two of three in Detroit.

    It's a series of events that would leave the division looking like this with a little over two weeks to go:

    • 1st: CWS: 75-71
    • 1st: MIN: 75-71
    • 3rd: CLE: 75-72 (0.5 GB)

    This would put the Twins in front of Cleveland and tied with Chicago, still holding six head-to-head matchups against the latter. Of course, you might tell me it's not especially feasible for Minnesota to pull this off, given how they've looked, and I'd agree. But the fact remains that the opportunity is still there. Even if you picture a slightly less rosy scenario, it's not unthinkable the Twins are somehow in the thick of it a week from now. Which is incredible to think about.

    TUESDAY, 9/13: ROYALS @ TWINS – LHP Kris Bubic v. RHP Joe Ryan
    WEDNESDAY, 9/14: ROYALS @ TWINS – RHP Zack Greinke v. RHP Sonny Gray
    THURSDAY, 9/15: ROYALS @ TWINS – LHP Daniel Lynch v. RHP Dylan Bundy
    FRIDAY, 9/16: TWINS @ GUARDIANS – TBD v. RHP Shane Bieber
    SATURDAY, 9/17 (G1): TWINS @ GUARDIANS – TBD v. LHP Konnor Pilkington
    SATURDAY, 9/17 (G2): TWINS @ GUARDIANS – TBD v. TBD
    SUNDAY, 9/18: TWINS @ GUARDIANS – RHP Joe Ryan v. RHP Cody Morris

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    The culmination of a pretty decent team being led by an uninspiring dugout and data person. The individual should not be allowed to wear that Twins hoodie next year or be allowed to enter the grounds. Injuries, bad pitching and horrific field leadership have led us to this.

    Hopefully change will happen just as the leaves will fall before winter. Go Twins!

    Twins Geezer.... out!

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    The law firm of Hamilton, Hamilton and Palacios are on the 26 man roster and none of them are playing during a time when we are desperate for ANYONE to PLAY DECENTLY. 

    RiverBrian posted the above - it is something I have been thinking about.  How many players do we have on the roster that have no value?  The last four slots in our lineup cancel the value of the 4/5 hitters getting on base.  This is where the injuries really show.  But aren't there minor league batters like Wallner, Helman worth trying?  I know that minor league value doesn't always translate to MLB - look at Cave's ST Paul stats.  But we have to keep shuffling the deck until a few Aces show up.  Go to AA if necessary.  

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    12 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

    But we have to keep shuffling the deck until a few Aces show up.  Go to AA if necessary.  

    You'll be lucky to find a face card and you're likely to find a few jokers.

    That said, once this team is eliminated from the race they need to cut Billy Hamilton. He's not helpful.

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    What has happened to the bomba squad  , it's non existence  ...

    Can't score runs in scoring position  without the bomba squad  ...

    We stopped hitting bombas and management is still playing the same way as if we are ...

    No small ball with runners in scoring position  , I understand the no bunting  to move runner up a base and not give the other team an out ...

    What I don't understand is with no outs and a player hits a double and we don't bunt him over to third and then hit a sacrifice fly to the outfield to score the runners , when one plan isn't working  you have to improvise to another plan ... 

    Looking over the stats of the players this morning  and  most of them are  pathetic and in my opinion  that is reflective on our coaching  .... 

    We have a rookie miranda leading the team in RBI's with 61   ,  we will not have a player reach 100 rbis since Eddie Rosario  was here ,,,, no player will accumulate a 100 runs scored since Dozier i believe  , I remember when players hit 40 or more doubles a year , arraez leads the team on doubles with 28 , Buxton with his speed should have hit 40 doubles before he went on the IL if he was hitting this year ... he does lead the club with 28 homeruns  but only 51 rbis  , that was not a productive season  as his homers were mostly solo homeruns  ...

    Batting average is led by Arraez's  315 average  , followed gordon 281 followed by Correa 278 , Miranda at 275 and urshela at 267 followed by Polanco at 237  , the rest suck ,, 

    I think average , rbis and runs matter and  a ball not in play ( strikeouts  ) suck ... 

    Anyone not protecting the plate with two strikes  and strikes out looking should be fined , any runner not injured should be fined for not running a ball out ( see kepler a couple of weeks ago standing at home while the ball was fair ,  confused he was  ) you run everything out and don't leave your fate to the umpires  ...

    We need change of coaching  ...

    Our moderators have asked us not to use names,  third base  needs another change in coaching  , pitching coach definitely should have a new coach replacing the departed Wes Johnson  , some would believe a hitting coach too ,  but until we get an even rhythm of baseball  ( new school and old school baseball together  )  I don't think a new hitting coach will change anything  ...

    So are we divided on the concept of baseball  , stay the plan or change the plan ....

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    10 hours ago, PopRiveter said:

    Apparently you weren’t at the game today like I was, watching an outfield of Cave/Celestino/Garlick. The Twins had to field that group because injuries have sidelined Buxton, Kepler, Kiriloff, Larnach, and Contreras. All higher options on the depth chart than the players that were actually playing.

    The infield is missing Polanco, Sano, Lewis and Jeffers. 

    That’s without even mentioning the many pitching injuries that have gutted the starting and relief corps.

    The team is broken. They are cooked. They are severely injured. I feel it’s disingenuous to claim otherwise.

    No I wasn't, but I am staring at the box score as I write this, and I see a pretty talented batting order compared to the rest of our division, which is what I said we had enough talent to compete against.  The top 7, and Sanchez at the bottom for a spell, can compete in this division; we are not devoid of talent in that clubhouse.  Same can be said for the pitchers we sent out there.  None of them are slugs, even if Lopez had a bad day.  

    I know what everyone is saying about the injuries, but I also know what they all have been saying about the young guys coming up to fill in.  Miranda, Gordon, Garlick, Celestino, and some of the pitchers have done fine in replacing guys who are down, not to mention Arraez, Correa, and Urshela.  For all the reasons we have talked about here all season they have not put it together as we had hoped, but it is not for lack of ability.  

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    11 hours ago, PopRiveter said:

    Apparently you weren’t at the game today like I was, watching an outfield of Cave/Celestino/Garlick. The Twins had to field that group because injuries have sidelined Buxton, Kepler, Kiriloff, Larnach, and Contreras. All higher options on the depth chart than the players that were actually playing.

    The infield is missing Polanco, Sano, Lewis and Jeffers. 

    That’s without even mentioning the many pitching injuries that have gutted the starting and relief corps.

    The team is broken. They are cooked. They are severely injured. I feel it’s disingenuous to claim otherwise.

    Kirilloff was going to be at 1B where Arraez has been the primary and Miranda the backup. Both of whom are better than Kirilloff has been.

    Garlick's maybe a 1 WAR/year drop off from Kepler. 

    Larnach has been largely replaced with Gordon who has held his own quite well.

    Sano is negative value and it was fortuitous he wasn't needed on the 26 man roster so Arraez could play 1B and make his first All Star Game.

    Lewis was never going to be a starter in the infield this year. He wasn't going to supplant Correa. Lewis was going to be what Gordon is.

    Jeffers is no better than Sanchez. We haven't lost anything there.

    The real point is Polanco and Buxton are the only players the Twins are really missing right now in the lineup.

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    Quote from our manager: 'this thing is not over. It's not close to over'

    Its not over---correct. It's not close to over--incorrect. Its very close to over. He is saying all the right things publicly but he must know in his heart of hearts....its really over. Unless he pulls all kind of magic out of an non-existent hat, this team won't be beating Cleveland this weekend. And I seriously doubt they can sweep KC, which they will have to do to stay even remotely in the race (which i believe has left the building)

    Fundamental baseball has also left the building. When a team is struggling mightily with scoring runs, why not bunt? Why not try to hit to the right side?  Why not try and manufacture a run instead of trying to hit the ball to North Dakota? The lower half of our lineup and the bench is woefully inadequate so you have to get creative. But really, Twins are not as good as Cleveland or Chicago right now. We fans really shouldn't be expecting much. But what we do expect is for these guys to go out everyday and bust their tails trying. What we have seen too much...lack of hustle; mental mistakes; and real bad pitching. Thats probably not going to change in the final handful of games.

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    52 minutes ago, insagt1 said:

    Quote from our manager: 'this thing is not over. It's not close to over'

    He's paid to sound optimistic. I would expect that he is wrong if "this thing" is the Twins' hopes for the season. I would hope that he is wrong if "this thing" is his Twins' career.

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    Well written, Nick. 

    I too am looking ahead, but to 2023.  And what I see looks good, very good.  Don't see a need for a lot of changes, other than good health to a lot of players.  Maybe a little tinkering with a massive change in the dugout to the manager and coaching staff, ie, total change.

    Have a wonderful winter, Nick.

     

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    17 hours ago, RpR said:

    Some thing is totally out of whack, behind by six or seven runs they can hit and score runs, though not enough to win; down by one run when they bat, hitting is some thing the other guy does only the other guy does not.

    Going against other teams mop up men is what it is. Simple as that. Down by 4 or better late, the other team is going to put someone in there to rest their better arms. 

     

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    1 hour ago, Battle ur tail off said:

    Going against other teams mop up men is what it is. Simple as that. Down by 4 or better late, the other team is going to put someone in there to rest their better arms. 

     

    OK , excpet earlier in the year, they shut down after five innings regardless of who was the pitcher

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    19 hours ago, PopRiveter said:

    This article twice characterized Wnder looking good today. I disagree. He was getting hit hard and managed to take advantage of some nice breaks. Glad he got through it, but I don’t think many of us there today felt confident with the frequent hard contact he was allowing. 

    I said he looked "solid" and "decent" -- hardly glowing praise lol. But I'll take a 4-to-1 K/BB ratio in 4 IP after he put up 9 K and 10 BB in 23 IP over his previous 5 Twins appearances. Step in the right direction.

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    There should be a season-long graph similar to the game win probability graphs that show the flagging levels of Twins fans' hopes. Big spike when we signed Correa. Moderate spikes when we gave Duran and Miranda regular gigs - everything else, craters. Can't wait to play the Yankees and Astros more times next season and the Royals and Tigers less.  

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    Just heard a bit of a sports show on WCCO radio; in the part I heard they said injuries were piling up but that was zero excuse for getting swept by Cleveland, or their poor play of late.

    Sadly I could not stay for any more.

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    15 minutes ago, Teflon said:

    There should be a season-long graph similar to the game win probability graphs that show the flagging levels of Twins fans' hopes. Big spike when we signed Correa. Moderate spikes when we gave Duran and Miranda regular gigs - everything else, craters. Can't wait to play the Yankees and Astros more times next season and the Royals and Tigers less.  

    First time it cratered was the mid-June series with Cleveland when Pagan blew multiple games. Then it rose at the trade deadline. And cratered to an all time low this week. 

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    Cleveland on their way to a win tonight.  Thus 5 games back.  If Cleveland finishes 11-12, the Twins would have to go 16-7 just to tie.  LOL.  Please, no chance, none whatsoever.  My guess is Cleveland finishes 13-10 and the Twins 9-14, thus we end up 9 games back.

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    So here's the thing, 23G left and not yet mathematically eliminated. It's baseball. How many times over the years have we seen the improbable actually happen? Seems to happen every single year to one team or another. So why not the Twins? Do I actually EXPECT this team, so injured and down and incomplete to make a move over 23G...with help from losses by Cleveland and Chicago...to actually have a realistic chance to win the ALC? NOPE. But I'm also old school enough to know you never give up, for PRIDE sake if nothing else.

    It will take luck and desperation for the Twins to make a move at this point. And that's EXACTLY what I'm ASKING FOR at this point. And I'm asking for it in a POSITIVE way! 

    We have the next several months to debate the staff, the players, the FO, 2022, and everything in between as well as 2023. But how do we finish 2022? I prefer to go down kicking and screaming!

    1] Bring up Wallner, probably too early, let him get experience and work out some early 2023 kinks. A rookie who doesn't know any better, and pitchers who don't know him, he might crank a couple HR and help win a game. He has to be added anyway, why not now? Cave doesn't have a future and Kepler is a shadow of himself. 

    2] Archer is on the IL and probably done. Mercifully so, though I'm not trying to be mean. He just didn't turn out. He OR Bundy wasn't a bad 5th option, but both helped doom the rotation. Winder and probably Ober should BOTH be up to finish out the season to get ready for 2023 if nothing else. And even if Ober or Winder settles in the pen to finish 2022, Varland should ABSOLUTELY be in the rotation to finish things out. You couldn't have asked for a more difficult debut for Varland than Yankee stadium and he was cool and solid. All 3 should be part of the finish for 2022, whether it's hopeful lightening in a bottle or just getting ready for next year.

    3] I have nothing against Cotton. He's been OK here and there even though his peripherals aren't great. But I'm still stunned Davis and Jewell were added over a 3rd veteran in Peacock. He's been better than the other 2 for his career, as well as the past few months. Why those 2 journeymen and not him blows my mind. For that matter, are we going to protect Sisk? He was lights out at AA, OK to begin AAA, and then lights out again. Why not roll the dice?

    4] Garlick is good in a role against LH pitching and doesn't totally suck against RH arms. But he's playing at maybe 75% health. With nothing to lose, why not Helman up to provide flexibility position wise, and a HEALTHY RH bat with speed on the basepaths and some XB power.

    Who are we looking to protect and keep at this point? Archer, Cotton, Hamilton, Hamilton? Give a couple healthy guys a shot to supplement whats left of the team and hope lightening strikes a couple of times. 

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    WeSo here's the thing, 23G left and not yet mathematically eliminated. It's baseball. How many times over the years have we seen the improbable actually happen? Seems to happen every single year to one team or another. So why not the Twins? Do I actually EXPECT this team, so injured and down and incomplete to make a move over 23G...with help from losses by Cleveland and Chicago...to actually have a realistic chance to win the ALC? NOPE. But I'm also old school enough to know you never give up, for PRIDE sake if nothing else.

    It will take luck and desperation for the Twins to make a move at this point. And that's EXACTLY what I'm ASKING FOR at this point. And I'm asking for it in a POSITIVE way! 

    We have the next several months to debate the staff, the players, the FO, 2022, and everything in between as well as 2023. But how do we finish 2022? I prefer to go down kicking and screaming!

    1] Bring up Wallner, probably too early, let him get experience and work out some early 2023 kinks. A rookie who doesn't know any better, and pitchers who don't know him, he might crank a couple HR and help win a game. He has to be added anyway, why not now? Cave doesn't have a future and Kepler is a shadow of himself. 

    2] Archer is on the IL and probably done. Mercifully so, though I'm not trying to be mean. He just didn't turn out. He OR Bundy wasn't a bad 5th option, but both helped doom the rotation. Winder and probably Ober should BOTH be up to finish out the season to get ready for 2023 if nothing else. And even if Ober or Winder settles in the pen to finish 2022, Varland should ABSOLUTELY be in the rotation to finish things out. You couldn't have asked for a more difficult debut for Varland than Yankee stadium and he was cool and solid. All 3 should be part of the finish for 2022, whether it's hopeful lightening in a bottle or just getting ready for next year.

    3] I have nothing against Cotton. He's been OK here and there even though his peripherals aren't great. But I'm still stunned Davis and Jewell were added over a 3rd veteran in Peacock. He's been better than the other 2 for his career, as well as the past few months. Why those 2 journeymen and not him blows my mind. For that matter, are we going to protect Sisk? He was lights out at AA, OK to begin AAA, and then lights out again. Why not roll the dice?

    4] Garlick is good in a role against LH pitching and doesn't totally suck against RH arms. But he's playing at maybe 75% health. With nothing to lose, why not Helman up to provide flexibility position wise, and a HEALTHY RH bat with speed on the basepaths and some XB power.

    Who are we looking to protect and keep at this point? Archer, Cotton, Hamilton, Hamilton? Give a couple healthy guys a shot to supplement whats left of the team and hope lightening strikes a couple of times. 

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    2 hours ago, Teflon said:

    Can't wait to play the Yankees and Astros more times next season and the Royals and Tigers less.  

    Next season we will play the Yankees 7 times and the Astros 6 times. This season we played the Yankees 7 times and the Astros 6 times. The decrease in intra-division games next year is to make room for more inter-league games.

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    17 hours ago, roger said:

    Well written, Nick. 

    I too am looking ahead, but to 2023.  And what I see looks good, very good.  Don't see a need for a lot of changes, other than good health to a lot of players. 

    They may need to change players to change the health of players. For example, I don't know if Kirilloff or Ober will ever be healthy for a full season. I know Buxton won't be healthy for a full season.

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    1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

    They may need to change players to change the health of players. For example, I don't know if Kirilloff or Ober will ever be healthy for a full season. I know Buxton won't be healthy for a full season.

    I hear your concern, DSL44, and share it.  But I don't know if it makes sense to change players.  Sure wouldn't want to trade Buxton.  Rather, they need to build better depth so that when player X goes down for whatever length they have someone more capable to step in.

    For examples, as much as we were excited about Celestino the first month or so that he was playing regularly, he has proven to not be as good over the entire season.  Maybe a good 5th outfielder, but we need a #4 outfielder who is better and can play center.

     

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    On 9/12/2022 at 10:17 AM, bean5302 said:

    Kirilloff was going to be at 1B where Arraez has been the primary and Miranda the backup. Both of whom are better than Kirilloff has been.

    Garlick's maybe a 1 WAR/year drop off from Kepler. 

    Larnach has been largely replaced with Gordon who has held his own quite well.

    Sano is negative value and it was fortuitous he wasn't needed on the 26 man roster so Arraez could play 1B and make his first All Star Game.

    Lewis was never going to be a starter in the infield this year. He wasn't going to supplant Correa. Lewis was going to be what Gordon is.

    Jeffers is no better than Sanchez. We haven't lost anything there.

    The real point is Polanco and Buxton are the only players the Twins are really missing right now in the lineup.

    I can’t let this go. I will try hard to be respectful, but I just can’t see this the way you do.

    Buxton, Polanco, Kepler, Sano, Kiriloff, and Jeffers all made the opening day roster and all were out hurt. It was painfully obvious that a Plan B lineup was on the field.

    First line of defense this year included opening day roster bench players who are now regulars-Arraez (thank God), Gordon & Celestino (both having risen to perform above expectations). These were supposed to be supplemental talent, not the core group.

    Then comes the frontline contigency minor league group which was led by Garlick, Miranda, Lewis (out), Larnach (out).

    It’s been a lot of blows to the depth of the lineup. Most everyone has lost some time and all the lifelines have been used extensively.

    At this point, the attrition has overwhelmed the team. 

    Again, this isn’t even touching on the pitching.

    Is it an excuse? You can decide that for yourself. 

    Is it an inescapable truth? Yup. 100%

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    20 hours ago, Nine of twelve said:

    Next season we will play the Yankees 7 times and the Astros 6 times. This season we played the Yankees 7 times and the Astros 6 times. The decrease in intra-division games next year is to make room for more inter-league games.

    I stand corrected. Now if we could just infuse Buxton et al with some Cal Ripken-sequenced DNA, my doom and gloom perspective might lighten to merely gloom!

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    3 hours ago, PopRiveter said:

    I can’t let this go. I will try hard to be respectful, but I just can’t see this the way you do.

    Buxton, Polanco, Kepler, Sano, Kiriloff, and Jeffers all made the opening day roster and all were out hurt. It was painfully obvious that a Plan B lineup was on the field.

    First line of defense this year included opening day roster bench players who are now regulars-Arraez (thank God), Gordon & Celestino (both having risen to perform above expectations). These were supposed to be supplemental talent, not the core group.

    Then comes the frontline contigency minor league group which was led by Garlick, Miranda, Lewis (out), Larnach (out).

    It’s been a lot of blows to the depth of the lineup. Most everyone has lost some time and all the lifelines have been used extensively.

    At this point, the attrition has overwhelmed the team. 

    Again, this isn’t even touching on the pitching.

    Is it an excuse? You can decide that for yourself. 

    Is it an inescapable truth? Yup. 100%

    Buxton - Will never play a full season in his career. He's going to finish the season with his highest number of games played in the past 5 years. Of course he's been hurt. He'll always be hurt. Always, always. He's produced 4 WAR this year, matching his career best.

    Polanco - Will likely qualify for a championship trophy this year (full season) with 120+ games played. It's not like he's missed the season or something. Did it suck to lose him? Sure. It probably cost the Twins 1 win.

    Kepler - He's a 2 WAR player. A solid starter, but nothing more. The dropoff for Kepler to Celestino or Garlick isn't that bad. Besides, Kepler is on pace for about 135 games this year. He'll qualify for a full season.

    Sano - Is a scrub level player. He's produced 1.0 or more WAR in 1 of his past 5 seasons. Had the Twins not locked him up after 2019, he would have been non-tendered already. It was a blessing Arraez got to start full time at 1st base (where he made the All Star Game). The Twins benefitted at least 4 WAR from Sano not playing 1B this year.

    Kirilloff - No defensive value and all the scouting grades and promises in the world can't make up for the fact Kirilloff refuses to take walks leading to a low OBP and he hasn't shown significant power. He was projected at under 1 WAR this year.

    Jeffers - Is, at best, neutral compared to Sanchez. It would have been nice to have Jeffers so the Twins weren't playing Sandy Leon, but it's not like the Twins lost much here.

    Revisionist history abounds with Lewis. He was not expected to play at the MLB level this year. He was called up because he was (totally unexpectedly) torching AAA pitching. Nobody saw this coming. Lewis holding his own at AAA would have been considered a major achievement, let alone playing well at the MLB level... where he was never going to start more than a handful of games at SS because of Correa anyway. Side note. Had Lewis remained healthy and continued to play well as a utility player, Gordon likely would have been DFA'd or traded.

    What does it matter if the Twins are playing guys they didn't expect to be playing if the replacements are just as good, better or almost as good as the intended starters?

    The inescapable truth is the Twins roster was utterly log-jammed and there was no space for all these supposed first team guys you've penciled in, but let's go ahead and build this dream roster.
    C - Jeffers
    1B - Sano (Twins lose 4 WAR)
    2B - Polanco (Twins gain 1 WAR)
    3B - Urshela (No change)
    SS - Correa (No change)
    LF - Larnach (No change)
    CF - Buxton (Twins gain 3 WAR)*** Buxton playing a full season at CF will never, ever, ever, EVER happen 
    RF - Kepler (No change)
    DH - Arraez (Twins gain 1.0 WAR)
    UI/UO - Lewis
    UI/UO - Kirilloff
    BC - Sanchez
    PH - Miranda
    In this scenario, Gordon doesn't play for the Twins, Miranda and Kirilloff are bit players getting only a handful of at bats, Arraez has his value diminished at DH instead of 1B, there's no difference at catcher and Lewis fills Gordon's role as a utility guy. For the regulars, I'm counting the Twins gaining just 1 single WAR. Just 1 win with the dream team vs. what they actually fielded.

    The Twins pitchers aren't worth anything. As has been pointed out, the ONLY actual starter who was in the rotation day 1 who is not in the rotation now or won't start at least 25+ games is Ober... a #5 guy. The Twins haven't lost any significant value from the starters.

    The Twins bullpen... exactly how much value do people expect from the bullpen. Like seriously? Alcala and Coulumbe were going to transform into something other than middle reliever? What did the Twins lose? 1.0 win? Maybe?

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