Twins Trade Kintzler To Nationals

big dog · July 31, 2017

Best wishes to Brandon- a great story, and I wish him all the best. Here's to working hard!

PS, I hope I get to see you pitch in the Series this fall.

Winston Smith · July 31, 2017

Tyler Watson.

big dog · July 31, 2017

Tyler Watson.

Elementary, my dear Winston.

spanman2 · July 31, 2017

Certainly have an opportunity to get him back in the off season as he is a free agent. He was very solid in a Twins uniform. Good luck Brandon! Great example of not giving up and continuing to put in the work.

Puckett34 · July 31, 2017

Somebody tell me how to feel about the return

dbminn · July 31, 2017

Best wishes to Brandon Kintzler... Thanks for the saves!

luckylager · July 31, 2017

Somebody tell me how to feel about the return

Hopeful.

Puckett34 · July 31, 2017

Hopeful.

Eh. Good enough for a guy that was pitching independent ball 2 years ago.

daveha · July 31, 2017

Here's what Chelsea James, The Nationals' beat reporter, said

Nats sending lefty Tyler Watson, lefty from Hagerstown, to Minnesota. Was 6-4 with a 4.35 this year, but rising fast.

Han Joelo · July 31, 2017

Sounds a bit like a Tyler we already have in low-A, but you can never have enough spare Tylers.

Sweetwater · July 31, 2017

Finally a FO that is decisive and realistic. Maybe I'm wrong but the past guy would have sat on Kintzler and crossed his fingers.

mazeville · July 31, 2017

Twins also got international bonus money in the deal.

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/892119472861065217

Mike Sixel · July 31, 2017

My thoughts are here:

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/26988-kintzler-to-nationals-in-exchange-for-tyler-watson/

the addition of international money is great.

nicksaviking · July 31, 2017

Somebody tell me how to feel about the return

Watson? Or the odds of Kintzler's return?

Better than zero for both.

rdehring · July 31, 2017

I kind of like how these guys operate, Seth.

gunnarthor · July 31, 2017

Finally a FO that is decisive and realistic. Maybe I'm wrong but the past guy would have sat on Kintzler and crossed his fingers.

The last guy made a lot of these trades, too.

Steve Lein · July 31, 2017

Pleasantly surprised to get that some bonus $$ as well. Watson was about the type of prospect one should expect back for Kintzler. Appears to have some upside yet.

nytwinsfan · July 31, 2017

The ERA is misleading. Good K and BB numbers. 98 K and 24 BB in 93 innings, and just turned 20 two months ago. Also scouting reports seem to say his frame is projectable (6 foot 5, 200 lbs) even though his FB is 89-90 now.

70charger · July 31, 2017

Somebody tell me how to feel about the return

I vote for outrage. I expect every subsequent post from you about this topic to be in all caps.

Winston Smith · July 31, 2017

The ability to spend more Int money is a nice lottery pick.

gunnarthor · July 31, 2017

Somebody tell me how to feel about the return

It's a solid trade. If it all works out, Watson could be a back end starter under team control for six years. It's more likely that he's a LH reliever but he has years to work this out. Realistically, the most likely scenario is that he washes out before AAA but he's another good lotto ticket. Most will fail but some will make it.

Kwak · July 31, 2017

Finally a FO that is decisive and realistic. Maybe I'm wrong but the past guy would have sat on Kintzler and crossed his fingers.

...and demanded a "hometown discount" for another contract!

Brock Beauchamp · July 31, 2017

Okay, I was on board with this trade as a player-for-player swap.

And then I saw the $500,000 (!) of international cap space thrown in.

Shrewd. Smart. I like the way this front office operates.

drjim · July 31, 2017

Nice little return along with the international money.

Twins traded the two guys they had to. Would expect some minor August moves too.

John Bonnes · July 31, 2017

This likely won't be a very popular opinion, but the Twins gave up on this year for maybe five guys who:

a. probably don't rank in the top 15 in their organization and

b. probably don't rank in the top 300 in the minors and

c. likely will make little to no difference in their future?

That's what Littell, Enns, & Watson are, right? And given the reliever market (which we just saw for Kintzler), they certainly wouldn't have needed to give up much to add a couple of competent relievers.

I know it's been a tough week, but this was a mistake. I don't get why they wouldn't ride it and chance the 9% chance they hat making the playoffs. It feels like panic. What did we gain exactly for giving up?

Mike Sixel · July 31, 2017

Okay, I was on board with this trade as a player-for-player swap.

And then I saw the $500,000 (!) of international bonus money thrown in.

Shrewd. Smart. I like the way this front office operates.

There can't be many top international guys left, frankly. Unless they are going into Japan....

Brock Beauchamp · July 31, 2017

There can't be many top international guys left, frankly. Unless they are going into Japan....

I suspect there will be backfilling of lesser guys with that money... which isn't a bad way to operate on the margins of the international market, as the bust rate is so high with those guys.

Mike Sixel · July 31, 2017

This likely won't be a very popular opinion, but the Twins gave up on this year for maybe five guys who:
a. probably don't rank in the top 15 in their organization and
b. probably don't rank in the top 300 in the minors and
c. likely will make little to no difference in their future?

That's what Littell, Enns, & Watson are, right? And given the reliever market (which we just saw for Kintzler), they certainly wouldn't have needed to give up much to add a couple of competent relievers.

I know it's been a tough week, but this was a mistake. I don't get why they wouldn't ride it and chance the 9% chance they hat making the playoffs. It feels like panic. What did we gain exactly for giving up?

I just wanted them to go one or the other, John. I would have loved to have gotten Gray somehow, and another RP, but that was never in the cards, I don't think.

I think they got some lottery tickets, which seems like a reasonable return, but yes, none of these guys are TOP prospects.

diehardtwinsfan · July 31, 2017

This likely won't be a very popular opinion, but the Twins gave up on this year for maybe five guys who:
a. probably don't rank in the top 15 in their organization and
b. probably don't rank in the top 300 in the minors and
c. likely will make little to no difference in their future?

That's what Littell, Enns, & Watson are, right? And given the reliever market (which we just saw for Kintzler), they certainly wouldn't have needed to give up much to add a couple of competent relievers.

I know it's been a tough week, but this was a mistake. I don't get why they wouldn't ride it and chance the 9% chance they hat making the playoffs. It feels like panic. What did we gain exactly for giving up?

I think you're being a bit hard on Littell personally, but this team needed more than competent relievers.

Now that said, I do hope that there is some sort of plan to add a competent starter and a competent reliever this offseason. They will have some nice depth of starting pitching in Rochester next year, but it would not be wise to roll the dice with a number of question marks to start the season.

Steve Lein · July 31, 2017

This likely won't be a very popular opinion, but the Twins gave up on this year for maybe five guys who:
a. probably don't rank in the top 15 in their organization and
b. probably don't rank in the top 300 in the minors and
c. likely will make little to no difference in their future?

That's what Littell, Enns, & Watson are, right? And given the reliever market (which we just saw for Kintzler), they certainly wouldn't have needed to give up much to add a couple of competent relievers.

I know it's been a tough week, but this was a mistake. I don't get why they wouldn't ride it and chance the 9% chance they hat making the playoffs. It feels like panic. What did we gain exactly for giving up?

Options for the near future.

I've been saying it leading up to this, despite them being in division race, their window for competing wasn't open yet (they had the 12th best record in baseball when they were "leading the division"). It closed in a hurry and they made the right type of moves that they could.

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