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    Nick Nelson

    The August 1st non-waiver trade deadline is only five days away. Here's a rundown of the relevant rumors and rumblings regarding the Minnesota Twins and interim general manager Rob Antony.

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    * Since dismissing Terry Ryan as GM, Twins ownership has made some remarks that I would generously refer to as "tone deaf." Antony, for his part, seems a bit more interested in saying the right things.

    During a Q&A with MLB.com's Rhett Bollinger this week (well worth reading), Antony suggested that he will "use advanced statistics as the first tool to evaluate players before relying on the club's scouts." He also talked about the prioritization of bulking up the analytics department.

    Whether this is lip service or an actual indication of Antony's evolution on the subject remains to be seen. But at least he recognizes the problematic perceptions of the front office regime under his predecessor, and is actively trying to draw a distinction.

    * Speaking of the general manager search, the Twins announced that they are hiring search firm Korn Ferry to assist with the process. It's good news, ensuring that the they plan to conduct a comprehensive search for their next baseball ops leader.

    Most recently, Korn Ferry assisted with the GM hirings of David Stearns by the Brewers and Ross Atkins by the Blue Jays.

    Stearns, 30, became the youngest general manager in the game when Milwaukee fished him away from Houston. For three years, he had been the right-hand man to Jeff Luhnow with the Astros, helping craft one of the league's most talented young rosters. It was a bold hire.

    In the case of the Blue Jays, Atkins beat out internal candidate Tony LaCava, the other finalist who had been serving in an interim capacity following the departure of Alex Anthopoulos. Atkins came over after spending 15 years in the Indians organization. It's hard to believe this choice wasn't heavily influenced by Toronto's new president Mark Shapiro, who was very familiar with Atkins having brought him up in Cleveland's front office.

    * Switching to trade rumblings, it sounds like the Twins won't trade Ervin Santana unless they're overwhelmed by an offer. Given the uncertainties surrounding Phil Hughes (health) and Ricky Nolasco (performance), that's a logical approach, if the team does indeed have aspirations of returning to contention in 2017.

    He threw nine good innings on Tuesday night against the worst lineup in ball, but Santana just isn't the kind of arm that's going to entice someone to give up a haul.

    * As for Nolasco, based on everything I've been hearing and reading, the front office would happily ship him to any willing recipient, but interest in the veteran right-hander is undoubtedly low. Nolasco's 5.40 ERA ranks as fifth-worst among qualified MLB starters, and he has tallied more walks than strikeouts this month. Even if the Twins are throwing in a wad of cash, why bother?

    * A source from a contending team told Mike Berardino that the Twins are in "listening mode--at best" on Kyle Gibson. That's probably the right mindset. Gibson is a fairly reliable rotation piece going forward and his value is depressed right now thanks to a poor start and a shoulder injury that cost him a chunk of the season. The righty quietly has posted a 3.03 ERA over his last five starts.

    * One club that may be expressing interest in Twins pitchers is Miami. In a column for the Boston Globe, Nick Cafardo wrote that the Marlins had scouts at Fenway last week to watch Nolasco and Tommy Milone.

    Both got shelled, but regardless of how they pitched in those outings, no one was going to form any illusions about either hittable hurler.

    * Buster Olney of ESPN tweeted on Tuesday that Eduardo Nunez is among options the first-place Indians have evaluated as they seek to bolster their offense. Presumably, they would install Nunez as their regular third baseman. Francisco Lindor and Jason Kipnis are holding down the middle infield, while Juan Uribe has done little to distinguish himself at the hot corner.

    This is one worth keeping an eye on.

    * Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports wrote last week that Minnesota's trade chips drawing the most attention are Nunez, Kurt Suzuki, Fernando Abad and Brandon Kintzler.

    This list isn't surprising, but sort of encapsulates why it's hard to get too jazzed up about this deadline period. The Twins have assets that are intriguing to contenders, but we're talking about a career bench player (prior to this year), a decent-at-best catcher, and a pair of relievers on minor-league contracts.

    The only opportunity that Antony has to make a major splash would be a shocking move involving, say, Brian Dozier or one of the kids he feels is expendable. But is the interim GM really going to uproot the long-term roster foundation, not to mention the clubhouse dynamic, by taking such a gamble? Hard to envision.

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      On 7/29/2016 at 4:42 PM, laloesch said:

    "highly unlikely"

     

    Why? I mean for a team looking to gamble on a low risk left handed starter whose arbitration eligible the next two years and not locked into a big contract.

    Because those same teams had a chance to take him for nothing a few weeks ago when we DFA'd him.

    Milone just isn't very good.

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      On 7/29/2016 at 4:47 PM, Mr. Brooks said:

    Because those same teams had a chance to take him for nothing a few weeks ago when we DFA'd him.
    Milone just isn't very good.

    Generally agreed, but it was a few months ago.  Milone is owed less than half of his already fairly modest salary as compared to when we waived him in early May.  I could see a team claiming him now after passing on him earlier, particularly once we get to August.

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      On 7/30/2016 at 1:29 AM, tobi0040 said:

    I am being told Kintzler is getting a lot of interest. The source has been reliable in the past.

    Lavelle was on with Barriero this afternoon and said he expected a Kintzler and/or Abad trade as soon as tonight

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      On 7/29/2016 at 4:42 PM, laloesch said:

    "highly unlikely" 

     

    Why?  I mean for a team looking to gamble on a low risk left handed starter whose arbitration eligible the next two years and not locked into a big contract. 

     

    If someone will give up something for Milone, I'm pretty much ready to get the deal done. Tommy could have been had for free a two months ago when he got DFAd.  I don't see how it is that someone will suddenly give up something of value to acquire his services... If they do, I'll be very happy to eat some crow here... I just don't see it happening.

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      On 7/30/2016 at 2:31 AM, alarp33 said:

    Lavelle was on with Barriero this afternoon and said he expected a Kintzler and/or Abad trade as soon as tonight

     

    I'd send both of these guys packing. Would make happy to see those reclamation projects flipped instead of being held on to. Plus, we have guys in Chargois and Melotakis who really need to just get some MLB innings as well as a guy in Hildenberger who is deserving of a promotion.

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      On 7/30/2016 at 12:32 PM, AM. said:

    Did Nolasco create a teeny-tiny glimmer of a market with his start last night? Eight shutout innings, plus a standard-issue lead-off homer?

    For those that still are holding a glimmer of hope, that start should give them more

     

    No glimmer here though

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      On 7/30/2016 at 12:32 PM, AM. said:

    Did Nolasco create a teeny-tiny glimmer of a market with his start last night? Eight shutout innings, plus a standard-issue lead-off homer?

     

    Think he'll need one or two more solid outings to generate much desire.  He will easily clear waivers due to his contract.  If not, thank you to whoever claims him.  I suspect if the Twins are able to move him, they will eat at least half of the remaining salary (which they would gladly do.)

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    With Norris and Lucroy in the market, will there be an offer for Suzuki?

     

    The demand for pitching will generate offers on Kintzler, Abad and Santana. They should take the best return offered on those three. I am not as sure the demand at catcher will generate an offer for Suzuki.

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      On 7/30/2016 at 4:03 PM, jorgenswest said:

    With Norris and Lucroy in the market, will there be an offer for Suzuki?

     

    The demand for pitching will generate offers on Kintzler, Abad and Santana. They should take the best return offered on those three. I am not as sure the demand at catcher will generate an offer for Suzuki.

    It depends what the asking price is.

    Those guys are better, no doubt, but it also means they have a higher price. Someone might find Suzuki to be a better value.

    Herrmann and Butera had value, and that means almost any catcher has value.

    Nobody is picking up that option at that price, so trade him for what you can get, and bring him back next year if need be.

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    #Twins are shopping Ricky Nolasco, Tommy Milone and Fernando Abad at deadline. No big return hauls there.

     

     

    Nolascos start yesterday couldn't have gone better. Hopefully someone will bite.

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      On 7/30/2016 at 5:54 PM, King said:

    Jerry CrasnickVerified account
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    #Twins are shopping Ricky Nolasco, Tommy Milone and Fernando Abad at deadline. No big return hauls there.

     

     

    Nolascos start yesterday couldn't have gone better. Hopefully someone will bite.

     

     

    I would be absolutely thrilled if the Twins unloaded Nolasco and Milone.  That would be AWESOME!  If they do this and hang onto Santana that would be acceptable.  Ridding ourselves of Nolasco and Milone would mean Berrios would get a callup for sure and would likely finish the season in the majors.   The next logical move would be to send May down to AAA to stretch him out.  In the meantime they could callup Dean and or Wheeler to fill the void.  The next big question is Duffey.  

     

    Santana

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    Duffey

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    May, Dean, Wheeler, Mejia

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    I still feel there is a NL team out there that may bite on Nolasco. I disagree that Milone doesn't have at least a slight possibility of being traded, though it probably won't be until August gets here. Yes he was passed over on waivers earlier in the year, but he's pitched better since his recall, as he did last year. Thereturn would probably be very small, but he's experiencdd, left handed and breathing. He could probably help someone on the back end.

     

    Hope Abad and Kinzler both go. But I'm still in favor of keeping Santana for next season. Or at least, until the off season and our new GM takes a look at the team and market and makes a decision otherwise. (Same with Dozier)

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      On 7/31/2016 at 2:58 AM, DocBauer said:

    I still feel there is a NL team out there that may bite on Nolasco. I disagree that Milone doesn't have at least a slight possibility of being traded, though it probably won't be until August gets here. Yes he was passed over on waivers earlier in the year, but he's pitched better since his recall, as he did last year. Thereturn would probably be very small, but he's experiencdd, left handed and breathing. He could probably help someone on the back end.

     

    Hope Abad and Kinzler both go. But I'm still in favor of keeping Santana for next season. Or at least, until the off season and our new GM takes a look at the team and market and makes a decision otherwise. (Same with Dozier)

    Doc,

     

    I don't mean to criticize. But I hear this one a lot for Nolasco. Some NL team could take him. Isn't the reality that any pitcher that goes from AL to NL will benefit?

     

    The numbers show he was the worst in the league by ERA over the last two and a half years. So any other pitcher moving to the NL will be better than Ricky.

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/07/31/jonathan-lucroy-trade-indians-brewers/87865486/

     

    Lucroy to the Tribe. That is, if he approves. It looks like not an awesome return if the main listed prospect is about  the number 9 in the Indian minor league rankings      Suzuki is probably going to stay unless Antony decides Norris might come cheap.based on the Lucroy trade

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    well, they got four players in that deal, so I'm guessing there's some upside there. Sets the market on Suzuki a bit. Probably won't see a top 100 (though for some reason I thought one of those guys was one), but perhaps a couple higher ceiling A ball guys. Not necessarily a bad get.

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      On 7/31/2016 at 3:37 AM, tobi0040 said:

    Doc,

    I don't mean to criticize. But I hear this one a lot for Nolasco. Some NL team could take him. Isn't the reality that any pitcher that goes from AL to NL will benefit?

    The numbers show he was the worst in the league by ERA over the last two and a half years. So any other pitcher moving to the NL will be better than Ricky.

     

    I'm with you Tobi, I don't buy the "get an NL team to bite." yeah, the NL can drop your ERA by a half a run, which might make Nolasco a bit more serviceable in the NL, but hardly one worth giving up a lot. If the Twins got something for him, or quite frankly just managed to get rid of the contract for nothing, I would be pretty happy.

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    McCann and Norris are still in the supply with Suzuki. I don't know if the demand is large enough.

     

    Suzuki's framing and throwing probably make him more difficult to deal to a team looking for a number 1 catcher. The offensive numbers are nice and over three years above average relative to catchers.

     

    I would take the best offer which might be a player closer to 500 than 100.

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      On 7/31/2016 at 3:37 AM, tobi0040 said:

    Doc,

    I don't mean to criticize. But I hear this one a lot for Nolasco. Some NL team could take him. Isn't the reality that any pitcher that goes from AL to NL will benefit?

    The numbers show he was the worst in the league by ERA over the last two and a half years. So any other pitcher moving to the NL will be better than Ricky.

    Not being critical at all. And you're right that anyone moving to the NL has an easier time and would see their numbers lower. Nolasco, on even a little bit, can eat some innings and help fill someone's last spot or two. I suggest the NL as being logical since the teams there are more familiar with Nolasco, and he's spent his entire career there other than the Twins. It seems a natural fit to me for someone.

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      On 7/31/2016 at 11:27 AM, The Wise One said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/07/31/jonathan-lucroy-trade-indians-brewers/87865486/

     

    Lucroy to the Tribe. That is, if he approves. It looks like not an awesome return if the main listed prospect is about the number 9 in the Indian minor league rankings Suzuki is probably going to stay unless Antony decides Norris might come cheap.based on the Lucroy trade

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/jonathan-luroy-no-trade-indians-brewers.html

     

    Lucroy exercised his no trade. Suzuki could be a much cheaper fall back option

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      On 7/31/2016 at 3:24 PM, Sconnie said:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/jonathan-luroy-no-trade-indians-brewers.html

     

    Lucroy exercised his no trade. Suzuki could be a much cheaper fall back option

    That is wild. Can't remember every hearing of that happen before.

     

    And here I was thinking now that Lucroy was off the market, Suzuki would be able to be moved.

     

    I suppose that Suzuki to the Indians would work.

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    So Francisco Mejia (top 100 Cleveland catching prospect) was the headliner in the Lucroy deal along with three other prospects who I don't believe were on any top 100 lists.  Mejia is putting together a nice season in high A, so not the short term answer if the Twins want more C help now, but is a very nice prospect. 

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