Twins to Sign RHP Chris Archer to One-Year Deal

At this point, it's better than nothing. My only worry is that this is the final move -- I'm still holding out hope for a top-tier starter via trade. But I wonder if teams are asking for the moon to part with their quality SP (aka Arraez, Martin, and Winder, or some similar package, for Montas). 

I guess now we can wait on trading for Montas and not be taken on a deal.  Also we can always trade later if need be.  I am not a fan of this move as it doesn’t look like a win now move. 

Can't say I am overly excited but I guess they needed to do something.  I think this is what most of us thought would happen when Oakland didn't make a deal with anyone.  Unless he has some success this feels like a place holder for the pitchers at AAA to prove which one gets the first shot at a rotation role.

I thought that this was what the Bundy signing was. Pretty big failure to address the rotation when all it costed in November was $$

Someone is going to have to get cut from the 40-man. Vallimont?

6 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Sounds like the A’s are holding onto Montas until the trade deadline. Manaea could be had now but as a 1 year rental for a haul of prospects, I can see why a deal hasn’t been made. 

I think Beane can do well hanging onto Montas and Manea until the deadline.  Still there is risk there.  If one or both get hurt or don't have a good first half he will have lost a ton of value for both players.  He does have the advantage of that Oakland park suppressing home runs but still he could end up getting nothing in the end.  Will be interesting to see how it turns out.

Just now, USAFChief said:

Worth a shot. 

Yup. Unless he stinks and they hold onto him and keep running him out there like Shoemaker.

Assume he is slated into the #5 spot.  When is the first game they need the fifth guy?  Can’t believe he will be ready before late April.  

Higher upside than Shoemaker.  Probably hoping to get 12 starts out of him

Suboptimal move for sure, but Archer has known some legit success. Can he approach that level again - doubtful. Given his experience can he outperform for some part of the season most of the young, perceived to be talented prospects awaiting their shot - possibly.

The Twins aren't necessarily finished making moves if the FO stays focused on improving the team, which I think they may well do.

2 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Thorpe will resurface somewhere. He’s left handed and breathing, after all. 

Hopefully he helps St. Paul. But how bad is he viewed throughout MLB if he already cleared waivers and was outrighted?

hope they've kicked the tires & gotten good medical reports . . . in the absence of that, it's a "the plan is to win the lottery" move.

27 minutes ago, GKuehl said:

At this point, it's better than nothing. My only worry is that this is the final move -- I'm still holding out hope for a top-tier starter via trade. But I wonder if teams are asking for the moon to part with their quality SP (aka Arraez, Martin, and Winder, or some similar package, for Montas). 

There will be plenty of arms available at the deadline (think A's,O's,Red's,Marlins); this buys time to get there, to get our upper minor arms ready, and for those arms to rebuild value in anticipation of trade.  

But this will be it for the offseason.

To this point, the FO has mortgaged basically none of its future to put together this roster.  I'm cool with that, but still think this canNOT be the final move.  The trade DEADLINE is July 30....let's hope there is a trade before then.  If the A's are asking the moon for Montas and plan to wait til the deadline, then I'd like to see the FO move on to another option...I've been on the Alcantara wagon for a long time...

7 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Thorpe remains in the org but off the 40 man. 

I thought he was out of options. Didn't he have to clear waivers?

Oakland is squeezing the market. It may pay off. Bassitt is better than Manaea and Oakland should have been fine with a Sands, Strotman, Rooker deal. On the other hand, the Twins may not be willing to go that high for Manaea. I really like Montas, but he does not have the pedigree of a Berrios or even a Gray. Montas has good stuff and one year of success. I was/am hoping for Montas but a package equal to Berrios would be just wrong. 

I like it in the sense that we now have at least some cover if Bundy, Ober or Ryan flame out early. Sounds like Winder starts the season in AAA and is the first call up in the case of injury or ineffectiveness.  Prevents us from having to have 3 guys who are basically rookies in the top 5. There will be plenty of opportunities for Winder, Balazovic and Duran this season with innings limitations, ineffectiveness, and injury. Those 3 can start out in AAA and sort themselves out in order in the Minors.

Besides, there is some potential upside here. Archer is 3 years away from being an effective MLB starter, with 2018 the last last decent year. He lost most of 2019 to a shoulder injury, and then part of 2020 and all of 2021 to a hip injury (likely because he changed his motion due to the shoulder issue). IF that's now all ok, a big IF, maybe he rebounds to a 3.75-4.25 ERA, 130-150 IP performance like he used to have before the injury. Not great, but plenty good enough for a #5 starter.   

Does anyone think the rotation as is can get us to the trade deadline in contention?

3 minutes ago, HerbieFan said:

.I've been on the Alcantara wagon for a long time...

I hoped against all hope that the Twins could pry Alcantara away from the Marlins in November of 2020. Miami signed him to a favorable contract. He would cost the about farm right now: Lewis, Kirilloff, Martin, and Balazovic. That is a no and the Marlins are going to hold tight to their young pitching.

1 minute ago, Sam Morley said:

Does anyone think the rotation as is can get us to the trade deadline in contention?

As long as you're not benching the lineup, yes.  Prior to this move, prediction sites have us as a competitive team.