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    Seth Stohs

    Over the past five years, the Minnesota Vikings have had two "Minneapolis Miracles." In a playoff game against the Saints, a Case Keenum to Stefon Diggs play turned into one of the craziest game endings in NFL history. Then on Saturday, the Vikings fell behind 33-0  after halftime and used another miracle to win 39-36 in overtime, the biggest comeback in NFL history. 

    Now it's the Twins turn. At this point, the team needs a miracle to turn around what has been an incredibly disappointing first half of the offseason. 

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    On Saturday, the Minnesota Vikings fell behind the Indianapolis Colts, 33-0 at halftime. The team was frankly very bad in all aspects of the game. The defense bent and broke. Special teams allowed a blocked punt and a few long returns. The offense didn't get much going at all, and when they did, it ended in either a fumble, or a wide receiver just stopping a route that led to an interception. It was really, really bad. 

    Twins fans, does this sound familiar? The first half of the Twins offseason has not been good for the Twins or its fans. Let me count the ways: 

    • Carlos Correa and Scott Boras did a great job of maximizing his value over the course of the offseason. The Twins felt really good about their chances of signing the All Star shortstop. Last Monday, there were reports that he was starting to tell people he was heading to Minnesota. Then on Tuesday, the Giants offered 13 years and $350 million, and he signed. We can't know everything that went on behind the scenes, of course, but no question the front office had to be disappointed. Many fans are still going through the coping process
    • Before Correa signed, one fallback plan, Xander Bogaerts, signed with the Padres for 11 years and $180 million. That came a few days after Trea Turner signed an 11 year, $300 million deal. Those contracts, of course, bumped out the value of a Correa contract. 
    • It also bumped up the value of the Twins remaining fallback option for an impact shortstop. While the Twins had several conversations over the past week with Dansby Swanson, the former Vanderbilt Commodore and Atlanta Braves star, he ultimately signed this weekend with the Chicago Cubs. 
    • While Kyle Farmer is a solid MLB player and shortstop, he probably won't set a lot of tickets. 
    • Obviously the Twins weren't going to be involved in negotiations with free agent starting pitchers Jacob deGrom, Justin VerlanderClayton Kershaw, Adam Wainwright, but for whatever reason, they were involved in negotiations with Carlos Rodon and his agent, Scott Boras. As we know, Boras used the contracts of those big deals, specifically the deGrom deal, to request seven years and up to $30 million. While the Twins and Cardinals stayed involved in discussions, the lefty signed with the Yankees for six years and $162 million. 
    • And again, while those conversations were happening, the Twins saw the likes of Chris Bassitt signed with the Blue Jays (3 years, $63 million). Others who signed that would have fit the Twins goal of acquiring pitchers that are at least as good as Sonny GrayJameson Taillon (Cubs, 4 years, $68 million), Taijuan Walker (Phillies, 4 years, $72 million), Jose Quintana (Mets, 2 years, $26 million), Andrew Heaney (Rangers, 2 years, $25 million), Sean Manaea (Giants, 2 years, $25 million), Zach Eflin (Rays, 3 years, $40 million), Ross Stripling (Giants, 2 years, $24 million), 
    • At this time, there is literally one remaining free agent starting pitcher that could be argued would be the Twins top starter. That's Nathan Eovaldi, who throws gas and can be very good, but he hasn't been a beacon of health himself. 
    • And to make matters worse for Twins fans, reports have come out over the past couple of weeks that the Twins would certainly consider trading Luis Arraez to acquire pitching. No matter how good the pitcher the Twins got, losing Arraez would be painful for a lot of fan. 
    • Another fan favorite, at times, has been Max Kepler, and his name has bounced around in trade rumors. As with Arraez, there may be good reason to look to deal Kepler, but many fans will be greatly disappointed. 
    • On Friday afternoon, it was announced that the Twins had a deal with outfielder Joey Gallo for one year and $11 million. As @Nick Nelson noted this weekend, Gallo hit Rock Bottom in 2022 (I know, I know... at least he made contact! <rimshot>) when he hit just .160 between the Yankees and Dodgers. However, in 2021, between the Rangers and Yankees, he hit .199/.351/.458 (.808) with 38 home runs, and that's even after he really struggled over the final two months if New York. Gallo was an All Star in 2019 and 2021. He won Gold Glove Awards in 2020 and 2021. He's one year removed from a very nice season. However, because of a terrible 2022, the low batting average and the massive strikeout count, it isn't a signing that makes many Twins fans happy. 
    • And, in an article about Twins options following Correa's signing with the Giants. The Athletic's Dan Hayes mentioned several options for how the Twins offseason could go. One of the ideas was to take a step back by trading some veterans for prospects, essentially throwing the towel on the 2023 season, and hoping to compete again in 2024. While it is unlikely, it certainly isn't something any Twins fan wants to hear.  

    To be fair, the Twins did get their top choice at catcher when Christian Vazquez signed last week to team with Ryan Jeffers. They didn't lose anyone in the MLB Rule 5 draft. They moved from #13 to #5 in the 2023 draft thanks to MLB's first draft lottery. 

    Back to the Vikings... Down 33-0 coming into the second half, the team was incredible and almost inexplicably mounted the biggest comeback in NFL history and won 39-36 in overtime.  It was a second Minneapolis Miracle. Kirk Cousins use all of his weapons (Justin Jefferson, KJ Osborn, Adam Thielen, TJ Hockenson, Dalvin Cook) to throw for over 400 yards. The defense actually got aggressive and got pressure on Matt Ryan. They also stopped the run. And sure, a little luck was involved, but that's OK. Huge win, and it clinched the NFC North division title. 

    The Twins offseason is just a little over two months in, and spring training will start in about two more months (and the WBC, if you're into that). This is about halftime of baseball's offseason. Right now, the Twins offseason has been rough. 33-0 rough? I would say more like 31-7 rough, but that's probably just semantics. It has not been good for Twins fans. And as @Melissa Berman wrote last week, it might just be difficult to get fans back into the seats at Target Field if this continues. 

    However, since Derek Falvey and Thad Levine have been in charge of the Twins Baseball Operations group, halftime is often when they really start moving and shaking. We have seen them make deals in late January, throughout February, and even after spring training has started. Whatever we have guessed their budget might be (and this year, it should be somewhere between about $140-$155 million), they have managed to hit that number. 

    They are smart guys. Certainly they had contingency plans for if Carlos Correa signed elsewhere. And certainly Plan B options have been lost too. However, there is time, so don't give up completely on the offseason. 

    Aside from Eovaldi, free agency will likely not be the means to quality acquisition. Instead of just giving up money for players to sign, they will now have to trade players to acquire players. Can they trade for a quality starting pitcher, like Pablo Reyes from the Marlins, or one of the Brewers aces? Speaking of the Brewers, could Willy Adames be available? It's really hard to know which players are available, or how that will change over the course of the coming month or two.  (For more on Willy Adames, Corbin Burnes, Christian Yelich, Brandon Woodruff, Gus Varland, William Contreras, and the Brewers, check out Brewer Fanatic.) 

    The Minnesota Twins will need another Minnesota Miracle to turn around what has been a rough offseason so far for the team. In a market that includes teams from all four major professional sports leagues, a soccer team, a Big 10 school (U of Minnesota) and a second Division I college in St. Thomas, dollars can only be spent in so many places. And with half of the market or more unable to watch the Twins on TV, they need to find ways to compete. 

    Ultimately, it will be Winning that brings fans to the stadium. That is always the case. Sure, when a player of the caliber of Carlos Correa signs, some season tickets are sold, but sustained winning is what keeps fans coming back. Whether fans are excited about the offseason, what matters most is what happens on the field in the season. 

     

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    3 hours ago, roger said:

    Got a question as I haven't dealt with multi-state tax returns for several decades.  In some states it used to be you filed and paid your tax in the other states.  Then you filed in your home state and paid tax on your entire income at their rate, but received a credit for the dollars paid to the other states.  So yes, it is complicated.  Maybe there are some tax guys on TD today that can clarify if this is still done and if so, in California?

    That's correct, IIRC......

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    3 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

    Also Boras will most certainly be getting a percentage of the additional 65 million, so that further depletes Carlos' share that goes into his pocket. Plus the SF deal was for a longer period of time and we all know money today is worth more than the same amount of money tomorrow. 

    Boros was getting the same percentage from any contract. Not a factor.

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    It's not halftime, the game is over. The FO can try to salvage this offseason and bring in talent via trade, but that will require parting with talent at the major league level, or from an already thin farm. There's no winning when you had ample $$ and passed on spending any of it on impact, or even solidly above average players. A team that claims to rely so heavily on developing talent continues to put themselves in a position where they have to trade prospects just to plug holes and tread water at the ML level. Make that make sense....

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    7 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

    He didn’t sign because he & Boras can do math, and it wasn’t near the highest offer….$80 million light. I think it’s great we didn’t sign him!

    $$ for RP…..$$ to re-sign Gray - Mahle - Maeda after May’s results……SIGN EOVALDI!

    Why sign Eovaldi?  He averaged just over 5 innings per his 20 starts this past season. He turned down a qualifying offer. How much money should the Twins pay him per year in addition to surrendering a draft pick for signing him?  I hope the Twins do not sign him. He is not likely to markedly improve the team. 

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    1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

    No doubt, but the Vikings seem to end up drafting more star players compared to the rest of their competitors than the Twins do compared to theirs.

    True, Nick.

    But it is a heck of a lot easier to draft a stud in football when they are 22 years old and you have watched them play for three or four years of college.  Compare that with drafting high school kids or even college, which is so inferior to the big leagues.

    Most here probably aren't even aware but the first game late every summer was the college all-star team versus was it last year's champ?  And some of those were very competitive games.  Don't recall if the college kids ever won, but I am guessing they had a couple W's along the way.

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    25 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

    Boros was getting the same percentage from any contract. Not a factor.

    Yes it is a factor, he gets x%, is it 4%, of the extra $65M, thus reducing the difference.  Although the good news is that should be tax deductible.  OK tax guys, under this newest code is it?  

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    1 minute ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

    I did not realize that I assumed Boras charged a percentage of his client's contracts. My mistake. I apologize.

    No, I mean he gets his (3% I think) on the entire contract. So he would have taken the same percentage from the Twins offer as the Giants. Correa will lose 3% of the extra $65m he got from the Giants, but that's better than not getting the extra $65m at all. 

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    3 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

    I did not realize that I assumed Boras charged a percentage of his client's contracts. My mistake. I apologize.

    Wait a minute. I just read a Forbes magazine article which said Boras got 5% of his clients' contracts. What do you base your statement that Boras had a flat rate or that Boras did not make more money by getting Correa  $350,000,000 than Boras would have made ig Correa had signed for $285,000,000?

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    1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

    No, I mean he gets his (3% I think) on the entire contract. So he would have taken the same percentage from the Twins offer as the Giants. Correa will lose 3% of the extra $65m he got from the Giants, but that's better than not getting the extra $65m at all. 

    5 % of $65,000,000 is $3,250,000. That is how much more Boras apparently got by Correa signing for $350,000,000 instead of $285,000,000. 

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    7 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

    Wait a minute. I just read a Forbes magazine article which said Boras got 5% of his clients' contracts. What do you base your statement that Boras had a flat rate or that Boras did not make more money by getting Correa  $350,000,000 than Boras would have made ig Correa had signed for $285,000,000?

    I did not say flat rate.

     

    I said the agent fee isn't a factor in which contract is worth more to Correa. Boros gets the same percentage rate no matter the contract. 5% on the $280m the Twins offered, 5% on the $350m.

     

    Arguing Correa lost more in agent fees by getting a richer contract is the equivalent of saying he should have signed a one year contract at the MLB minimum. He'd save a ton of agent fees that way. 

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    2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

    I did not say that. 

     

    I said the agent fee isn't a factor in which contract is worth more.

    It's OK. We're still good Chief. I admit I am shooting from the hip and am just really frustrated with the way this off season has gone for the Twins, except I'm pleased about Vasquez. Besides that, I really appreciate anyone who served in the USAF. 

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    I don't think the Twins need a miracle, unless you consider good health to be a miracle. Perhaps it is. I think Gallo was signed as an insurance policy in case one of Larnach, Kirilloff or Buxton are not ready in the spring. They may not be and the team will need some punch in the lineup. If everything works out well, maybe they can trade Gallo next July.

    I would  work to sign Gray, Maeda or Mahli to extensions now. If they won't sign, I would seriously consider trading them before the next trading deadline. I would expect Mahli to get the larger extension due to age and ability. If we can't sign any of the top starters this off season, no reason to believe we can or will next off season.

    I was never a Correa fan, so I an fine with Farmer playing SS until we have an internal replacement available. His numbers at ss both last season and career wise look pretty good. I am not sure why people are so down on him.

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    I'm not upset by Correa being gone. With him we are not playoff ready. Time to put faith in the pipeline which is far more entertaining than assuring we are a competitive team with wildcard hopes.

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    When I get lost in travels and take the wrong road,  most times I go back and find the correct route.  It looks like the Twins FO needs to do the same....You know the ol' GIGO theory.

     

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    I would say everyone here cares about this team or we wouldn't be giving our undying opinions of how bad this team is run. I was not in the majority here that we should sign Correa. He didn't lead the Twins in any offensive catagory in 2022 which I feel a player demanding a superstar contract should be able to do. I'm glad they didn't sign him, however, as many here have suggested, once the FO saw what the other top FA were signing for they should have went to Plan B immediately and went after some of the other 2nd tier FA's that could have improved this team before they too were picked over. How well has their Plan of signing left-overs gone the past couple of years? How often do you have to be punched in the face before you change Plan A that doesn't work? Unless there is more tied to the Gallo signing that we don't know about how worthless is that signing when he is a Sano/Kepler clone? They were 2 of the biggest holes in the lineup the last 2 years and we have a Manager that slotted them into the middle of the lineup where they proved to be more inept than a NIck Gordon/utility player? It seriously looks to me like the fans need to completely stop going to Target Field to send a bigger message. Evidently the FO and Dave St Peter didn't get enough of it yet from the lower attendance in 2022. 

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