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    Seth Stohs

    For the past week, Nick and I have taken turns reviewing the players that the Twins could look to acquiring in trades from the various divisions. When that series of articles began, the team was just a ½ game out of first place. As the series came to a conclusion yesterday with a look at the American League East division, the Twins found themselves nearly six games out and four games out of a wild card spot.

    At this point, the strategy has likely changed. Instead of being buys, the Twins are taking calls from teams to find out which players the Twins might be willing to “sell” by Monday afternoon’s trade deadline.

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    As I’ve done in past years when the trade deadline approached and the Twins were (more clearly) sellers, I reviewed players in the Twins organization who could be dealt for something and gave a percent-likelihood that the player gets traded.

    WHO IS SAFE (probably)?

    Before digging into which players have at least some chance of being traded, it’s probably a good idea to consider which players will not be traded, for whatever reason. While the percent-likelihood that they are dealt may not be 0.00%, it is like 0.001% or similar.

    • Joe Mauer will not be traded. He has a no-trade clause in his contract, and he became a 10-5 guy a long time ago.
    • Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, Max Kepler - Young, high-ceiling hitters who are yet to reach their primes are immensely valuable. They each will make the league’s minimum at least one more year.
    • Jose Berrios, Adalberto Mejia - See the previous list and substitute the word “pitchers” for “hitters.”
    • Glen Perkins, Phil Hughes, Ryan O’Rourke, Trevor May - These are 60-day DL guys. While there would be teams interested in Trevor May if he was made available, it would be very unlikely the Twins would trade him when they likely have high hopes for him in 2018, and beyond.
    • Bartolo Colon, Hector Santiago - These guys are closer to being DFAd than to being traded.

    TRADE CANDIDATES

    First and foremost, this list is intended for entertainment purposes only. Twins Daily does not recommend or encourage making wagers on trade deadline activities. These percentages are simply educated guesses designed to create discussion.

    Brandon Kintzler - RHP (75%) - Brought in on a minor league contract following an injury-plagued 2015 season, Kintzler began in Rochester, was called up a month later, was the team’s closer a month or so later, and in 2017, he became an All-Star. He has been remarkably reliable. However, he is at the end of his contract and will be a free agent following the season. His ability to close, or work in tough situations in the seventh or eighth inning could make him valuable to any playoff-contending team. Another All-Star who is an impending free agent at season’s end, Pat Neshek, went to the Rockies for three minor leaguers (none were Top 15 prospect types). Since Kintzler is a little younger, the Twins might be able to get slightly more return for Kintzler.

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    Jaime Garcia - LHP (55%) - When the Twins acquired him on Monday, they were buying, just 2.5 games out of first place, and even closer in the wild card. Now the team may be a seller, and he has yet to make his first start for the organization. The Twins gave up 19-year-old Huascar Ynoa for Garcia with a willingness to eat much of Garcia’s remaining contract. The Twins could look to trade Garcia, continue paying him at least some of his remaining money ($4.5 million or so), and get a higher-ranking prospect in return.

    Ervin Santana - RHP (40%) - Santana may be a bit older, but he’s on a friendly contract for 2018 with an option for 2019. In other words, he’s far from a rental. A team could keep him for nearly 2 ½ years if things go well. Santana was great in April and May. He hasn’t been particularly strong in June and July, but he’s a veteran that most teams would be happy to see starting for them in the playoffs. The Rangers are in about the same situation and they’ve made Yu Darvish available, so the Twins would be wise to at least make Santana available and see what offers role in. He could be a backup plan to Darvish or Sonny Gray for the Yankees and Dodgers, while he makes a ton of sense for the Astros.

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    Eduardo Escobar - UT (37.5%) - This name might surprise many reading, but it does make a lot of sense. Escobar is beloved in the clubhouse, but if the Twins were to offer him arbitration this coming offseason, he is likely to make $4 million or more. That’s a lot for a utility guy. Now, if he plays as much and as well as he has in 2017 next year, he’d be more than worth it. But with Dozier, Polanco and maybe Nick Gordon and/or Engelb Vielma in the picture in the middle infield, and Ehire Adrianza fully capable of being a solid utility infielder for $3 million less, dealing Escobar while he’s playing so well may make a lot of sense. They could get a similar haul to what the Giants got for Eduardo Nunez this week.

    Chris Gimenez - C (35%) - Gimenez clearly has a ton of respect in the game, particularly for his charisma and leadership skills. On field, he hasn’t been particularly good, but teams love adding guys like this down the stretch. The Twins wouldn’t get much, maybe even just some cash and a low level prospect, but I can see teams asking for him. It would allow Mitch Garver to be up for the final two months of the season as well.

    Matt Belisle - RHP (30%) - Belisle’s overall numbers do not look good because of a handful of really bad outings, but he has been really good the last two months. He’s given up just one earned run in his last 16 outings (18.2 innings). The return won’t be real high, but he can be a solid 5th or 6th bullpen option for a good team.

    Robbie Grossman - DH (20%) - Grossman was yet another strong minor league deal for Terry Ryan last year. Since joining the Twins, he has been a very productive hitter, primarily for his on-base skills, but he’s provided occasional pop too. He isn’t ideal to have in the outfield defensively, but there could be a team looking for a bench bat who could provide some versatility. He will be arbitration-eligible this offseason, and if he stays with the Twins, it would be an obvious choice to offer it to.

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    Kyle Gibson - RHP (17.5%) - The right-hander was the Twins pitcher of the year in 2015, but the last two years have been a struggle for him. He had one of his best starts of the year on Saturday, and by Tuesday, he was sent to Rochester where he pitched well on Thursday night. In his second run at arbitration this offseason, Gibson could make a raise, potentially getting $4.5-5 million. The Twins likely would not pick that up, but Gibson’s got enough pedigree that there could be a team out there that thinks they know how to turn things around for the right-hander. And they may be right. For some reason, he seems like a perfect fit with the Cardinals.

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    (One of) ByungHo Park/Kennys Vargas - DH (15%) - While teams likely won’t come to the Twins asking about these AAA (maybe AAAA) DH/1B, the Twins could go to teams looking for a bench bat, backup 1B/DH type in an attempt to drop one of them. Maybe they can find a taker. I thought Tampa made a lot of sense for Park since Logan Morrison and now Lucas Duda both bat left-handed.

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    Eddie Rosario - OF (12.5%) - Rosario has arguably been the Twins best hitter the last six weeks, so this would be a case of trying to sell high on Rosario. The decision to make him available would likely be based on the front office’s willingness to believe that Rosario’s improved plate discipline and walk rate over the last couple of months is sustainable.

    Brian Dozier - 2B (10%) - There will be teams that will inquire about the availability of Dozier. Clearly the Twins were wise to not deal him straight-up for Jose Deleon. However, to this point Dozier has returned to a level at or slightly above his 2014 and 2015 numbers, as opposed to his historic performance in 2016. That’s still a valuable player, but the Twins will (and should) ask for more than teams are likely willing to offer. There are a lot of quality second basemen in baseball, and one of them, Ian Kinsler, is very likely to be traded which means there may not be a lot of teams in need of a second baseman. The Twins will happily keep him unless overwhelmed.

    Ryan Pressly - RHP (5%) - Teams could or should watch Pressly and see the 96-98 mph fastball, and see that sharp breaking ball, and realize that he’s got some great stuff. Pitching coaches and coordinators likely believe that they can provide said pitcher with that little piece that he’s missing to turn things around. Pressly’s got stuff to be a great late-inning reliever, and he’ll probably get there some day. The Twins would be wise to hang on to him, especially since he can be optioned still this year. No need to sell low.

    Taylor Rogers - LHP (2.5%) - Although I think Rogers could be part of a strong bullpen for the Twins for years ahead, I am including his name here. When I look at what the Marlins got for reliever David Phelps (who is similar, though right-handed, and older), I’d be incredibly curious what other teams might offer for a left-hander like Rogers who has been great for the Twins until the last few games. Unlikely to be dealt, but if a team is willing to give up three or four minor leaguers for him, I’d be curious.

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    It’s fun to guess what the team will do, but we still don’t know to what level the front office views this team. Sellers? Sellers only if overwhelmed? Buyers for long-term, high-talent assets? A combination of all of the above.

    There may be some surprises in the list above, and by Monday, there could be other surprises, maybe some minor leaguers. It will be as interesting a trade deadline as we have seen in recent years. There could be five moves, or they could do nothing, and a case could be made for both strategies. At the end of the day, each trade (made or not made) would have to be judged on its own merit.

    So, what do you think? Do you agree or disagree with the list above or any of the percentages? As a reminder, it’s important to remember that several of these player trades may make more sense in August rather than the July deadline.

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    I'm not 100% sold on Garver being ready for that. I know he's a darling of TD but he may have some adjusting to do going up to the bigs. In my mind, if he demands playing time, Danny Valencia is super easy to trade.

     

    I also think that with Castro at C and no real DH option, there's plenty of space for Garver to get time without making him a 1B platoon. I worry that if he struggles, we'll see Mauer playing every day and that's not ideal.

     

    I can't imagine what Valencia does in the other 100+ games he's not playing at 1B. He's  not good. I'm not super interested in a guy that can only play 1/3 of the games, max, who doesn't catch. He really ties up the 25 man. 

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    Seth hit this earlier, but why couldn't Garver be a platoon with Mauer while playing catcher or OF on the days Mauer's at 1B?

     

    If you're going to have Garver playing against LHP, you want him catching instead of Castro, not playing first in place of Mauer. You still would ideally have a 1B platoon partner. That isn't Garver unless you give up on him catching.

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    Garver = Granite? No way.

     

    Up until last year Granite wasn't on anyone's radar. He was (and basically still is) a light-hitting speedster with a good glove at best. Did he ever crack the TD Top 20 prospects before this season? He's obviously not a bad player, but also has never had the potential of Garver.

     

    Garver has been a steady performer since he was drafted, putting up good numbers with the bat, showing well in the AFL (twice), and improving defensively to the point defense-superstar Stuart Turner was made available and lost. Throw in the fact Garver doesn't have a Buxton-type guy blocking his spot on the big league roster, and yeah, the comparison with Granite has no merit.

     

    And no one is comparing Garver to Buxton in terms of pure talent or ceiling, but he's much closer to that level of prospect than to what Granite is.

    I don't know. Not saying it's flawless, but the recent mlb.com update had Garver at 21 and Granite at 24 in the system.

     

    This is overstating what Garver is going to bring.

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    I can't imagine what Valencia does in the other 100+ games he's not playing at 1B. He's  not good. I'm not super interested in a guy that can only play 1/3 of the games, max, who doesn't catch. He really ties up the 25 man. 

     

    First of all, Danny Valencia has played OF in the MLB level and is likely equal to Garver out there. He also can play 3B at least adequately. He's by no means a Vargas or a Byung Ho who can only DH/1B. The other 100 games Valencia is a backup infielder and pinch hitter.

     

    Mauer and Castro both being LH really crimps the "Garver for backup 1B" mantra. Garver can't be the platoon for both of them. If Castro were RH, I would agree with you 100%. Garver could catch against righties and play 1B against lefties. But that's not reality. You need someone else because Garver should be catching vs. any LHP. That could be Valencia if Vargas/Byung Ho are not in your plans.

     

    You're wrong when you say Danny Valencia isn't good. He isn't a complete player but he does one thing very well that is valuable - mash LHP. Career OPS .872. I think people here are blanching at Valencia because of his name and their prior experience with him.

    Also, consider me on team Danny in this interaction. That's pretty crappy of Billy Butler. Also hilarious that guys who knew Butler a long time backed Valencia.

     

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    I can't imagine what Valencia does in the other 100+ games he's not playing at 1B. He's  not good. I'm not super interested in a guy that can only play 1/3 of the games, max, who doesn't catch. He really ties up the 25 man. 

     

    14 pitchers ties up the 25 man. The Twins should have a place for a bat like Valenica/Vargas/Byung Ho.

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    Garver is the same age as Vargas and is hitting better than Vargas at the same level. Plus, Garver is just crushing lefties (1000 OPS) and is a better fielder.

     

    Garver is crushing LHP this year but it's important to note that's only in 60 AB, a very small sample. He didn't have hugely pronounced splits the past few years and hit LHP at a .733 rate and .802 rate. Neither of those are bad but they don't scream "MLB 1B platoon". He may have developed in the past year but it just as easily could be SSS.

    Curious what you base the better fielder on? Vargas isn't awful and Garver is relatively new to 1B.
     

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    Or, no one has typed "future All Star", and he's 26 with an OPS of .900 in AAA, right handed, and was a bat first draft pick who they hoped could learn to catch who can offer value as a PH, C, potential platoon partner for Mauer, and if needed, can play in the OF in a situation where for some reason he's needed. 

     

    Sorry Mike, I didn't mean to offend - I saw a post here suggesting Garver should be platooning with Mauer at first base in 2019.  To me that sounds like Garver Fever and the only cure is more cowbell!  We know next to nothing about this kid.  All I know is that he's playing well but before this year he's never even been on the radar.  He is indeed 26 and still playing in the minors which tells me something.

     

    Seriously, I would love to see the guy get called up and play instead of Giminez. Just trying to put the breaks on the Garver speculation when the dude hasn't even faced a pitch yet.

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    All this talk of Garver playing in the outfield doesn't make sense to me. This team needs a catcher that can hit. I can't recall a catcher moving to the outfield with success.

    Not that I would compare Garver with these guys, but:

     

    Dale Murphy

    Raul Ibanez

    Jayson Werth

    Wil Myers

    Josh Willingham

     

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/92665530/many-converted-catchers-find-success-at-new-positions/

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    I'll give you Werth but would squabble over the others.

    What do you mean?  Their defense was bad in the outfield?  Dale Murphy was a gold glove CF, and even Ibanez wasn't a liability by defensive metrics until he was 35 years old.  Willingham wasn't a disaster either in his younger days, it was enough for a solid bat to overcome.

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    I pulled up an old comment I posted this offseason, looking at Santana comps:

     

    "Peavy pitched a 101 ERA+ at 33, then pitched two more years, 108 and 74 at age 34 and 35.

     

    Guthrie posted a 132 at age 33, then went 102-95-72, done at 36.

     

    Lohse posted 133 at age 33, then went 115-107-68, done at 36.

     

    Millwood posted 88 at 33, then 127-81-115-90, done at 37.

     

    Loiaza posted 108 at 33, then averaged 83 and was done at 36.

     

    Doug Davis (106ERA+ age 29-33) posted a 108 ERA+ at age 33, then bombed to 57 over the next two years, done at 35.

     

    Steve Traschel posted a 107, then posted 88 and 94 in his age 35 and 36 season, playing sporadically at age 34 and 37, done at 37.

     

    Miguel Batista posted a couple of 103/102 seasons as a starter after 33, and became a solid closer for some of those years, lasting until 40.

     

    Javier Vasquez posted 81 and 106 in his age 33 and 34 seasons and then retired.

     

    Brad Radke, who posted a 110 ERA+ from age 29-33 posted a 104 at age 33, and then was done.

     

    Finally, Ervin Santana pitched a 124 ERA at age 33, with a 101 ERA+ from age 29-33 (including years of 74 and 90 in that stretch.). He's headed toward his rapid decline phase, although he might post another 100+ year or maybe two if he is lucky. He also has a history with PEDs, which may have helped him more in the past than going forward. The Twins should trade him for whatever they can get."

     

    I stick by that assessment. He's been good this year. He won't be good for long. Trade him now.

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    What do you mean? Their defense was bad in the outfield? Dale Murphy was a gold glove CF, and even Ibanez wasn't a liability by defensive metrics until he was 35 years old. Willingham wasn't a disaster either in his younger days, it was enough for a solid bat to overcome.

    Just that all but Murphy and Werth were better suited to DH. Biggio yes. But I don't count Harper.

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    If the Twins can get the guy that Baseball America called "arguably the most dominant relief prospect in the minors" for John Ryan Murphy,  they should be able to get someone with a heartbeat for Hector Santiago.

     

    The Twins should do now, what they should had done last off-season:  Trade Santana, Kintzler, and Dozier, as well as Garcia, for good young controllable pitching. 

    Btw, not sure that the Twins were "wise" in not trading Dozier for DeLeon (if that were the trade offered.)  DeLeon has higher probability in contributing for the Twins when their young core will be getting into their prime (2019-2020) than Dozier. 

     

    Again, I don't get the lack of love for Rosario vs Buxton.  If Buxton is still that highly regarded within the league, I'd love to see the Twins try to see what they can get for him.  If they can get someone like Starling Marte, who is a gold glove centerfielder who can hit and steal bases now (unlike Buxton) and Felipe Rivero (who is probably the best young bullpen arm in baseball), they would be nuts if they do not do it, because it will improve the team now and in the future.

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    gunnarthor, on 28 Jul 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

    Not sure where to put this but it was on Heyman's twitter timeline

     

    https://twitter.com/RobertMurrayFRS/status/890713998190137345 

    (Liriano/Twins? I can't get the Twitter link to work)

    edit: forgot to quote when I first posted

     

    That would be awesome. I still have the jersey in my closet. 

     

    ​That's probably the only reason it would be awesome. Maybe next year is the year he finally puts it together and wins a Cy Young.  (I've been thinking that for a decade; why stop now?)

     

     

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    Not sure why people are so insanely high on Mitch Garver. Many hitters can rake in the minors but have a very hard time making the jump to the majors. He could turn out to be great or he could be just the same as Buxton when he came up.

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    Not sure why people are so insanely high on Mitch Garver. Many hitters can rake in the minors but have a very hard time making the jump to the majors. He could turn out to be great or he could be just the same as Buxton when he came up.

    I don't see anyone who is insanely high on Garver. In my opinion, the Twins should call him up to fill in as a bench player who can play at C, 1B, and DH and see if he can hit in the majors. If he can, great, and if he can't, now we know. We're not going to find out by keeping him in AAA.

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    No mention of Granite? I like the kid but is he traded because he is an odd man out without room for him anywhere? Perhaps left field but that would waste his defensive talents?

    We could always play Buxton/Granite in L/R center and play a rover.

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    If Buxton is still that highly regarded within the league, I'd love to see the Twins try to see what they can get for him. If they can get someone like Starling Marte, who is a gold glove centerfielder who can hit and steal bases now (unlike Buxton) and Felipe Rivero (who is probably the best young bullpen arm in baseball), they would be nuts if they do not do it, because it will improve the team now and in the future.

    This is madness.

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    Trading Santana makes the most sense. Sell high on a pitcher that has been pitching above his career averages, entering his mid 30s. His future production can easily be replaced in FA this winter, and the prospects he could net would be helpful going forward.

    The thing I don't understand with this often stated line of thinking is how do people think it is easy to replace this kind of pitcher in free agency? Seems to me of all the past signings he is the only one who panned out. It would have to be a huge haul for me to be on board.

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    I don't see anyone who is insanely high on Garver. In my opinion, the Twins should call him up to fill in as a bench player who can play at C, 1B, and DH and see if he can hit in the majors. If he can, great, and if he can't, now we know. We're not going to find out by keeping him in AAA.

    What did they learn about Parmelee or Danny Santana or Polanco? Did their view change considerably after good numbers at the start of their careers? Should it? They have watched the player for years prior to the partial first season.

     

    He could come up and post an OPS of 800 or 600 and that small sample shouldn't change their assessment of his skill at the plate. The big question for Garver is his skill behind the plate, They continue to develop that skill caching every other day in AAA. I am certain behind the scenes he is spending a lot of time watching video and learning how to prep for a game. Should they call him up now or develop that skill for another month and call him up in September? I would like to see him but I am not sure it is best.

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    If the Twins can get the guy that Baseball America called "arguably the most dominant relief prospect in the minors" for John Ryan Murphy,  they should be able to get someone with a heartbeat for Hector Santiago.

     

    The Twins should do now, what they should had done last off-season:  Trade Santana, Kintzler, and Dozier, as well as Garcia, for good young controllable pitching. 

    Btw, not sure that the Twins were "wise" in not trading Dozier for DeLeon (if that were the trade offered.)  DeLeon has higher probability in contributing for the Twins when their young core will be getting into their prime (2019-2020) than Dozier. 

     

    Again, I don't get the lack of love for Rosario vs Buxton.  If Buxton is still that highly regarded within the league, I'd love to see the Twins try to see what they can get for him.  If they can get someone like Starling Marte, who is a gold glove centerfielder who can hit and steal bases now (unlike Buxton) and Felipe Rivero (who is probably the best young bullpen arm in baseball), they would be nuts if they do not do it, because it will improve the team now and in the future.

    You aren't going to get good controllable pitching for those guys. If you could it would have been done already.

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    The thing I don't understand with this often stated line of thinking is how do people think it is easy to replace this kind of pitcher in free agency? Seems to me of all the past signings he is the only one who panned out. It would have to be a huge haul for me to be on board.

    Hughes worked out fine, for almost 2/3 of his original contract. (Don't let the extension fool you into thinking the original contract was bad.)

     

    Nolasco didn't quite work out, of course, but even there he has recovered to post a 90 ERA+ and eat 180-200 IP a year over the last half of his contract. That's what Ervin was doing the year before we signed him.

     

    I'm not saying trade him for just anything, but Ervin isn't entirely irreplaceable. In fact, I suspect he is replaceable enough that we won't get offered much for him in trade.

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    In theory, Mauer is gone after 2018, Santana and Hughes are gone after 2019, though Hughes could end up retiring still and insurance would kick in to help mitigate his contract early. Santiago, Gibson and Perkins could and should all be gone after this season. (Slight chance Gibson would be retained). Guys like Giminez and Belisle don't earn a ton, but could also be gone, freeing up at least a little more payroll.

     

    My entire point being this team has, and will have soon, quite a bit of free payroll to allow them to;

     

    A] Sign at least one quality FA SP. Possibly re-sign Garcia, should he look good. And still have the funds to add a quality RP or two.

     

    B] Still have the finances to hold on to current young players as they begin to, eventually, reach the arbitration years of their careers.

     

    The team could afford to trade Dozier, player replacement wise, if there turns out to be a solid offer for him. Just really not sure what kind of offer Kintzler could bring, but I would consider trading him, but would be happy to bring him back. Keep Santana. We already need more pitching, not less, and we're not getting SP NOW for Santana.

     

    Santana regressed to a #3 In 2018? And? I'd still be more than happy with that.

     

    Bring up Garver.

    Keep Santana.

    Put out feelers for the others and see.

    Sign the best FA SP next off season.

    Maybe keep Garcia.

    Sign a quality RP or 2.

    Keep working in the young RP.

    Strongly consider a 1B/DH to work with Mauer and strengthen the lineup.

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