Jump to content
Twins Daily
  • Create Account
  • Twins Daily Roundtable: Grading Molitor


    Cody Christie

    Twins Daily Roundtable is a weekly series. As part of this series, a question will be posed to the site’s writers and they will respond in 200 words or less (Some writers don’t like to stick to this limit). This will give readers an opportunity to see multiple points of view and then add their own point of view in the comments section.

    Paul Molitor is nearing the end of his fourth season as the Minnesota Twins manager. During his first season, the Twins pushed for a playoff spot into the season’s last weeks. There were over 100 losses in 2016. He won AL Manager of the year in 2017 after the Twins bounced back to earn a Wild Card spot. Now in his fourth season, the club is sitting below the .500 mark.

    This week’s roundtable discussion question is: “How would you rank Paul Molitor’s managerial performance? Why?”

    Image courtesy of Marilyn Indahl-USA TODAY Sports

    Twins Video

    Seth Stohs

    I think he's doing fine. A manager's role in wins and losses is vastly overstated (wins or losses). As for the lineup, I'd say he does just fine. He mixes it up pretty well and isn't married to certain hitters in certain spots. Bullpen usage is where most find fault. I definitely think he has a tendency to overwork the reliable relievers which, practically, is understandable. But he will need to find a way to trust others to try to keep those top guys from wearing down. He's obviously well respected in the clubhouse, but I don't know what we can really comment on his role in there. We just don't know. A manager can't be at all places. In terms of analytics, he certainly has the people around him that will encourage it.

    This is an impossible question to answer with any certainty. Managers usually get too much credit when the team wins, and they get too much of the blame when things go bad.

    Tom Froemming

    I'd give him a D. We're not at the point where I'm demanding he be fired, but I definitely think the team would be better off with someone else running the show.

    I'm happy to see the Twins are bunting much less frequently this year, but I'm still depressed at how inefficiently the bullpen has been managed. There's also no shortage of strange lineup decisions. He seems to have no interest in providing opportunities for younger players and caters to the veterans far too often.

    I have a lot of respect for Paul Molitor. He's certainly knows more about baseball than I do, but expertise doesn't always translate to management.

    Cody Christie

    Expectations were high for the Twins heading into the 2018 season and things haven’t exactly gone as planned. Falvey and Levine seemed to have put together some strong pieces to build off of last season’s playoff run. However, no one could have predicted the lack of production from Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, and Brian Dozier. There’s little a manager can do if the team’s best players aren’t performing or aren’t even on the roster.

    I honestly think the front office will decided to go in a different direction this off-season. I believe Falvey and Levine are going to want to bring in someone younger that fits the mold of “being their guy.” They could give Molitor one more chance to see what he does with the club next year but Minnesota won’t have the likes of Sano and Buxton around forever.

    If the time isn’t now, when will it be? Overall grade, C- but he moves to a C+ with extra credit for AL Manager of the Year.

    Ted Schwerzler

    Molitor was put in a difficult position, but he also hasn’t done himself any favors. This front office likely would’ve hired their own guy had they not been mandated to do otherwise. He saved his skin by winning Manager of the Year in 2017, but he’s continued many of his poor habits this season. Bullpen usage has been questionable, in-game strategy leaves something to be desired, and lineup configuration has been head-scratching at times.

    Nothing he’s done has been egregious, but the sum of all parts seems average at best. It’s hard to gauge his relatability to this roster without being in the clubhouse, but I tend to believe there’re better options in that department. On a grading scale, I’d tag him with a C-. Regardless of his three-year deal, which did seem odd, I don’t know that Falvey and Levine won’t move on this winter anyways.

    Steve Lein

    I'll begin this one by pointing out the cliche that managers get too much of the credit for winning and too much of the blame for losing. The players hit, pitch, and play defense while managers really can only make personnel decisions and have situational influence. But that is where good managers can make their mark.

    As far as personnel decisions go, Molitor doesn’t get a passing grade from me. Overuse of bullpen pitchers has quite clearly affected their performance. Platoon advantages have not been utilized enough. At times I've thought it was like he's spinning a roulette wheel with players names on it to figure out the lineup order he'd throw out. The up and down records of his his teams during his tenure also tells me he may not have that special sauce that extracts the best out of most of his players consistently. That's one idea I do think the great managers accomplish.

    When it comes to the situational side during a game, outside of his use of the bullpen, I do think Molitor does well. He's embraced shifting on defense, I don't think they've done much bunting, and based on his Hall Of Fame playing career I know he’s seen it all. I trust him to make the correct decisions in that sense.

    Overall, I’d rank him around the middle of MLB managers, but his time is running out.

    SD Buhr

    This is really a tough question.

    Obviously, you can’t say Paul Molitor has been an incredibly good manager at this point, based on the results on the field, even though last season’s second half was certainly encouraging.

    But I’m not really sure you can lay the lack of success this season purely at his feet, either. While most of us were looking for a strong year as they prepared for spring training, I think if you’d have told us then that Polanco and Santana would each miss the entire first half of the season and Sano and Buxton would spend so little time on the active roster, our expectations might have been more muted. I’m not sure you can blame the manager for not winning more games when those major pieces were absent.

    Personally, I’d probably give him an overall grade of C+ and, based on that, I won’t really have any objection whether the front office decides to keep him around or bring in someone new.

    If you missed any of the most recent roundtable discussions, here are the links:

    Closing Time

    Prospect Promotions

    Hall of Fame Impact

    Baseball in 2028

    Floundered

    MORE FROM TWINS DAILY
    — Latest Twins coverage from our writers
    — Recent Twins discussion in our forums
    — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email
    — Become a Twins Daily Caretaker

     Share


    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    Featured Comments

     

    Who were better options than them earlier this season? The cupboards were pretty bare.

     

    Better options?... How bout Equal options? Because we had plenty of equal options, just go ahead and pick one. 

     

    Just so I'm better understood.

     

    BTW... I am not making an "overuse" claim... Others are. It's possible that overuse factored in to the June versions of Pressly and Reed, however, everybody has different thresholds that I am not privy to. 

     

    My point is simple... We didn't have a single reliever that was better than the other relievers all year. So if relievers were indeed overused... why were they?

     

    You are asking me to name someone better... I can't... but, I'll return the question to you... Can you name someone better? Look at the numbers... you can't either.  :)

     

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    I do not argue with the details in your posting - just the position that it is all Molitors fault.  I must repeat that this FO set him up with a multitude of check valves.  Hey Derek Shelton, what do you do besides weigh down the bench?  What questions do you ask, what advise do you give?  Hey Galvin Alston - the pitchers are your responsibility.  Do you say - Paul do not use?  Does Paul ignore your sage advice?  Eddie Guardado you were a relief pitcher (I know Every Day Eddie) but do you provide the manager with advice on who and when to use pitchers?  Nate Damman (I did not even know we had him) you are the bullpen catcher.  Do you ever say - he does not have it?  Jeff Pickler, you deserve my greatest ire - you are the analytics guy.  You bring new ideas.  What are those ideas?  What are your stats?  Do you stop bad tendencies?  Molitor might be horrible, but if he is, then what do these characters contribute and of course who hired them - the Front Office.  I will not pursue Rowson, Glynn, Smith, and Hernandez on who starts and who doesn't.  The fact is blaming the manager is no longer acceptable as our frustration grows - it should be placed on the staff and the Front Office. 

     

    I agree

     

    I do not know who is making the decisions, who are the advocates and who are the dissenters, who are the loud voices in the room and who are the quiet ones but all of those people you list have jobs with important duties and are no doubt a part of any equation. 

     

    I can only assume Molitor because the Twins were doing the same crap in 2016 and Molitor is the only common denominator in 2016 and 2018 and he has the type of role that would normally influence player usage. 

     

    However, in the end... If you got a problem. You start by focusing on the people who hire the people.  :)

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    MOY? Friday night. Man on second, down 1-0, no outs. Bunts his 4 hitter Polanco, and Sano hits the sac fly. They score a run, but effectively limit any damage to one run. In the fourth inning? I could see this late in a game, when one run does serious damage. I have said it before, and repeat. Being a MLB HOF member does not guarantee a feel for the game. He never seems to think any further than the inning right in front of him.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    MOY? Friday night. Man on second, down 1-0, no outs. Bunts his 4 hitter Polanco, and Sano hits the sac fly. They score a run, but effectively limit any damage to one run. In the fourth inning? I could see this late in a game, when one run does serious damage. I have said it before, and repeat. Being a MLB HOF member does not guarantee a feel for the game. He never seems to think any further than the inning right in front of him.

    We scored and we do not do that often.  I am happy with it.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    MOY? Friday night. Man on second, down 1-0, no outs. Bunts his 4 hitter Polanco, and Sano hits the sac fly. They score a run, but effectively limit any damage to one run. In the fourth inning? I could see this late in a game, when one run does serious damage. I have said it before, and repeat. Being a MLB HOF member does not guarantee a feel for the game. He never seems to think any further than the inning right in front of him.

     

    Self Inflicted Old School

    giphy.gif

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The exact date is irrelevant. Do you think Jim Pohlad noticed this? Did anyone point it out to him?

    We as fans look at things on a micro level. Executive people look at things on a macro level.

    If JP did not notice this, nor pays enough attention to detail to have a chance to, then perhaps he should let his baseball people make the managerial decisions, and he should concentrate on managing dads estate?
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Better options?... How bout Equal options? Because we had plenty of equal options, just go ahead and pick one.

     

    Just so I'm better understood.

     

    BTW... I am not making an "overuse" claim... Others are. It's possible that overuse factored in to the June versions of Pressly and Reed, however, everybody has different thresholds that I am not privy to.

     

    My point is simple... We didn't have a single reliever that was better than the other relievers all year. So if relievers were indeed overused... why were they?

     

    You are asking me to name someone better... I can't... but, I'll return the question to you... Can you name someone better? Look at the numbers... you can't either. :)

    I can't name someone better and that's the problem. The lack of talent in the bullpen isn't the manager's fault. If Molitor managed the Yankees bullpen I would venture to guess there's no complaints about overusing players and keeping failing players around.

     

    The team needs better options than Hildy, Reed, and Duke. As well as better reinforcements than Busenitz, Curtiss, and Duffey.

    Edited by Vanimal46
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    we are middle of the AL in scoring.  maybe this kind of strategy is why we aren't a bit higher...

    Look at who we have played the most, we should be scoring and middle of the pack is not that great for this young dynamic team with all its players (except Buxton) in place.  Look at last night at Oakland - one run and all we can do is talk about Mauers counting stat.  Baseball has changed in so many ways and one is the tanking teams syndrome.  We have half the teams playing terrible baseball and half the teams playing great.  To be in the middle is not a good place to be - https://youtu.be/eFOY6KJlFEg 

     

    And I'm just a little bit caught in the middle
    I try to keep going but it's not that simple
    I think I'm a little bit caught in the middle
    Gotta keep going or they'll call me a quitter
    Yeah, I'm caught in the middle
    No, I don't need no help
    I can sabotage me by myself

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    So shouldn't you try to maximize scoring chances instead of playing for one run an inning? It's one thing if it were late in the game, but the 4th inning isn't late in the game.

    i love how this is gaining so much attention.  Because of the quality of the Twins bats I want bunts, stolen bases, hit and run (they might not be able to do this).  Sano 210, Austin 239, Kepler 233.  Those are the big bombers?  This team can play for one run early, get a lead, get confidence and swing for the fences in other situations.  Rosario is the only player left on the team with more than 50 RBIs.  Who do I trust?  Rosario, Garver, and Kepler are the only players on the team with an offensive WAR over 1.  

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    I can't name someone better and that's the problem. The lack of talent in the bullpen isn't the manager's fault. If Molitor managed the Yankees bullpen I would venture to guess there's no complaints about overusing players and keeping failing players around.

    The team needs better options than Hildy, Reed, and Duke. As well as better reinforcements than Busenitz, Curtiss, and Duffey.

    I agree. I would be surprised if most or at least many of our moves, don't involve the pen.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    i love how this is gaining so much attention. Because of the quality of the Twins bats I want bunts, stolen bases, hit and run (they might not be able to do this). Sano 210, Austin 239, Kepler 233. Those are the big bombers? This team can play for one run early, get a lead, get confidence and swing for the fences in other situations. Rosario is the only player left on the team with more than 50 RBIs. Who do I trust? Rosario, Garver, and Kepler are the only players on the team with an offensive WAR over 1.

    I guess that's part of my argument. Why wouldn't you maximize the few opportunities you do have? It's difficult to win scoring just one run and the odds are only marginally better than getting shut out, so why not try to score as many as you can?

     

    You're right though, this does get too much attention. Far bigger issues with this club.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    I guess that's part of my argument. Why wouldn't you maximize the few opportunities you do have? It's difficult to win scoring just one run and the odds are only marginally better than getting shut out, so why not try to score as many as you can?

    You're right though, this does get too much attention. Far bigger issues with this club.

    Thanks for your response - tthis really is about the fact that we are so desperate that we worry about one run in the middle of one game.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I mean if you want to ignore that Grossman is hitting .315/.386/.427 since July 1, sure.

    Players have ups and downs during a season. If Grossman wants to be useful, the highs need to be higher and/or more numerous, or else the lows less low. He's not a big cog in the machine but his first three months, while the team was burying itself for post-season relevance, contributed.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I loved it. Polanco is our best bunter and he set up Sano with practically a give me.

     

    The single act itself is not the problem. The problem is the timeline, 4th inning. The problem is it basically eliminated any chance of scoring a "crooked" number. The problem is to score around 5 runs per game, you would have needed to do this 4 out of the last 5 innings to get to that 5 run average. The problem is our pitching staff generally does not support low run outcomes. Speaking of problems, I would have not had a problem with the play if it had tied or given a lead in the bottom of the 8th. This didn't. This was a move that would have caused fans at a Legion game to question whether their coach knew what he was doing!
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    I can't name someone better and that's the problem. The lack of talent in the bullpen isn't the manager's fault. If Molitor managed the Yankees bullpen I would venture to guess there's no complaints about overusing players and keeping failing players around.

    The team needs better options than Hildy, Reed, and Duke. As well as better reinforcements than Busenitz, Curtiss, and Duffey.

     

    I agree. I've wanted the Twins to get bullpen serious for quite some time. No sense getting bullpen serious when someone in the room is recommending Belisle and someone is riding three guys with the same numbers as three other guys that he is shy about using. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    No, it's not about one PA.

    It's about the mindset of playing for one run early in ANY ballgame. This was just an example.

    And it's about, as an aside, pulling Stewart with two outs in the fifth the other night. That's a "message" that's normally reserved for a pitcher who displeases his manager for some reason or another. TK was quite fond of it as a disciplinary maneuver. In this case Stewart should have been given a chance to get that last out as a confidence booster. That is if he hadn't been pitching (unknowingly) in the 7th game of the WS!
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    Players have ups and downs during a season. If Grossman wants to be useful, the highs need to be higher and/or more numerous, or else the lows less low. He's not a big cog in the machine but his first three months, while the team was burying itself for post-season relevance, contributed.

     

    I mean I get that, but if the argument is that he should never play, I don't really agree. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I mean I get that, but if the argument is that he should never play, I don't really agree. 

    Anyone on the roster shouldn't play "never". On page 8 of a thread still nominally about Paul Molitor, I'm fine with this degree of accord reached. :)

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    I understand your point. But assuming Molitor was stuck with Grossman by the FO, he has to play him, partly because that’s the directive from the FO, and partly because he has limited options.
    (Partly because having Grossman on the roster is, in itself, limiting.)

     

    Can you be sure that Molitor wasn't in the room advocating Grossman on the roster? 

     

    I can't... so I'm not comfortable with "stuck". 

     

    I'd like to blame Molitor or the front office for everything but I can't be sure where the decisions we see are coming from. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    Can you be sure that Molitor wasn't in the room advocating Grossman on the roster? 

     

    I can't... so I'm not comfortable with "stuck". 

     

    I'd like to blame Molitor or the front office for everything but I can't be sure where the decisions we see are coming from. 

    The manager can advocate for a player all they want but the overall decision lies with the FO.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites




    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

    Loading...

×
×
  • Create New...