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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

    https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/873296225642176513

    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    There's a reason McKay is viewed as a top 5 pick by everyone. Great command, great curveball, and a good fastball. Who is projecting him as a back end starter?

    If you look at the past 15 years or so, the college guys drafted in the top 15 picks that actually became legit front-of-the-rotation starters all come out of college with big fastballs: Cole, Harvey, Sale, Strasburg, Price, Lincecum, Scherzer, Verlander, Prior. The only exception to this is possibly Jered Weaver. There is also a pretty long list of polished lefties with good-but-not-elite stuff that didn't amount to much in the majors: Sowers, Romero, Detwiler, Matusz, Minor, Bradley, Hultzen, Heaney. If you want to find exceptions to this, you really need to go all the way back to the 1990s when the A's selected Zito and Mulder.

     

    Maybe there is something about McKay that makes him unique in this regard, but I think there is a lot of historical evidence that pitchers like McKay will struggle.

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    There's a reason McKay is viewed as a top 5 pick by everyone. Great command, great curveball, and a good fastball. Who is projecting him as a back end starter?

     

    Well looking at the odds of draft pick success, that's probably the most realistic outcome for any pitcher drafted at or near the top of the draft. Plenty better, plenty worse. Plenty exactly that.

     

    Looking at McKay, his velocity, handedness, draft position, repertoire and level of competition look most like Brian Matusz to me; both had huge college numbers also. Matusz was always a top prospect but his stuff never translated, even in the minors. 

     

    That's only one sample point so it's nothing to base a projection on and I haven't heard any of the draft wonks use the comparable, it's just who I see.

     

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    12:40
    Josh: If you were the Twins, who would you pick?

     

    12:40
    Travis Sawchik: I am not a draft expert. But Hunter Greene is the most compelling guy, for me, in the field

     

    ...in the field.  He talking about SS or just the general  field of players in the draft?

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    If you look at the past 15 years or so, the college guys drafted in the top 15 picks that actually became legit front-of-the-rotation starters all come out of college with big fastballs: Cole, Harvey, Sale, Strasburg, Price, Lincecum, Scherzer, Verlander, Prior. The only exception to this is possibly Jered Weaver. There is also a pretty long list of polished lefties with good-but-not-elite stuff that didn't amount to much in the majors: Sowers, Romero, Detwiler, Matusz, Minor, Bradley, Hultzen, Heaney. If you want to find exceptions to this, you really need to go all the way back to the 1990s when the A's selected Zito and Mulder.

     

    Maybe there is something about McKay that makes him unique in this regard, but I think there is a lot of historical evidence that pitchers like McKay will struggle.

     

    Great post... Thanks for doing the research! 

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    If you look at the past 15 years or so, the college guys drafted in the top 15 picks that actually became legit front-of-the-rotation starters all come out of college with big fastballs: Cole, Harvey, Sale, Strasburg, Price, Lincecum, Scherzer, Verlander, Prior. The only exception to this is possibly Jered Weaver. There is also a pretty long list of polished lefties with good-but-not-elite stuff that didn't amount to much in the majors: Sowers, Romero, Detwiler, Matusz, Minor, Bradley, Hultzen, Heaney. If you want to find exceptions to this, you really need to go all the way back to the 1990s when the A's selected Zito and Mulder.

     

    Maybe there is something about McKay that makes him unique in this regard, but I think there is a lot of historical evidence that pitchers like McKay will struggle.

    How many college guys in the top 15 or so picks didn't have big fastballs? 

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    There's a reason McKay is viewed as a top 5 pick by everyone. Great command, great curveball, and a good fastball. Who is projecting him as a back end starter?

    McKay's performance later in games is a real concern. Widespread reports of velo loss by inning 5. In the game I saw (vs Oklahoma two weeks ago) he started hanging curveballs around pitch 55 (a sign of fatigue) and almost totally abandoned it by the end of his stint, moving to a 84 mph cutter instead which hitters made a lot of contact on. He struckout 5 of the first 7 batters in that start but only 2 of the next 17.

     

    Maybe when he turns pro and doesn't have to hit in the same game he pitches in, he'll have the energy to maintain velo a little deeper. Maybe he's got a mechanical flaw causing him to waste energy. Could be fixable. Or could be he just doesn't have the stamina to go deep into games consistently no matter what.

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    LH college pitchers drafted in the top 10 since 2007:

     

    David Price

    Daniel Moskos

    Ross Detwiler

    Brian Matusz

    Mike Minor

    Drew Pomeranz

    Danny Hultzen

    Andrew Heaney

    Carlos Rodon

    Kyle Freeland

    Tyler Jay

    A.J. Puk

     

    hmmmm.....a few names stick out bad and good there, for me. And one super depressing one.

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    If you look at the past 15 years or so, the college guys drafted in the top 15 picks that actually became legit front-of-the-rotation starters all come out of college with big fastballs: Cole, Harvey, Sale, Strasburg, Price, Lincecum, Scherzer, Verlander, Prior. The only exception to this is possibly Jered Weaver. There is also a pretty long list of polished lefties with good-but-not-elite stuff that didn't amount to much in the majors: Sowers, Romero, Detwiler, Matusz, Minor, Bradley, Hultzen, Heaney. If you want to find exceptions to this, you really need to go all the way back to the 1990s when the A's selected Zito and Mulder.

     

    Maybe there is something about McKay that makes him unique in this regard, but I think there is a lot of historical evidence that pitchers like McKay will struggle.

     

    I think the good McKay as a pitcher reminds me a lot of Barry Zito. And the bad McKay is something closer to Christian Friedrich. 

     

    At the same time, the bad McKay as a hitter is probably pretty close to the bad version of Joe Mauer and the good version the good version of the first baseman Mauer. So I'm not sure I get putting him on the mound given we're about 18 months away from a Mauer-less existence. 

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    Well I assume he'll focus on whichever looks most promising early in his MiLB career (assuming he does both out of the gates). Given that, 50% on each seems about right given only the information we have today. Of course if he fails at one the probability that he later suceeds at it falls a bunch, but I'm not sure how we'd know that today. 

     

    I'm hoping the Twins take McKay just because I'm curious as to how this plays out.  Pitch?  Hit?  Both?

     

    May not help the big club in the future but it's a heck of a story line! 

     

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    I don't buy him gaining velocity if he gives up hitting. I just dont

     

    Yeah, I mean didnt Buxton pitch 98 the year we took him outta HS? He was obviously an every day guy then too. So I doubt McKay would have a big bump up at this point.

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    Warren Spahn was an all time great.

     

    But despite what Bob Feller liked to claim, no one was throwing all that hard back then. There were probably only a handful of guys who regularly hit 90MPH prior to 1960s.

     

    Which was also why those guys could go 8-9 innings every start every 4th day.

    Interesting that you mention Feller. Went goose hunting with him one morning on our farm when I was about 11 or 12. Gave me a baseball with a very nice personal comment. While in college, my parents sold the farm and my Mom tossed it with a lot of other stuff.

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    Yeah, I mean didnt Buxton pitch 98 the year we took him outta HS? He was obviously an every day guy then too. So I doubt McKay would have a big bump up at this point.

    Yes Buxton was clocked up to 98 on the mound his senior year.  There is YUGE difference between two way playing in HS and two way playing in College, especially a D1 school.  By concentrating solely on pitching, skills are honed instead of getting by with athletic ability.  McKay is considered the first real Top 5 pick as a pitcher and as a hitter since Dave Winfield in 1973.

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    Didn't McKay's velocity drop coincide with him trying a new pitch? I thought he pitched pretty well down the stretch for Louisville regardless of his velocity and his secondary pitches are supposed to be pretty solid. A lefty can get away with slightly less mph than a righty.

     

    I generally agree that lefties can get away with slightly less mph than a righty. Though I'm a big believer in velocity being a key indicator of a pitcher's success. There's a new article on Fangraphs "In Game Velocity Changes - When Fatigue Attacks" that discusses the fine line of velocity and a pitcher's success. 

    Matt Harvey for example was very very good when he sat at 96 and 2 plus secondary pitches. Now he looks like a shell of his former self now that he's sitting at 92. Arietta this season is seeing a drop in velocity, and as a result, struggling with a 4.68 ERA. 

    If McKay is sitting at ~90 right now, and he loses any sort of velocity along the way, I fear the Twins drafted Tommy Milone. 

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    Gotta be, especially as 1:1.  Who else Gordon? Romero? Gonsalves?

     

    Gordon. 

     

    If they draft a guy that isn't better than him, sigh. But, others have said on other threads that those two might be behind Gordon, hence my question.

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    First prep bats taken since 2008:

     

    Tim Beckham

    Donovan Tate

    Manny Machado (as Bryce Harper was technically a 17-year-old Juco guy)

    Bubba Starling

    Carlos Correa

    Clint Frazier

    Nick Gordon

    Brendan Rodgers

    Mickey Moniak

     

    some good/great/awesome names there.

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