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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

    https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/873296225642176513

    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    Please, not Lewis.  Want pitching, more pitching, and even more pitching.

    As a Cubs fan, way back in 2013, I said the same thing during the draft; we need pitching, lots and lots of pitching.  The Cubs had the #2 overall pick instead of picking a college arm with a plus fastball, plus breaking ball, future plus change and picked the power college bat with defensive and contact questions.  It turned out alright, as Kris Bryant has developed nicely and quickly while the other guy I wanted, Jon Gray, has slowly turned into a stud for Colorado.

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    Well, I'd be stunned if Lewis is really the pick and if he is, they better have something good at 35 planned. I don't want us to save money at 1 just to sign a bunch of 3rd or 4th round types after round 10.

    Agreed. This organization needs top end talent again in the system. They have depth already.

     

    I'd rather they go all in at 1-1 but understand the strategy to go underslot to get something better at 35/37

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    As a Cubs fan, way back in 2013, I said the same thing during the draft; we need pitching, lots and lots of pitching.  The Cubs had the #2 overall pick instead of picking a college arm with a plus fastball, plus breaking ball, future plus change and picked the power college bat with defensive and contact questions.  It turned out alright, as Kris Bryant has developed nicely and quickly while the other guy I wanted, Jon Gray, has slowly turned into a stud for Colorado.

     

    didn't hurt they traded for Arrieta and were willing to sign Lester. The Twins utterly failed in their trades, and certainly won't be signing a Lester type.....

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    But we can't think like that, think of teams that passed on Trout because they needed pitching (we sure did) or the Astros passing on Bryant for Appel because they needed pitchers. There is much regret in baseball from teams drafting for need

     

    I think there's a lot of validity to your points.  A few counter thoughts...

    • At the times of those drafts, Trout wasn't quite as highly regarded (lower first-round guy), and Appel was (supposedly) the top prospect in the draft. 
    • I think mid-market teams like the Twins are somewhat stuck with finding and developing pitchers.  They won't outbid the large-market teams like the Yankees, and I just don't recall many stud pitchers signing with low-to-mid revenue teams like the Twins.  I think we need to almost over-emphasize the drafting of pitchers, and give ourselves more room for error.
    • I can't think of better trade-bait the young, high-upside pitching.  If you loaded up a farm system with stud pitching, you can trade from that position of strength to fill in other holes, if needed.

    I'd actually like to see the Twins grab 3 pitchers at 1/35/37.

     

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    For me, I don't care about his lack of velocity. I just am concerned that he was losing velocity at the end of the season.

    Good point. To follow that:

     

    In the very small sample of college starting pitchers drafted at the very top (top 3 or higher) in the past dozen years, I think it shows a slightly more favorable trend for those who sign late and rest their arms for the rest of the year.

     

    Signed and rested their arms for year: Price, Cole, Verlander, Hultzen, Humber

     

    Directly to minor leagues to pitch: Appel, Reynolds, Gray, Bauer, Rodon. 

     

    Other cases: Hochevar opted not to sign and played indy ball. Strasburg signed at the signing deadline, then rested his arm, then pitched in the Arizona league that fall. 

     

    Although I don't know if either Wright or McKay rise to a true 1-1 as a few of those did.

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    Greene...then Gore if he'll sign under slot.

     

    The association of Wright with "safe," scares me and I'm not terribly high on McKay as anything other than a mid to back end rotation piece. 

     

    If they go with one of the college pitchers and save some $$$ for picks later in the round I can understand it but short of that it'll be disappointing for me if they take one of those two guys. 

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    Lewis was always mentioned, but does seem he was flying under the radar the whole time.

     

    I'm a Wright guy, but I think I can get on board. Get pitching at 35 and 37.

    It will be very intriguing to break down those two later picks, especially if they are college pitchers.

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    Does anyone else feel like the Twins are floating out all these non Hunter Greene names to try to get a kid excited about going #1 and increase the chances they will take less?  I kind of feel like there's a good chance in the end the twins go with Greene after none of these other guys give them the discount they want.  In the past I've heard insiders don't get any info out of Falvey but the confidence some of these mockers seem to have as they change the Twins pick every day suggest the twins are leaking these names.  No reason to do that unless it's either a done deal or your trying to get the info out for a purpose.  Also if your Greene's agent don't you call the Twins about now and say you'll take 6.5?

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    Does anyone else feel like the Twins are floating out all these non Hunter Greene names to try to get a kid excited about going #1 and increase the chances they will take less?  I kind of feel like there's a good chance in the end the twins go with Greene after none of these other guys give them the discount they want.  In the past I've heard insiders don't get any info out of Falvey but the confidence some of these mockers seem to have as they change the Twins pick every day suggest the twins are leaking these names.  No reason to do that unless it's either a done deal or your trying to get the info out for a purpose.  Also if your Greene's agent don't you call the Twins about now and say you'll take 6.5?

     

    I don't. It would be pointless to try and work Greene this way. He seems locked in at #2.

     

    They still might take him (though it's unlikely), but it does seem they are shopping around for the best deal of value for cost. Probably not the worst strategy when there is no clear cut #1.

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    Are you purposely mischaracterizing this information for a cheap shot?

     

    Not based on how Bob typed it.....

     

    but this isn't the thread for my thoughts on whether things have changed or not, so I won't continue this direction.

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    To play Devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, are you saying that you would rather have Gibson opposed to Trout? Or Appel over Bryant?

     

    No one is saying that, but both of those pitchers were drafted ahead of the batter anyway. All I'm suggesting is that someone who argues that you should draft pitching has a merited argument. You're not winning a WS without it.

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    With Terry Ryan out and a new guard in, I thought Twindom might not hear "it's coming down to money" for the first pick overall, but I guess that's wrong.

     

    I mean, you realize that's not the same thing right? If I'm missing sarcasm apologies but this isn't "the team is too miserly to buy a Ferrari and is going to get a VW Beetle instead". It's more "I'm passing on Park Place because that way I can buy Pacific and Marvin Gardens." It's about budgeting how you use the limited amount of money available, not being cheap.

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    I don't. It would be pointless to try and work Greene this way. He seems locked in at #2.

     

    They still might take him (though it's unlikely), but it does seem they are shopping around for the best deal of value for cost. Probably not the worst strategy when there is no clear cut #1.

     

    I think we basically agree, by question is if none of the other top 4 or 5 give them a bargain do they end up with their true #1 and is that Greene.

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    One more. 1st college bat taken since 2008:

     

    Pedro Alvarez

    Dustin Ackley

    Christian Colon

    Anthony Rendon

    Mike Zunino

    Kris Bryant

    Kyle Schwarber

    Dansby Swanson

    Nick Senzel

    If the Twins took McKay at 1-1, got Burger to fall to 35 and somehow Rooker as well at 37, they'd have three of the best college bats locked up. I'd be pretty stoked by that.

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