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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

    https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/873296225642176513

    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/235886620/mock-draft-for-first-round-of-2017-mlb-draft/

     

    Both Callis and Mayo have the Twins taking McKay with Lewis in consideration only if he's really cheap.

     

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    Mayo: Brendan McKay, LHP/1B, Louisville - The Twins are still looking at multiple candidates, with Vanderbilt's Kyle Wright, and high schoolers Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis and MacKenzie Gore still being kicked around. But McKay looks like the odds-on favorite right now, and they would draft him as a pitcher.
    Callis: Brendan McKay, 1B/LHP, Louisville - Minnesota prefers McKay as a potential No. 2 starter but likely will give him the chance to both hit and pitch at the start of his career. California high school shortstop/outfielder Lewis appears to be Plan B, but only if he would cost significantly less than McKay, which won't happen.

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    I think Lewis makes a lot of sense if you don't buy Wright's upside or Greene's development curve. Good swing, great speed, could wind up just about anywhere on the diamond.

     

    I also think McKay's bat is the safest pick in the draft. 

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    mlbpipeline and minorleague ball both have McKay above Wright. BA and fangraphs have Wright above McKay. So McKay isn't a horrible choice. He's either the best or second best college arm. Or the Twins might love his bat after they look at it in person.

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    So, the idea is that Baz is one of the best pitchers available, but a team will have to buy him away from college? Interesting. 

     

    But, still, what makes him more intriguing than Greene? And what makes Lewis worth the gamble, given that two of our top prospects (Gordon, Javier) are already at SS? 

     

    I don't like it. 

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    The Draft is a gamble we all know that, McKay is a good way to go if you want to bet your dollar and get your dollar back.  In other words, he's safe that he'll be a big leaguer but you're not going to walk away from the table rich, you also won't walk away broke.  Personally, I wouldn't go that route especially with him on the mound.

     

    The talk of Royce Lewis is very intriguing, he's a five tool infield talent and he'll save you some money early on (how much is the big question) to take a fallen prospect at 35 or 37 which there will be a few left as there always are.

     

    But I'm in the Wright camp at this point, due to the ceiling/floor combo.

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    Falvey did suggest in an interview with the Pioneer Press a few weeks ago that he was open to the idea of McKay developing as a two-way player for (I'm paraphrasing) "as long as he can do both successfully." He gave the indication that performance would dictate whether he had to abandon one or the other.

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    Wright, Gore, Greene, McKay. 

     

    Twins need a good starting pitcher asap to help the Sano generation win a title. Wright gets there quickest, is most likely to contribute significantly.

     

    Gore could be the best pitcher, but he's just coming out of HS. A lefty with drop and drive like Hammels or Kershaw could be a win-churning ace for years... a few years from now.

     

    Greene sounds like the physical phenom of the draft, but he's also a HS kid, so it's years away. To that you add the problem of the inverted W. If minor league coaches don't iron out that flaw immediately, he's TJ bound. 

     

    McKay, like Wright, is fast to the majors, but I don't get the excitement of him as a pitcher. Low mph heat from a college guy? Unless he's got the world's most amazing off-speed stuff, I pass on that. Otherwise, he's a gifted hitting 1B, which is wonderful...somewhere in Round Two.

     

    If the Twins really do take McKay, it will remind me of the Vikings using their first pick on Laquon Treadwell, a talented WR with unimpressive speed. I will wonder why, and hope the scouts are seeing virtues I don't understand.

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    I'm going to go on record with my personal choices, just so that I have something to regret later.

     

    1. Wright

    2. Greene/Gore

    3. McKay

    4. Lewis

     

    It looks like I'm not getting my choices today, doesn't it?

     

    I feel like this is a good idea. Make it official everyone!

     

    1) McKay

    2) Gore

    3) Greene

    4) Wright

    5) Lewis

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    I found the note very interesting on the BA mock, they said a Twins front office guy says the pick is down to 4, McKay, Wright, Greene, and Lewis. It's very interesting that Gore was removed but not Lewis, I wonder if a pre draft deal could be done with him a la Correa in 2012, if you remember Correa was ranked in the 5-8 range that year and nobody had mocked him to the Astros, it was practically all Appel and a few Buxton

     

    Gore and Lewis both Boras clients.

     

    My guess is that Boras realizes Lewis could fall further than Gore if not taken at 1-1.  Maybe some deal-making going on.

     

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    I'd have to agree.   As any one who has watched Gonsalves pitch, those numbers don't do his stuff or his ability to "feel" his pitches justice.   I saw Mckay pitch against Kentucky, and he looked really good against a good hitting team.   His stuff was just sneaky good.  

     

    I've said it before, but pure velocity is overrated.   Location and movement (as well as "feel") will always trump pure speed (Greg Maddux anyone?), and I'd take that in a heart beat over it.

    Was at a dinner one night with a crafty former MLB lefty. His comment was something (I won't print his exact words) to the effect...all this hoopla about throwing 90-95 is nothing but B.....He went on to say he never got close to 90, hit your spots with good stuff and you can be very successful.

     

    Didn't check, but I recall he had something like 360 MLB wins, which I believe was the most ever for any lefty.

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    Gore and Lewis both Boras clients.

     

    My guess is that Boras realizes Lewis could fall further than Gore if not taken at 1-1.  Maybe some deal-making going on.

    I think with Boras the concern could be less about the signing bonus and more about the inability to extend his clients. He usually takes them to FA where obviously if they're any good never lands them in MN. Also as Gunnarthor said there could be a clubhouse issue if the player causes any of his teammates to switch agencies. Its unfortunate but seems likely to be a factor. The Twins very rarely draft Boras clients with their first pick.

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    All things being equal, I think I'd prefer Lewis over McKay.

     

    If it is Lewis though, it won't be equal; if it's so they can get Baz at 35 I'd be OK with the pick. Baz would be my fourth choice for pitcher after Greene, Gore and Wright. Watching the top prep bat and the 3rd best prep arm develop would hold my interest for quite awhile.

     

    And then Rooker at 37. And stick him at DH in September.

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    Was at a dinner one night with a crafty former MLB lefty. His comment was something (I won't print his exact words) to the effect...all this hoopla about throwing 90-95 is nothing but B.....He went on to say he never got close to 90, hit your spots with good stuff and you can be very successful.

    Didn't check, but I recall he had something like 360 MLB wins, which I believe was the most ever for any lefty.

    Warren Spahn?

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    Was at a dinner one night with a crafty former MLB lefty. His comment was something (I won't print his exact words) to the effect...all this hoopla about throwing 90-95 is nothing but B.....He went on to say he never got close to 90, hit your spots with good stuff and you can be very successful.

    Didn't check, but I recall he had something like 360 MLB wins, which I believe was the most ever for any lefty.

    I sincerely hope you're not referring to all-time great Greg Maddux. 

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    Was at a dinner one night with a crafty former MLB lefty. His comment was something (I won't print his exact words) to the effect...all this hoopla about throwing 90-95 is nothing but B.....He went on to say he never got close to 90, hit your spots with good stuff and you can be very successful.

    Didn't check, but I recall he had something like 360 MLB wins, which I believe was the most ever for any lefty.

     

    It's possible that athletes are better, and that the game has changed....

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    Also, I think the Boras stuff might be overblown. He doesn't tell his client what to do, he only advises, and there's a strong likelihood that both the player and the agent have considerable interest in striking a deal to be known as the first overall pick. And of course the boatloads of money that he'd get instead of going 4th or 5th.

     

    Greene and Gore are likely going 2 and 3, a Lewis selection by the Twins hurts McKay and Wright, not any other prep guys and likely not Boras' other guy Gore.

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    1) McKay

    2) Gore

    3) Greene

    4) Lewis

    5) Wright

     

    I don't understand the general anti-McKay leanings around here. While he's unlikely to both hit & pitch for long, the fact that he can do both greatly increases the chance the he hits on one of the two.

     

    Simple probability would dictate that if he has a 50% chance to succeed as a pitcher, and 50% chance to succeed as a hitter (both of which seem reasonable), then he has a 75% chance to hit on one of the two. 

     

    Given that there is no clear consensus generational talent in this draft, why not go w/ the higher probability play? I suppose you could argue that Greene's as likely to hit on one of the two, but I don't see that from a HS Right-hander w/ no secondary pitches. 

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    Was at a dinner one night with a crafty former MLB lefty. His comment was something (I won't print his exact words) to the effect...all this hoopla about throwing 90-95 is nothing but B.....He went on to say he never got close to 90, hit your spots with good stuff and you can be very successful.

    Didn't check, but I recall he had something like 360 MLB wins, which I believe was the most ever for any lefty.

     

    Warren Spahn was an all time great.

     

    But despite what Bob Feller liked to claim, no one was throwing all that hard back then. There were probably only a handful of guys who regularly hit 90MPH prior to 1960s.

     

    Which was also why those guys could go 8-9 innings every start every 4th day.

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