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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

    https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/873296225642176513

    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    My opinion is that the Twins were not that impressed with Carlson. If they were, they would have drafted and signed him!

    Well yeah, that looks likely. But, the question is, were they right to not be impressed by him? Time will tell.

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    I'm looking for theories here. I have no idea what happened. My current theorems:

     

    1. These latter two picks make sense IF they didn't get any kind of discount from Boras and Lewis. That is certainly possible.

     

    2. Their choice got sniped sometime before 35. Either the agent they were working with didn't get the word out or a team saved money someplace else.

     

    3. They couldn't come to agreement with Carlson (who seemed to be the obvious pick).

     

    Anything I'm missing?

    They got the top talent at 1. A stud at 35 and huge upside at 37? If Carlson was obvious he lasted many picks later to a team with no $$ leverage.

     

    This is a great draft, and going to get better

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    My thought the last few weeks is these pitchers aren't good enough go with the top position player.  Maybe in the end Lewis isn't under slot because he actually is good.  we've been chasing pitchers like NFL teams chase QB's and it's been a disaster.

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    Carlson was passed on by a lot of teams. Twins didn't miss on him, they and many others went a different direction. Twins don't have a proven history of developing pitchers. They do have for developing athletes that are position players. The pitching situation needs to be solved by f/a and trades. The need is too immediate and great to wait 3-5 years on a maybe.

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    I'm impressed by the evaluation skills of people on this board who know nothing about any of these hs arms other than a quick glance at a ba ranking.

     

    For context, the average difference between the 30 pick and 100 pick is less than 1 WAR a career, so these rankings are more academic than anything. There is so little surface difference between Leach and Carlson, is it really worth this angst? Or the pretending that you actually know the difference between them?

     

    I suspect the savings is going to be used to load up on hs arms. The majority won't really be heard from, but if 1 or 2 hit, it is a very successful draft strategy.

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    I think people on this thread need to take a breath, step back and look at the big picture:

     

    1.  Best athlete prep in the country from the best baseball state at number 1.

     

    2.  Best college bat in the country at number 2.

     

    3.  Best pitcher in Canada who looks like a Corey Kluber clone at number 3.

     

    These guys study things during the day, like advanced analytics, historical trends, body types, spin rates, and other factors.

     

    They got this.

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    I think people on this thread need to take a breath, step back and look at the big picture:

     

    1. Best athlete prep in the country from the best baseball state at number 1.

     

    2. Best college bat in the country at number 2.

     

    3. Best pitcher in Canada who looks like a Corey Kluber clone at number 3.

     

    These guys study things during the day, like advanced analytics, historical trends, body types, spin rates, and other factors.

     

    They got this.

    I agree, seems like a very solid draft to me so far. And they have more money to throw around to increase depth in later rounds, especially hs arms.

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    This is a draft that has a lot of us mystified.  Maybe the new FO has a theory that drafting pitchers high is a crap shoot and that the best position players(Cubs have used this strategy since Epstein took over).  

    2.  Pohlad has agreed to buy FA pitchers as Twins will need them sooner or later

    3.  Position players are weaker in the Twins farm system and maybe some of the outfielders and a couple of prospects will be traded for pitching help with some of these their replacements(most will arrive about the time current crop leaves).

    4.  Twins may only see the money to sign 1 - 2 of their current young players(Sano for sure, hopefully), so use this last chance to upgrade position players for the future.

     

    We do not know the plan, but will reserve judgement until after this offseason and see if the checkbook opens for significant pitching reinforcements. 

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    As much as you want guys to be sure thing pitchers there are very few.  Look at Strasburg who is as close as it gets a ton of injuries and at this stage ERA's in the mid 3's in the NL the last 3 years after getting rocked pretty hard last night.  Clearly in hindsight I'd still take Strasburg over Lewis but position players seem to play up to there drat position more so then pitchers at the top of the draft.  Plus i like the idea of busting like Buxton (so far) rather then busting like a #5 starter.  Pitchers can't really give you a little position players can.

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    Looks like the fake news was that Rooker will turn 22... He is 22, and will turn 23 this year.

     

    The hope is he's a fast riser who could get a cup of coffee in September next year.. Guess they found their DH since he won't have a lot of time to develop defensively. 

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    The hope is he's a fast riser who could get a cup of coffee in September next year.. Guess they found their DH since he won't have a lot of time to develop defensively. 

     

    Based on how fast they've promoted players this year, do you really believe this will happen?

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    Based on how fast they've promoted players this year, do you really believe this will happen?

     

    What matters is how good he is. If he can really hit, the Twins are not going to just lock him in the low minors for years. They have been somewhat conservative with promoting minor league relievers, but other than that I don't see who they are holding back?

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    I think people on this thread need to take a breath, step back and look at the big picture:

     

    1.  Best athlete prep in the country from the best baseball state at number 1.

     

    2.  Best college bat in the country at number 2.

     

    3.  Best pitcher in Canada who looks like a Corey Kluber clone at number 3.

     

    These guys study things during the day, like advanced analytics, historical trends, body types, spin rates, and other factors.

     

    They got this.

     

    Best curveball spin rate out of high school is still available today: Blayne Enlow.

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    I'm going to guess that Leach isn't going to sign for much under slot, if at all, especially if he was talking that he wanted to go to college.  Maybe they will spend money on him.

     

    Seems to have a good scouting report.

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    I'm impressed by the evaluation skills of people on this board who know nothing about any of these hs arms other than a quick glance at a ba ranking.

    For context, the average difference between the 30 pick and 100 pick is less than 1 WAR a career, so these rankings are more academic than anything. There is so little surface difference between Leach and Carlson, is it really worth this angst? Or the pretending that you actually know the difference between them?

    I suspect the savings is going to be used to load up on hs arms. The majority won't really be heard from, but if 1 or 2 hit, it is a very successful draft strategy.

    Dude, stop trying to calm me down. I got angst and your thoughtful prose is killing it.

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    Maybe Pohlad has promised to buy the pitching needed.  Is that possible?

    My best guess is we will package 2 of our AA arms to get a proven starting pitcher  at the deadline. During the off season, I believe we will sign a free agent in the 3 year, 45-50M range. Having the front of the rotation set with Santana and Berrios is huge. We have the money and prospects to fill out 3,4,5.

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    My best guess is we will package 2 of our AA arms to get a proven starting pitcher  at the deadline. During the off season, I believe we will sign a free agent in the 3 year, 45-50M range. Having the front of the rotation set with Santana and Berrios is huge. We have the money and prospects to fill out 3,4,5.

    Santana is a #3 usually and Berrios has an upside of a #2.  We still need that ace, rest can be filled out by farm system.  I am OK if Pohlad spends the money this winter to fix the bullpen(short term) and get us that ace or very good #2 starter.  Just would be anti-Twins to do this.

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    My best guess is we will package 2 of our AA arms to get a proven starting pitcher  at the deadline. During the off season, I believe we will sign a free agent in the 3 year, 45-50M range. Having the front of the rotation set with Santana and Berrios is huge. We have the money and prospects to fill out 3,4,5.

     

    I wasn't aware we had two AA arms that together could nab a top of the rotation starter. If that were the case then I hope they pull the trigger sooner than later before any more arms fall off down there.

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    I wasn't aware we had two AA arms that together could nab a top of the rotation starter. If that were the case then I hope they pull the trigger sooner than later before any more arms fall off down there.

    He said proven starter, not top of the rotation starter.

     

    Personally, I'd strongly consider trying to move Dozier for pitching. If that doesn't work, then I'd default to considering Gordon and one of Gonsalves/Romero for pitching.

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    He said proven starter, not top of the rotation starter.

     

    Personally, I'd strongly consider trying to move Dozier for pitching. If that doesn't work, then I'd default to considering Gordon and one of Gonsalves/Romero for pitching.

     

    Who will you get better than them, that is controllable for more than 2 years? Because I'm not trading Gordon and a SP in AA for a rental. I'm not even trading Gordon alone for a rental. No way.

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    Who will you get better than them, that is controllable for more than 2 years? Because I'm not trading Gordon and a SP in AA for a rental. I'm not even trading Gordon alone for a rental. No way.

    No, it'd need to be a controlled guy. No rentals that aren't relievers this season.

     

    If it takes more than that - and it might - then start the discussions there.

     

    But Gordon is going to close out this season as a top 50 guy (maybe a top 30 guy) provided he doesn't get injured. He's a prized commodity at 21 years old, .880 OPS in AA, with his defensive acumen.

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    Wouldn't you rather have the Hunter Greene story to follow over the next few years regardless of his riskier developmental outlook? What fun that would be!

    For the record here, yes, I would have preferred Greene.  I thought he could have been elite at either position, while with McKay I was skeptic at both positions. 

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