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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

    https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/873296225642176513

    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    Have the Twins drafted a Boras client with their first pick before?

    Yep, he didn't sign. Travis Lee was the last one, I believe. But we also took Belcher 1/1 and he didn't sign either. I very much doubt that the new regime is going to want Boras clients in the locker room trying to get Sano and Buxton to change agents. 

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    Statistically, he may be the best at both.

     

    I think all of them are a bit of a crap shoot, and I haven't seen any of them pitch.   Given it's year one of the new crew, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (there is a one year limit on this :) )

    Could be true, but stats should be immaterial in a first year player draft, imo. We should be evaluating who has the best chance to become the top pitcher in the group. Personally, I don't think we should care who has the best line to this point. Best tools and makeup are what we should be looking at. So far, I think that's Greene. 

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    Lewis would save money, for sure. His swing has too many holes for my liking. We would really have to nail the next few picks for me to be ok with this.

    Is Romero the pitcher that's super talented but had a legal issue?

     

    How would people feel about Lewis at 1 and Carlson/Romero at 35?

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    Is Romero the pitcher that's super talented but had a legal issue?

     

    How would people feel about Lewis at 1 and Carlson/Romero at 35?

    I'd be against that.  A guy like Carlson or Romero or Enlow might fall on their own. If we're going to try and mess with the draft, we have to aim for a guy like Baz or Adell to fall. I'm fairly confident that a top 15ish guy on some list will fall to 35 independently.  Buehler did it a few years ago, Hudson did it last year. 

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    Wright or Gore for me. I'd be pretty excited if Greene is picked as that would mean he was impressive when he was at Target Field recently and the front office believes in his secondary stuff. I do not want McKay unless he is signing for well under slot.

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    Number 1. If they aren't number 1, it was a bad draft. the 1:1 pick usually is in the top 25-40 overall in MiLB the day they are picked.

     

    Greene, Wright, and McKay would all be #1. Lewis would be #2 behind Gordon.  Gore I could see either way.

     

    Thanks for  the thoughts. Just curious about people's opinions. My personal feeling is that Gordon has done enough this season at AA to solidify his position as the Twins top prospect even after selection 1.1.

     

    I suspect/hope though that both #35 and #37 would be in the Twins top 10.  

     

     

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    Number 1. If they aren't number 1, it was a bad draft. the 1:1 pick usually is in the top 25-40 overall in MiLB the day they are picked.

    I get what you're saying, but the way Gordon has been hitting this year, he might be a top-25 prospect right now. In fact, if Gordon was a college junior and had a 1.200 OPS in the SEC (which is roughly what his current 153 wRC+ in AA would translate to), I think he would be the no doubt 1-1 pick ahead of McKay.

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    Thanks for  the thoughts. Just curious about people's opinions. My personal feeling is that Gordon has done enough this season at AA to solidify his position as the Twins top prospect even after selection 1.1.

     

    I suspect/hope though that both #35 and #37 would be in the Twins top 10.  

    If he keeps hitting like he has been so far this year, I tend to agree with you.

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    Thanks for  the thoughts. Just curious about people's opinions. My personal feeling is that Gordon has done enough this season at AA to solidify his position as the Twins top prospect even after selection 1.1.

     

    I suspect/hope though that both #35 and #37 would be in the Twins top 10.  

    Gordon is probably a top 30-40 prospect right now and we'll probably see that represented in the midseason updates that come out.  Greene, Wright and McKay will all be top 20 prospects. I think Lewis will be in the 40-60 range. Gore could be anywhere from 20-60, IMHO, depending on who is viewing him.

     

    Whoever we get at 35/37 will certainly be in the Twins top 10. If we get lucky and someone falls, we might get a top 100 type at 35, although unlikely.  

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    Jeremy Nygaard laid out an interesting scenario in which the Twins take Royce Lewis #1 in a Twitter thread. 

     

    https://twitter.com/jeremynygaard/status/873932994616197121

     

    The way he lays it out, the Twins would end up with a top end talent, also get a toolsy prep position player (which is something they do) and save a ton of money for another big pick with their 35th or 37th picks. It's interesting.

    This might actually be what happens tonight. Coming down to $$$ between McKay and Lewis. Though it might not be the names we'd all choose, this is the strategy fans have long clamored for.

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    Is Romero the pitcher that's super talented but had a legal issue?

     

    How would people feel about Lewis at 1 and Carlson/Romero at 35?

     

    Romero was kicked off the Houston team twice. Luke Heimlich is the pitcher with a legal issue - he's a registered sex offender - he's not going any time soon. 

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    This might actually be what happens tonight. Coming down to $$$ between McKay and Lewis. Though it might not be the names we'd all choose, this is the strategy fans have long clamored for.

    Except the rules are different, and seven teams pick a second time before the Twins....

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    I'd be against that.  A guy like Carlson or Romero or Enlow might fall on their own. If we're going to try and mess with the draft, we have to aim for a guy like Baz or Adell to fall. I'm fairly confident that a top 15ish guy on some list will fall to 35 independently.  Buehler did it a few years ago, Hudson did it last year. 

    If they could pull off Lewis at 1-1 and free up the money to get Baz to drop at 35... that's impressive. 

     

    Very impressive.

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    If they could pull off Lewis at 1-1 and free up the money to get Baz to drop at 35... that's impressive. 

     

    Very impressive.

     

    How likely could that happen when there are 7 teams with 2 picks before the Twins at 35? And with the bonus amounts more uniform than previous years?

     

    It sounds great on paper, but hard to pull it off in real life.  

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    How likely could that happen when there are 7 teams with 2 picks before the Twins at 35? And with the bonus amounts more uniform than previous years?

     

    It sounds great on paper, but hard to pull it off in real life.  

     

    I've been saying how hard it would be this year... yet everyone wants to talk about it.

     

    Then I suggest it's possible and everyone is like, "Nah... can't happen."

     

    I'd worry about the Rays cutting a deal, but not the other teams. Reds take Greene, they aren't banking much. The rest of the teams don't have nearly the pool the Twins do.

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    I'm really nervous about two-way players, but that's just my two cents without any supporting evidence.

    How often do teams let two-way players both continue to pitch and then also play on the field? Never? To me that means you no longer have the kid you drafted.

     

    Dave Cameron wrote about this today on FanGraphs... 

    "The Siren Call of the Two-Way Star"

     

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-siren-call-of-the-two-way-star/

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    I'm really nervous about two-way players, but that's just my two cents without any supporting evidence.

    How often do teams let two-way players both continue to pitch and then also play on the field? Never? To me that means you no longer have the kid you drafted.

     

    Never. 

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