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    Seth Stohs

    Happy MLB Draft Day 1, Twins fans!

    Since it became clear that the Minnesota Twins had the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft, which happened fairly early last September, the fandom has been very excited about who the Twins might be able to add at the top of the draft. That day has come.

    This purpose of this article is to be a place for several draft-related resources and links, and a place for fans to keep updated of rumors and rumblings throughout the day. We ask that if you see an article online or a tweet with a rumor or nugget, that you post it in the comments below.

    At 6:00 central time, the draft will officially start. Moments later, the Twins will make their much-anticipated draft selection. But that won’t be it for the night. The Twins also have the 35th and 37th overall picks as well. Twins Daily will post articles about those draft picks moments after they are made.

    Note also that we will have Day 2 and Day 3 articles. In those articles, we will post the Twins picks made those days. Those articles will be updated throughout those two days. Rounds 3 through 10 are on Tuesday, and Rounds 11 through 40 will take place on Wednesday.

    Image courtesy of University of Louisville Athletics (photos of Brendan McKay)

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    As you know, there will be a lot of rumors even throughout the day. It’s obviously a moving target. The reality is that there are likely a handful of people who know who the Twins will take at 1.1. At some point on Monday, they’ll have their decision.

    It will be based on a number of factors. First and foremost, it will be based on talent. The Twins will acquire a player with the first overall pick who has the potential and ability to be an all-star caliber player. That doesn’t always happen, of course, but the player will have the tools and such to become that.

    The Twins have likely seen each of the players in consideration for the top pick dozens upon dozens of times. The scouts, cross-checkers, and front office types are fully aware of what those players are as a player and as a person. They’ve had conversations with those players, their families, friends, teammates, coaches and others. For the college players, it’s likely they’ve been watching them for four to six years.

    The trick of course is looking at the player and all of the information on him and trying to project what that player will be in five to ten years. That is the part that isn’t a science, at least not yet.

    But science and technology has become more a part of the process. Many of the college programs have Trackman systems installed. Even some high schools are starting to get those. There is so much more information available.

    But the teams are also trying to figure out who can stay healthy. Drafting a pitcher comes with a bigger injury risk than drafting a hitter for obvious reasons.

    And, of course, dollars also come into play. It’s a strategy that has been used since the slotting system has been in the MLB draft. Most famously, the Astros were able to convince SS Carlos Correa to take millions less than the slot value for the #1 pick in 2012, and because of it, they were able to take RHP Lance McCullers and IF Rio Ruiz with their next two picks. As Jeremy has pointed out, the new draft slotting instituted this year makes it a bit more difficult to manipulate the draft, and since there are a handful of teams that have a second selection before the Twins, it could be difficult.

    THE NAMES

    At this stage, we pretty well know the names of the players the Twins are considering with the top pick.

    Louisville 1B/LHP Brendan McKay.

    Vanderbilt RHP Kyle Wright.

    Notre Dame HS (Sherman Oaks, CA) SS/RHP Hunter Greene.

    In my opinion, all three of these guys are "safe" picks, but for different reasons. McKay legitimately has two paths to big league success. He can be a top-of-rotation starting pitcher, or he could be a middle-of-the-lineup bat. Could he possibly be both? Kyle Wright, in my opinion, is the safest pick for starting pitchers because of his stuff and his size and his makeup and more. How is Hunter Greene a safe pick? Well, he's the guy that everyone seems to believe is the best prospect. If the Twins took him and he didn't make it, most in the industry would say that the Twins were still right in shooting for the moon with such an elite talent.

    The bold pick, in my opinion, would be taking MacKenzie Gore. Many believe he is the best prep pitcher, with a mid-90s fastball and good secondary pitches.

    Most believe that those three are the guys most in consideration for the Twins first pick. However, if guys like MacKenzie Gore or Royce Lewis are willing to accept less money, they could still fit into the equation. While those two have not been talked about as much as the three listed above, they are both very talented. They are also both Scott Boras guys. Normally that might mean they’re guys to stay away from. However, Boras wants to maximize what his clients can get, so if they can make a little more than what they believe they will get by falling in the draft, maybe something could be worked out.

    MOST RECENT PERFORMANCES

    With both Louisville and Vanderbilt playing in Super Regionals, they pitched on Saturday. Here are their final lines:

    Brendan McKay (vs Kentucky): 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 walks, 9 strikeouts. Fastball was 89-94, with impressive curveball, slider, and cutter too.

    Kyle Wright (vs Oregon State): 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 7 earned runs, 3 walks, 8 strikeouts. Fastball was 90-95, with an impressive curveball and changeup. He mixes those pitches well also.

    Hunter Greene hasn’t played lately (and hasn't pitched for a month or more), but he did come to Target Field on Friday for a workout. As you would expect, he was quite impressive. He is clearly the guy who would show up highest on prospect rankings because of the fastball and his athleticism and makeup.

    https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/873296225642176513

    While the Twins had people at all of those performances, it’s important to remember that each performance is just one data point on a chart that likely has 100s of dots on it. In other words, just because Wright’s line looked bad (and was bad), it isn’t likely to sway the Twins brass either way.

    TWINS DAILY DRAFT CONTENT

    Draft Profiles: MacKenzie Gore, Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Brendan McKay, Pavin Smith, Kyle Wright, and potential Minnesotans in the Draft.

    Jeremy provided a Draft Preview in which he discussed the slot values of each pick and overall. He wrote about the possibility of the Twins taking advantage of the slotting system to acquire more high-end talent.

    Seth caught up with ESPN’s Keith Law about the names at the top of the first round. Cody wondered if not drafting Hunter Greene could come back to haunt them. Nick wrote why Kyle Wright might be The Wright Fit for the Twins, considering his timeline.

    TWINS DAILY PREDICTIONS

    Here are some quick thoughts from Twins Daily writers:

    Seth Stohs:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Kyle Wright, 3.) MacKenzie Gore, 4.) Royce Lewis, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Probably Kyle Wright.

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Brendan McKay

    I'd love to see the Twins get creative and find a way to save seven figures on their #1 pick. Hunter Greene is the most intriguing. Kyle Wright is probably the safest pitcher to pick. I'd be very curious to see if Derek Falvey would truly let McKay hit and pitch on his way up the ladder to really possibly be a big league two-way player. If he can do that, I'm all on board. I also really, really like Gore and Lewis and if the Twins can convince Boras to cut back a couple million from slot, I'd have no problem with them either.

    Nick Nelson:

    What is the definition of a "safe pick"? On the one hand, you could easily apply that description to someone like Kyle Wright or Brendan McKay – collegiate superstars and prototypical top-of-draft talents. On the other hand, isn't Hunter Greene the safest pick when you really think about it? He ranks first on almost every analyst's board. He's a media sensation and will generate tremendous buzz for the franchise. If he fizzles out, the Twins aren't going to look silly; they made the choice most people in the industry viewed as obvious. But that will be of little consolation if his development stalls exactly as they foresaw in their evaluations.

    I guess at the end of the day, there really is no safe pick.

    My Top Five:

    1. Hunter Greene

    2. Kyle Wright

    3. MacKenzie Gore

    4. Brendan McKay

    5. Royce Lewis

    Cody Christie:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings: 1.) Hunter Greene, 2.) Royce Lewis, 3.) Kyle Wright, 4.) MacKenzie Gore, 5.) Brendan McKay

    Who Would You Take? Hunter Greene

    Who Do You Think The Twins Will Take? Kyle Wright

    I’ve always put a higher value on younger players with a ton of potential. That was one of the reasons I had Miguel Sano number one on my prospect list while he was still playing in the rookie leagues. Greene has impressed me every step of the way. The more I hear about him, the more I want him to be part of the Twins organization. Lewis is also a raw talent that the Twins could develop over the next decade. He could be a mainstay in their line-up for years to come. Wright is the safest and I think that’s the direction the club will go.

    Tom Froemming:

    Personal Top 5 Rankings (as prospects): 1) Hunter Greene, 2) MacKenzie Gore, 3) Kyle Wright, 4) Brendan McKay, 5) Royce Lewis

    Who Would You Take? Greene

    Who Do You Think Will The Twins Take? Greene

    Have you seen a single big board that didn’t have Hunter Greene on top? I’ve heard all the rumors saying the Twins are going another direction, but I’m not buying it. Greene is the best athlete and has the highest ceiling. Sure, that comes with a scary floor/bust potential, but the opportunity to acquire a talent like this isn’t going to come around every year. On the other hand, I look at those top five names and don’t see a single bad pick. I’ll understand if the Twins pass on Greene, especially if that means they net more talent with the 35th and 37th picks.

    NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Here are some of the most recent draft player rankings and some mock drafts.

    DOLLARS AND SENSE

    Here the slot values for the Twins picks in the top ten rounds.

    1st overall (Round 1): $7,770,700

    35th overall (Comp Round A): $1,935,300

    37th overall (Round 2): $1,846,100

    76th overall (Round 3): $755,500

    106th overall (Round 4): $507,000

    136th overall (Round 5): $378,700

    166th overall (Round 6): $283,300

    196th overall (Round 7): $220,700

    226th overall (Round 8): $174,400

    256th overall (Round 9): $148,000

    286th overall (Round 10): $137,100

    ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

    Until the Twins officially make their announcement, it’s hard to know with complete certainty what the Twins will do. Consider six weeks ago, everyone assumed that Hunter Greene was the easy choice at #1. Starting about a month ago, people believed that Kyle Wright was the top choice. Then suddenly on Friday, about 12 hours after writing that Wright would go #1, mlb.com’s Jim Callis posted a new mock draft in which he said the Twins were planning to take McKay with the top pick.

    That’s why this Day 1 thread is here. We want the comments to be filled with everything that’s out there as things are subject to change even throughout the day.

    Again, moments after the Twins make their first pick, we’ll have an article, and we can discuss the player that the Twins take (and presumably many will write about the players the Twins did not take) with the first overall pick.

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    The devil is going to be in the details. If their strategy gets money that allows them to sign some prospect considerably up the chart from 35 and 37, you can argue that they did both: mitigate risk by getting more talented guys AND chased upside by getting higher quality players. 

    I understand this strategy, but it sounds like the guys after picks #20-25 have a sharp drop-off in talent. Will there be higher quality players there?

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    Here's a little B Mac over optimistic scenario to break up the anxiety over his selection at 1-1

     

    Drafted 1-1 by Twins

    CWS Game 1 - 3-5 Double, 3 RBI's GW HR in 6-5 win

    CWS Game 2 - 7 IP 8K's 0BB 0ER, 2-5 2RBI's in 6-2 win

    CWS Game 3 - 1-6 GW Walk-off Single in 4-3 win

    CWS Game 4 - 3-5 HR 3R in 7-2 win

    CWS Game 5 - 7 IP 6K's 0BB 2ER, 2-3 2IBB HR 3RBI's in 6-3 Champions

     

    Reports to Ft. Myers

    Bats clean-up for remainder of season slashes 312/382/486

    Miracle make 2nd half playoffs and win FSL Playoffs

     

    2018 - Begins at Chattanooga

    Pitching Line

    W  L  ERA  RAvg IP      BB SO  WHIP  H9  BB9  SO9  SO/W
    10  3 2.13   2.31  101.1 44 121 1.036  5.4  3.9    10.7   2.75

    Slashes  .303/.365/.469

     

    2019 Mauer Retires...McKay takes over at 1B

     

    Rotation:

    Berrios

    Otani

    Gonsalves

    McKay

    Gibson (the guy just won't go away)

     

    Now back to our previously scheduled debate on who is the best 1:1

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    Another honest question for a mid market team.

     

    If you sign a college guy, wouldn't you likely have them through age 29-30 and a good portion of their prime. Sign a high school guy who might come up at 20-21 and you have them until 27-28 losing a few years of their prime. Is it a consideration?

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    KLAW says he hears he's off most (many?) boards now.

    Yeah, I know. Character/public relations, etc. is important, and drafting a registered sex offender and convicted child molester is the opposite of that.

     

    He is a 2nd/3rd round talent, but is that level of talent worth the headache and backlash? I think it isn't, and teams that have taken him off their draft boards would agree (more than 3, I think). But there are probably a few teams out there that are viewing this as an opportunity to add a decent prospect for a discounted rate. I say that without knowing his $ demands.

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    To me, getting a #3 (or worse) pitcher at 1:1 IS a failure. So, I don't really care who has the higher floor.

    Even the Twins can afford to get a 3 or 4 in free agency. And those guys can be gotten in the 2nd or 3rd round.

    The only way the Twins can get a 1 or really good 2 is through the draft.

    So, for me it would come down to odds that a guy can be a 2 or better.

     

    My board would be:

     

    1)Greene

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    2)Gore

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    3)Wright

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    4)Lewis

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    5)McKay as a hitter.

     

    I wouldn't have McKay as a pitcher in my top 30.

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    I don't. It would be pointless to try and work Greene this way. He seems locked in at #2.

     

    They still might take him (though it's unlikely), but it does seem they are shopping around for the best deal of value for cost. Probably not the worst strategy when there is no clear cut #1.

    I don't advocate the following at all, but am throwing it out there to measure opinions in the room:

     

    What if the Twins take someone who will likely be an expensive sign at 1-1 (Greene, let's say) and hold firm on an asking price we'll below slot? If he signs, excellent. If he doesn't, they get a high pick and the entailed bonus money next year, when there's likely more talent atop the draft. Again, I don't think they should do this. Just a thought.

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    I don't advocate the following at all, but am throwing it out there to measure opinions in the room:

    What if the Twins take someone who will likely be an expensive sign at 1-1 (Greene, let's say) and hold firm on an asking price we'll below slot? If he signs, excellent. If he doesn't, they get a high pick and the entailed bonus money next year, when there's likely more talent atop the draft. Again, I don't think they should do this. Just a thought.

     

    passing on a pick is a bad idea. Not one former member of a FO is for it on the internet, not one. You can't afford to punt on 1:1. 

     

    what if the draft next year is bad again? What if they guys you really want get hurt? 

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    I don't advocate the following at all, but am throwing it out there to measure opinions in the room:

    What if the Twins take someone who will likely be an expensive sign at 1-1 (Greene, let's say) and hold firm on an asking price we'll below slot? If he signs, excellent. If he doesn't, they get a high pick and the entailed bonus money next year, when there's likely more talent atop the draft. Again, I don't think they should do this. Just a thought.

    It certainly works in theory. It's what I think they should of done with Blake Rutherford last year. It get's a little tricky though because you have to consider your reputation with agents and players. You don't want to burn those bridges without a good reason. The Astro's got a lot of bad press about low balling Aiken, but they were later shown to be right.

    I would say when drafting 1-1 it's much better to have a deal in place before the draft. You have plenty of time to do it.

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    I don't advocate the following at all, but am throwing it out there to measure opinions in the room:

    What if the Twins take someone who will likely be an expensive sign at 1-1 (Greene, let's say) and hold firm on an asking price we'll below slot? If he signs, excellent. If he doesn't, they get a high pick and the entailed bonus money next year, when there's likely more talent atop the draft. Again, I don't think they should do this. Just a thought.

    Because you'd lose the value of the pick. Let's say Twins take Greene and say, sign for 2m less then slot. Even if he does that, he's not going to agree until 5 minutes before the deadline which gives you very little time to get that 2m spread to other signees. And if he pulls out after you've allocated those dollars, you lose your picks next year. This almost happened to the Astros with Jacob Nix.

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    Is anyone else having a problem getting the draft to stream? I can't get it to play. Coverage started at 6 pm ET right?

    I've had problems with my stream. The page will randomly refresh back to the mlb.com home page

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    As intriguing as Greene is, isn't anyone skeptical about going 1.1 on a pitcher that only threw 28 innings?  I mean, aside from having a lightning bolt for a right arm, what else is there possibly to glean from that?  

     

    I realize that minimal wear & tear on his arm could eventually be a good thing, but still...

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    Oh I know exactly what they meant but if the team takes someone they don't identify as the BPA in order to hopefully get a draftee faller then yes it's being cheap.  And they better spend their allotment (14,156,800) and then a little more as they can go up to 5% over (so ~14.8M) before they're penalized a draft pick.

     

    That's not being cheap, that's using a common strategy. It's saying that you see little difference between two guys at the top and one saves you the money to get something better down the line. It's not cheap, it's strategy.

     

    The only way you could accuse the Twins of being cheap is if at the end of the day they don't spend their draft money. That seems unlikely. You can disagree with the choices they make but calling them cheap shows an ignorance of how the MLB draft works.

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    Yeah, I'm not too upset about passing on Greene. I wanted a college pitcher so I'll be ok with McKay. I might want three college pitchers, depending on how the draft falls.

    I want them to draft Greene, but I'm with you. Any of these guys has a chance to be elite. Mckay has chances on both sides of the ball. It's all about getting the odds in your favor. If you do that enough you will be a contender.

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