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  • Twins Acquire RHP Sam Dyson from Giants


    Seth Stohs

    According to Tommy Birch from the Des Moines Register, the Twins have acquired Giants relief pitcher Sam Dyson from the Giants.

    The Twins traded OF Jaylin Davis and right-handed pitchers Kai-Wei Teng and Prelander Berroa.

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    In 49 games (51 innings), 31-year-old Sam Dyson is 4-1 with a 2.47 ERA and a 0.90 WHIP He's got seven walks and 47 strikeouts. Dyson also has one more year of arbitration remaining.

    The Twins had need in the bullpen and they added two arms that can work in the late innings.

    Jaylin Davis was well on his way to Twins Minor League Hitter of the Year this season. He began in AA Pensacola. He moved up to Rochester where he has hit over .330 and 15 homers in 41 games. Overall, he's not 25 homers in 99 games.

    Kai-Wei Teng, a righty from Taiwan, joined the Kernels less than two months ago. He was 4-0 with a 1.60 ERA in 9 games (8 starts). He was flashing 96 mph with his fastball.

    Prelander Berroa was the Elizabethton Twins opening day starter. The hard-throwing 19-year-old was 2-1 with a 4.55 ERA. He had 37 strikeouts in 31 2/3 innings.

    The Twins got better today.

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    Just a thought, but if a guy signs with Los Angeles the first time he has control over his own destiny, then signs with Phoenix the next time he has control over his own destiny, then accepts a trade to Houston but says he would not have accepted a trade to Minnesota or Boston or New York, one working theory is that he doesn't enjoy cold Aprils or Octobers. It might not be complicated!

     

    It's certainly possible! 

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    The Greinke deal looks really good for 2019 but one has to ask what this does to the Astros in 2020 and beyond.

     

    Hard to see them keeping Cole, for example.

    Depends how they structure it. Greinke and Verlander are both only signed 2 more years, and Cole will sign for a lot longer than that, so there will be some opportunity to backload. They will probably start paying a luxury tax penalty next year but they are still pretty far under the top penalty threshold, which seems to be the only one anyone worries about these days (and even Boston has passed that).

     

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KggX-IVrw6TywbOR6OIooQyxAY1MpTlnq88PqnNkuWQ/pubhtml

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    I lived in Houston for 10 years. Houston is a huge sports city but they can tend to be a bit fair weather, it's not like the die hard sports cities in the north east. Texans have the largest following and the games really are sell outs, you might be seeing games that aren't competitive, fans tend to leave early for everything. Also a ton of corporations buy up a bunch of seats and give them to employees so a bunch of non fans go. As far as the Astros go the majority of the state doesn't really ascribe to a team. I grew up in Austin and I know a few Rangers and a Few Astros fans but most people just don't really follow any team. Move out further west and practically no one would care.

     

    Based on a few friends and colleagues, I'd say it's more of a Rocket's town... Flip side is that with it's population base, it's still a high revenue baseball town. 

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    It's like people are not reading what I'm saying at all.....

    I think it's more that it's an unanswerable question without some direct input from Grienke himself. I mean, we can all throw out guesses, even plausible guesses, so I don't think anyone is really going to be able to even talk about it legitimately, and will only answer ... well ... emotionally, I guess?

     

    The shorter response is ... no one, except Grienke and maybe his agent, knows the reason

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    The no trade clause just means that Greinke would have to be involved in the trade discussions and/or approve the trade. Until I hear it from Greinke that he would have nixed a trade to the Twins, if there was one offered, I take this as just another writer trying to be somebody on twitter. 

     

    Not to state the obvious, but you will never hear from Greinke on that one.

     

    He had us on his list for a reason. We checked into it last winter and that reason still stood. If it was as simple as "you guys suck" then I think this conversation would have been had again. The fact of the matter is that this was discussed last winter when we were not projected to be this good (and our revenue was much less certain).

     

    If money wasn't an object then, it wasn't today when the team is winning and getting more revenue.. This looks like Occam's razor to me. 

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    Based on a few friends and colleagues, I'd say it's more of a Rocket's town... Flip side is that with it's population base, it's still a high revenue baseball town.

     

    Right now it's a Rockets town because they're good, same with the Astros right now. Before the Harden trade you could get Rockets tickets for $5 and the place was half full. Same with 'Stros, I remember buying $3 outfield tickets and sneaking into the good seats because no one cared. Now that they're good everyone acts like they've been Rockets/Astros fans for life but there were times I couldn't pay these same people to go with me to a game. Texans is kind of another story, tickets are always really expensive regardless of if they're good or not and it's kind of a place to be seen. Again though, lots of people not paying attention and leaving at halftime Edited by twinsfanstreif
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    Just a thought, but if a guy signs with Los Angeles the first time he has control over his own destiny, then signs with Phoenix the next time he has control over his own destiny, then accepts a trade to Houston but says he would not have accepted a trade to Minnesota or Boston or New York, one working theory is that he doesn't enjoy cold Aprils or Octobers. He can't control road games, but it might not be complicated!

    It's maybe not quite that simple. He left off Milwaukee (dome, I guess), but included Toronto. He also left off Cleveland but included Cincinnati. Also left off both Chicago teams, Pittsburgh, and the Mets (but not Yankees). And he included all of the California teams...

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    And why do you think he'd block coming to MN? He just hates MN that much, or maybe the Twins organization has something to do with it?

    Some players who have a limited no-trade clause select precisely the teams that would figure to acquire him. The idea is that they can get an extension or a bonus for accepting a trade to a team on the list. Sometimes a no-trade is ironclad, sometimes it isn't. 

     

    Verlander, for instance, had a no-trade, but ended up accepting a trade to Houston.

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    Because it was reported that he didn’t want to come here. The thing about conspiracy theorists is that they refuse to accept ordinary facts while uncritically accepting absurdities. Once someone has a narrative they think explains everything (e.g. everything we hear about player transactions indicates cheapness or inaction or whatever), then everything becomes evidence of that narrative.

    The most plausible explanation is the ordinary one—that the twins asked about him and he didn’t want to come here.

     

    I think we need to move away from calling it a conspiracy theory just for a second. That falls into the labeling category that Carole talked about in that pinned notice up top. I'm saying as a mod that this is not a smart way to argue it and one that will eventually lead down a path that will need to be squelched. 

     

    Look, I believe in quite a few conspiracies... because at the end of the day, you can weigh plenty of objective evidence on them and note that what is told doesn't match up to what we know of the evidence... and people in power/influence most definitely use it as a CYA. There are plenty that fall into that range. Like you, I agree that this isn't one of them. I don't, however, think you're doing anyone any benefit by framing it in that way. 

     

    All we know is that Greinke didn't want to come here. We know the Twins checked in on it. We don't know WHY Zach didn't want to come here, because he didn't tell us. There isn't much in terms of logical conclusions we can come to, so let's not try to reinforce our point by labeling our opponents. 

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    The Twins' share of those three states add up to less than a million people.

     

    The Houston metro area alone has 1.5 million more people than the entire state of Minnesota.

     

    Sure but population does not equal market size.   Market size is population times per capita GDP.  The Twins cities are about 20% bigger market than Houston.  2010 data from here, but I bet they will be in the ballpark now as well:

     

    Houston–Galveston–Brazoria, Texas CMSA  4,669,571 pop  $21,701 per capita GDP. Total market size: 101,339 MM
    Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, Minnesota MSA  3,478,415 pop  $35,388 per capita GDP.  TMS: 123,094 MM

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    Depends how they structure it. Greinke and Verlander are both only signed 2 more years, and Cole will sign for a lot longer than that, so there will be some opportunity to backload. They will probably start paying a luxury tax penalty next year but they are still pretty far under the top penalty threshold, which seems to be the only one anyone worries about these days (and even Boston has passed that).

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KggX-IVrw6TywbOR6OIooQyxAY1MpTlnq88PqnNkuWQ/pubhtml

     

    Assuming Cole decides to resign

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    I will take it - two proven veteran relievers. Right now, a starting pitcher is only going to have about 12 more starts in the regular season. I'll take a solid reliever who will get into at least twice that many games.  The Yankees seem to believe they can 'make it' with a starting pitching staff that averages 4 innings per game - I'd rather be the Twins getting more like 6.

     

    You can certainly disagree, but I'd argue that Perez could have been that solid reliever.

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    It's maybe not quite that simple. He left off Milwaukee (dome, I guess), but included Toronto. He also left off Cleveland but included Cincinnati. Also left off both Chicago teams, Pittsburgh, and the Mets (but not Yankees). And he included all of the California teams...

    Of course. But we're not looking for one reason that covers all. And weather is a completely plausible reason for some, including MN.

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    It's like people are not reading what I'm saying at all.....

     

    He read it. You're assigning blame to the FO for Greinke putting us on his NTC despite having nothing from Greinke explaining why. You're right that he doesn't want to be here. It's the why...

     

    It's the same fallacy. It's no different than assuming Sano is lazy because he's big or whatever other big debate we have today... You're coming to a conclusion and most of what you have to back it is... well, weak. 

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    He read it. You're assigning blame to the FO for Greinke putting us on his NTC despite having nothing from Greinke explaining why. You're right that he doesn't want to be here. It's the why...

     

    It's the same fallacy. It's no different than assuming Sano is lazy because he's big or whatever other big debate we have today... You're coming to a conclusion and most of what you have to back it is... well, weak. 

     

    I said Twins organization. I said it is likely they are part of the reason. I actually never said only reason. What is the MOST LIKELY reason? Since, he does have cold weather cities not on his list......

     

    And no, it's not the same as saying Sano is lazy, not even a little. 

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    Were any impact arms even traded today?

     

    Other than Greinke, of course. But he wasn’t coming here.

    Perhaps trades aren't the best avenue to bank on improvement for the team...

     

    I hear there's a period of time in the winter where teams only have to spend money to acquire players!

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    Perhaps trades aren't the best avenue to bank on improvement for the team...

    I hear there's a period of time in the winter where teams only have to spend money to acquire players!

     

    Heck, I think they could have done that after the draft this year too.

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    Fine. I don’t know why Grienke didn’t come here. Maybe it’s because a lot of MN sports fans spend more time trashing their teams than cheering for them. That’s just one thought. Or maybe maybe he has nightmares about being put into the cereal at General Mills.

    Fear of being stabbed by a polar bear?

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    Perhaps trades aren't the best avenue to bank on improvement for the team...

    I hear there's a period of time in the winter where teams only have to spend money to acquire players!

    The MLB has gotten weird lately, free agency is now a dead period where teams refuse to sign veteran players, August trades are banned and the trade deadline suddenly becomes constipated, young players are signing deals to prolong team control (in some situations, giving up tons of future $$$ for less amounts now), and bad teams like the Mets and Reds are coming away with two of the deadline's best three starters.

     

    Seems like teams are holding on to their money and prospects more tightly than in past years. But in my book, it seems Falvine doesn't like taking risks, and that's pretty disappointing.

     

     

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