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  • Trade Deadline: What if the Twins Do Nothing?


    Seth Stohs

    Happy Trade Deadline Day, Twins Fans! This should be a fun day as the Twins find themselves Buyers at the deadline for the first time in a decade. I fully expect the Twins to acquire at least one pitcher before today’s 3 p.m. (central time) deadline, but what if they don’t? What if they stand pat?

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    On Tuesday night, Cleveland finally traded All Star starting pitcher Trevor Bauer. Typically that move would be seen as the team selling, but in this case, I do believe that they got better. They have pitching, and seem to keep calling pitchers up who do well. Shane Bieber and Zach Plesac are two guys who fit into that mold. They also should be getting Corey Kluber back in the near future.

    Their need was offense, and they added two powerful outfielders in Yasiel Puig and Franmil Reyes in the three-team swap. They also added LHP Logan Allen, a Top 100 prospect, and two more minor leaguers.

    It was a very creative move for Cleveland. The Twins were very creative in their acquisition of Sergio Romo over the weekend. Not only did the Twins receive the veteran reliever, but they also received hard-throwing RHP Chris Vallimont and a Player to be Named Later for slugging first base prospect Lewin Diaz.

    On its own, the Twins made a really, creative, savvy move to improve their bullpen and improve the team. Twins fans have generally felt that the trade was good for the Twins, though that thought always comes with the “as long as it isn’t the only move they make by the deadline.”

    But what if it is? What if Sergio Romo is the only player that the Twins add? What will it mean? Here are my thoughts.

    DISAPPOINTMENT

    First and foremost, Twins fans will and rightfully should feel disappointment. On the basic level, it’s always fun to acquire talent. It doesn’t even have to be elite talent, but just make the team better. Let's just say, #TwinsTwitter will not handle it well, for sure!

    On another level, Derek Falvey and Thad Levine have consistently said that when the Twins window to compete for championships opens, they will pounce. Well, the window is wide open. This team has the talent to compete, not only for the American League Central title but also for a World Series. They have won two of six games against the Yankees this year, and probably should have won two more of those games. They won four of their seven matchups with the Astros this year. They currently have an edge on Cleveland this year too. Those are the top teams in the American League, and the team should absolutely feel like they can compete for an American League pennant. And hey, if you get to the World Series, you have a chance.

    So Twins fans will absolutely have every right to be disappointed and even upset if nothing is done.

    HOWEVER…

    This is a very good team as is, as shown by their performance so far this year against the top teams in the league. Their lineup can compete with anyone. They can slug with the best. Pitching has been the issue although even that hasn’t been as bad as we may think. The starters rank in the top the top third of the league in most statistics. Some of that is because their #4 (Perez) and #5 (Pineda) have been better than most 4s and 5s around the league. Jose Berrios is approaching Ace level. Jake Odorizzi was an All Star for his strong start, but he has been more inconsistent of late. Kyle Gibson’s been good at times but also a bit inconsistent. Not adding a starter would just mean that these guys would need to step it up down the stretch. But would the Twins have a top three or top four that you could feel good about going into the playoffs?

    And the bullpen has been better than expected, though a lot of that is because of Taylor Rogers. Sergio Romo stepped in as the 8th inning guy last night in his Twins debut. Tyler Duffey has returned to an intriguing bullpen option. Ryne Harper has been a big surprise. Trevor May was doing well until the 0-2 curveball in Cleveland, but he has the stuff to dominate and will need to find that again.

    And then some young guys. Cody Stashak had a moment in the Yankees series. Sean Poppen reeling off 96-97 mph fastballs with a strong slider could be great for the team down the stretch. And if Will Smith and Felipe Vasquez are unavailable, I don’t think there is an available left-handed reliever that I would feel better about than giving Lewis Thorpe an opportunity. And Devin Smeltzer is available as well. The concern with them is their lack of MLB experience, obviously.

    In addition, Fernando Romero has been much improved of late in Rochester. And as it appears the odds of Cody Allen helping the Twins down the stretch is waning, flamethrower Brusdar Graterol returned to the mound on Monday for his first rehab appearance. Maybe he and his 101-mph fastball can help. Jorge Alcala and his triple-digit fastball pitched out of the bullpen in his most-recent outing.

    SUMMARY

    So, while I still think it is very likely that the Twins make one or two moves before the trade deadline, and this article will be all for naught, it is important for Twins fans to stand by a team that has put themselves in this position. Absolutely, be disappointed that nothing was done, but hopefully you’ll be able to quickly shift your attention back to the fact that this team, as it is currently put together, can win the division. And, if you are under the opinion (as I mostly am) that the playoffs are mostly a crapshoot, then you should still believe that the Twins can win in the playoffs too.

    All that said… Come On, Twins… Make a Move!

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    Man I wonder what crazy offer they made to get Gallen.  He had a ton of control left.

     

    Sounds like the DBacks sent SS prospect Jazz Chisolm...Not sure if there was more involved as well.

     

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    Man I wonder what crazy offer they made to get Gallen.  He had a ton of control left.

    The Marlins traded him for a 21 year old SS (Jazz Chisholm) who is hitting .204 with 18 HRs at AA.

     

    I think the Twins could've beat that.

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    Angry wouldn't be the right word for me. 

     

    Disappointed would be appropriate. 

     

    I have no idea what is happening on those telephone calls but I try to imagine being on the other end of the line. 

     

    If I'm the GM of the other team and the Twins are calling me about player X.

     

    I'm going to ask for the top of the prospects. The Twins have Lewis, Kiriloff, Graterol and I'm going to ask for them. Maybe player X is Larnach value but I'm going to ask for higher because I know the Twins have better. 

     

    However, other teams that call me, may not have a Lewis or Kiriloff type talent to ask for. So the top of that pile is more in line with the value of player X and I can't hold out for more because there isn't more, besides seeing if the Twins or Astros cave with those really high end guys. 

     

    In a nutshell, weather I'm right or wrong, I can see a scenario where the Twins can be handicapped in this process because they have better players available to ask and hold out for, when other teams may not.  

     

    I wouldn't be angry because I can imagine a lot of things at play but yeah... Disappointed for sure. They need to support this team and we had a cannonball roll through the bullpen in July. 

     

     

     

     

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    #Brewers trading Marcos Diplan to #MNTwins for cash considerations, sources tell The Athletic.

    Diplan is in AA, has never appeared in AAA let alone MLB, and was DFA'd by the Brewers 2 days ago to make 40-man roster space for Jordan Lyles.

     

    Edit: not to imply he's bad or anything, I don't really know -- just clarifying for anyone reading that he is not a major league addition here.

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    When Diplan was DFA'ed, I wondered if the Twins would make a play for him. Doesn't do anything for them now, though. More of a long-term investment (potentially). 

     

    With 5 BB/9, how far in the future are you thinking?

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    Diplan is in AA, has never appeared in AAA let alone MLB, and was DFA'd by the Brewers 2 days ago to make 40-man roster space for Jordan Lyles.

     

    Edit: not to imply he's bad or anything, I don't really know -- just clarifying for anyone reading that he is not a major league addition here.

     

    Yeah, but those 6 walks per 9 are pretty juicy about now.

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    This is getting kind of stupid. We could easily acquire Minor or Ray yet here the Twins FO sits on their butts. Obviously even when the window is open to go for a World Series the FO won’t do squat. To aquire Minor it would look like this: Minor for Thorpe, Gordon/Rooker, and Colina. You could probably make a similar deal for Robbie Ray. Again how smart is it to do nothing and expect our minor league prospects to star and be key cogs of a World Series run? Most top prospects won’t even come close to meeting their lofty ceiling, isn’t just smart to deal some top prospects if a World Series is possible?

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    The Marlins traded him for a 21 year old SS (Jazz Chisholm) who is hitting .204 with 18 HRs at AA.

     

    I think the Twins could've beat that.

     

    He was a top 60 prospect and I'm guessing Miami isn't looking at his batting average. If Miami wanted a top 100 prospect SS in AA, the only thing the Twins could have offered was Royce Lewis.

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    Trade deadline day appearing bleaker by the minute. Very little Twins chatter.

     

    Not reading anything about the Twins being involved on ANY of the guys mentioned.

     

    I thought Romo was the appetizer, but maybe he's the main course? Twins going to rely on the Rochester shuttle and the young bullpen guys?

     

    If there's no trade, it seems to be a sure thing that the Twins think Cody Allen will be on this roster sooner rather than later.

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    Yeah, I get what you are saying except they are completely different sides of the field.  

     

    In the end, Minnesota sports owners just will never go full bore to field a team.  Minneapolis/St Paul is not a "small" market but the area is not very sports conducsive.  Local revenues just cannot compete against other areas.  So, that is why we have the owners we have, it isn't just a coincidence.

     

    I agree. You only have to look at the trade deadline moves two years ago: Buying, and then one week later selling, and then the team makes the playoffs. Uhm....

     

    Having a strategy and sticking to it is a good thing ... don't worry about making the wrong choice so much. Who cares if the Pohlads have to spend a little more, it's not the end of the world. They should fight the fight to do what they think is right.

     

    The changing priorities and strategies just makes the internal waters too murky to make good moves.

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    And I just checked, his BB/9 has actually increased with his move to the pen this year (6.2).

     

    On the bright side, he's had 10 whole appearances this season where he hasn't walked anyone.

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    Angry wouldn't be the right word for me. 

     

    Disappointed would be appropriate. 

     

     

    That's been my outlook on the Twins and sports in general for quite awhile. Plenty of other things to get angry about, and even those things, it's usually better to not to. I got kids, I don't want them learning that angry stuff from me.

     

    Besides, I'd rather watch a baseball game the Twins lose than watch the Bachelor. 

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    I don't get this part...

     

    "it is important for Twins fans to stand by a team that has put themselves in this position."

     

    If they opt to stand pat and not do anything to improve the obvious and glaring weaknesses of this team, why should we stand by this team and its front office? They are doing a disservice to everyone involved, including the 25 guys in that clubhouse, the coaches, and fans, if they don't make a move to improve this team.

     

    That is such a cop out of a statement, really.

    Well really a disservice to only 24 guys...since at least  one of the 25 players in the clubhouse will be traded or cut to make room for the superstar we are going to be trading for.

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    Wasn't Diplan DFA'd? The Twins could have made this move anytime.

     

    Confidence is disappearing for me. Doesn't make me root for the players any less - but my thoughts on the front office - less than cordial right now.

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