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  • The Twins Bullpen Is Set (And You’re Not Going To Love It)


    John  Bonnes

    The Twins made their final bullpen roster moves today, reassigning Nick Tepesch and Alex Wimmers to minor league camp. While the official roster is not set, those moves clarify the likely bullpen. It is not an impressive group.

    Brandon Kintzler will return as a closer. The 32-year-old took over the closer job for the Twins last year when Glen Perkins was injured and saved 17 games. He also struck out 5.8 guys per nine innings pitched, which puts him well below the average strikeout rate of a major league pitcher (which is 8.1 K/9), let alone a major league closer.

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    Free agent signee Matt Belisle will be one of the right-handed setup men. He is 36 years old and this is his fourth team in the last four years. His strikeout rate last year was 6.8 K/9. He and Kintzler have been effective, but It is safe to posit that on many teams, they would be trusted to be seventh inning setup men, at best. Indeed, that was their role on their teams the year before they joined the Twins.

    The other right-handed setup men have a little more upside, but fewer results. Ryan Pressly is 28 years old and put up an average strikeout rate (8.0 K/9) and showed added velocity during spring training. Michael Tonkin is even younger (27 years old) and had an even higher strikeout rate (10.0 K/9), but was homer-prone last year (13 HR in 71.1 IP) and again in spring training (3 HR in 12.1 IP). He had a poor spring training and it is likely that being out of options (which means the Twins could lose him if he didn’t make the roster) is why he made the roster.

    The left-handed relievers have a similar "veteran/youngster" profile as the right-handers. The veteran is Craig Breslow, a 36-year-old who the Twins signed on a minor-league deal this offseason. The “youngster” is 26-year-old Taylor Rogers who is truly tough on lefties (547 OPS against in 2016) but is unlikely to expand that role due to his troubles against right-handed hitters (811 OPS against in 2016).

    Finally, the swingman will be 25-year-old Justin Haley, who is also likely on the roster due to his status as a Rule 5 pick. If he did not make the roster, the Twins would need to return him to the Red Sox.

    It’s not difficult to justify each of these players having a spot in a major league bullpen. And with the exception of the decision to demote JT Chargois, it’s probably the best group that could come north with the team. But this is a group of back-of-the-bullpen talents, some of which are going to be saddled with high-leverage bullpen roles.

    Twins manager Paul Molitor seems to understand this. “I think we’re going to have to do some mixing and matching towards the end,” said Molitor last week, “with Kintzler on the backside, so, we’ll see how it goes.”

    There is a scenario where this bullpen is successful. “My hope is that between the experience and the talent - some still developing - that it’s going to be better,” said Molitor. But there are a lot of scenarios where the opposite is true and the lack of tools that are at Molitor’s discretion is an organizational problem.

    The one thing a bad team should be able to do is find good relief arms; they have all the advantages in that area. They have the first pick in waivers. They have innings to invest. They have opportunities for under-the-radar free agents. They have higher draft picks. They can trade veterans for younger, still developing arms. The advantages go on and on. That the Twins have utterly failed in this area after six years of futility is the most damning indictment of the Terry Ryan front office.

    But just so we’re clear, the new leadership has not garnered immediate results either. The biggest change so far is adding the journeyman reliever Belisle. There were no obvious diamonds in the rough discovered in spring training this year that provide hope that 2017 will be any better than the previous six years.

    We'll see how it goes. The tension that Twins fans will feel at the end of ballgames is, for now, the same as the tension fans of the other 29 teams feel as their bullpen tries to nail down a win. But the feeling today - of skepticism after six years of cringing - is uniquely their own.

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    He has been given one full season, during which he was working in an unfamiliar role but still piled up the most strikeout of any Twins reliever since prime Joe Nathan.

     

    People lament the Twins not giving young guys chances, lament the lack of velocity and strikeouts, then are so quick to give up on a dude after a bit of turbulence. His ERA was around 3 in mid-June before an unprecedented workload began to catch up with him.

     

    And again, who is he holding back? Chargois can be called up at any time. They didn't lose anyone to keep him, whereas they would have lost him to keep someone else. 

     

    I'll also be in the minority and not be upset about one more chance for Tonkin.

     

    But Molitor HAS to go along with new ideas. The role a guy plays simply cannot be based on his experience but instead on his skill set. Just because a guy is a veteran doesn't mean he has the ability to work high leverage situations. If you can't miss bats you shouldn't be called into the game with a runner on 3rd and one out. Tonkin had issues last year, still, if you absolutely needed a strikeout he was pretty much the only one in the pen who had that ability. Sometimes that means he has to pitch in a tight spot, it's just how the game works.

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    I might take a run at Jared Hughes, who was just released by Pittsburgh. Throws hard, has a good slider and keeps the ball on ground/in the park. 

     

    He's a lot like Kintzler, but for cheap that's not a bad deal. 

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    Sometimes that means he has to pitch in a tight spot, it's just how the game works.

     

    When he does pitch in a tight spot, that will be uncharted territory for him... 

    34 of his 65 appearances last year he was brought in when the team was down or up by 3 or more runs. In merely 10 appearances did he come in when the game was tied. 

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    I guess I'm a Tonkin bobo.

    K and bb rates stabilize much quicker than HR rates, which can be fluky in small sample sizes.

    People say that nobody in MLB is fooled by his straight fastball, but if that is the case, how has he kept his k rate up in the majors?

    I expect a pretty good season from Tonkin.

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    Here is the struggle for me. It is year 7 of the rebuild and Chargois does not make the team because we can't trust him based on limited MLB experience and a few poor spring training outings.

     

    Meanwhile Danny Santana will likely make the team. All three outfielders can play CF. Escobar can too. And at minimum, Polanco and Escobar can play SS. Santana is not going to hit for anyone and he will maybe run for 2-3 players.

     

    What is the better use of that 25th spot? Would you rather have an extra reliever to break in Chargois or have Santana sit there and play twice a week so he "stays fresh"?

     

    It would be a tough sell to convince me we should worry about the backup to the backup SS. What say you?

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    Not a fan of keeping Tonkin, IMO he's always going to be more potential than results.  Don't know why we had to get Breslow either. O'Rourke can get lefties out.

    Craig Breslow has always been better than O'Rourke. As long as Breslow can bring it above 90 mph, his stuff will play well at the mlb level. 

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    There were several bounce back candidates waiting and available in FA. They just decided to go with the same route as usual.... Mediocre placeholders hoping that the 3rd year is the charm waiting for these awesome RP prospects in the minors. 

    C'mon man didn't you drink the Kool-Aid yet? The bullpen saviors are coming.....

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    Here is the struggle for me. It is year 7 of the rebuild and Chargois does not make the team because we can't trust him based on limited MLB experience and a few poor spring training outings.

    Meanwhile Danny Santana will likely make the team. All three outfielders can play CF. Escobar can too. And at minimum, Polanco and Escobar can play SS. Santana is not going to hit for anyone and he will maybe run for 2-3 players.

    What is the better use of that 25th spot? Would you rather have an extra reliever to break in Chargois or have Santana sit there and play twice a week so he "stays fresh"?

    It would be a tough sell to convince me we should worry about the backup to the backup SS. What say you?

     

    Wait a couple of weeks.

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    I expected this outcome to a degree with the hope that Chargois would have a good spring and make the club - that didn't happen and it is a bummer.

     

    The rotation is a bummer as well - not because I don't think they can hold there own if everything breaks right, but it is such an unknown. Santana should be good/okay, but everyone else could have a 5+ ERA, but on the other hand they also could have a 4.00ERA. That is probably wishful thinking.

     

    The decision that Berrios made for himself did not go his way (WBC), and I don't fault him for it, the Mejia/Duffey battle for the 5th spot is intriguing, but only for the reason of being in a position where we don't have a bright shining prospect in the mix for that spot. Mejia and Duffey could have really good careers. To assume such would be fool hardy.

     

    I have mentioned the 1996 Twins team on this site a few times over the years. They had about as bad a pitching staff as you can imagine, but they had a high powered offense and it made a lot of games fun to watch. They didn't have much power in an era which was dominated by that, but they hammered the ball, took some BBs and it worked out (for the offense). This team won 78 games.

     

    Really, that is the only expectation I have for this season (fingers crossed).

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    So we are going to turn the worse team in baseball around in 1 year? "Come on man" as Espn says, this is going to take time. Let's see what this team looks like at the end of the year. Just my opinion but the bullpen is the easiest fix. How about do our young want to be studs really turn into studs? In our case if the offense comes along we will be just fine! Give me a slightly above 500 year with progress with our young hitters so we know what we have, I'm fine. The young pitchers we have will be ready to contribute by next year.

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    Craig Breslow has always been better than O'Rourke. As long as Breslow can bring it above 90 mph, his stuff will play well at the mlb level. 

    Huh?  Breslow the last 3 years, ERA of 5.96,4.15 and 4.50.  WHIP 1.86,1.42 and 1.79.  K/9 of 6.1,6.3 and 4.5. OPS against of .887,825 and 869. Admittedly a small sample size for O'Rourke but his first 2 years, ERA 6.14 and 3.96 WHIP 1.41 and 1.12, K/9 of 9.8 and 8.6, OPS against .660 and .615. One is 28 and trending in the right direction and the other is 36 and is trending in the wrong direction. I'll take O'Rourke any day of the week.

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    I'd rather not have the choice be between Wimmers or Tonkin.

    Which indicates to me a massive failure by the FO

    Massive failure? These guys have been on the job less than five months. They have spent a lot of that time just getting organized, and I'm sure that process has a ways to go yet. They have had to familiarize themselves with the entire organization, players, scouts, coaches, etc. etc. Yes, who is on the major league roster is important, but to have a new administration stumble into a world championship happens once in a lifetime, and we already had our once in a lifetime in 1987.

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    Huh?  Breslow the last 3 years, ERA of 5.96,4.15 and 4.50.  WHIP 1.86,1.42 and 1.79.  K/9 of 6.1,6.3 and 4.5. OPS against of .887,825 and 869. Admittedly a small sample size for O'Rourke but his first 2 years, ERA 6.14 and 3.96 WHIP 1.41 and 1.12, K/9 of 9.8 and 8.6, OPS against .660 and .615. One is 28 and trending in the right direction and the other is 36 and is trending in the wrong direction. I'll take O'Rourke any day of the week.

    Yes, I agree that Breslow's game has gone downhill for the last few years. However, supposedly he has tinkered with his mechanics and found a better technique. If so, Breslow is an effective reliever. Meanwhile, O'Rourke has looked very inconsistent in limited use on the Twins. 

     

    That said, I'll grant your general point that you'd rather have a younger guy with a live arm than a vet trying to hold onto a couple more years of pro play. This may feed into what appears to be the plan, which is to start the season with vets, then transition to the abundant young arms in AA and AAA. 

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    Yes, I agree that Breslow's game has gone downhill for the last few years. However, supposedly he has tinkered with his mechanics and found a better technique. If so, Breslow is an effective reliever. Meanwhile, O'Rourke has looked very inconsistent in limited use on the Twins. 

     

    That said, I'll grant your general point that you'd rather have a younger guy with a live arm than a vet trying to hold onto a couple more years of pro play. This may feed into what appears to be the plan, which is to start the season with vets, then transition to the abundant young arms in AA and AAA. 

    I hope Breslow has a good first 2 months. He'd be a great flip candidate.

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    I'm holding out hope that the reason they signed Breslow was largely to see what his 'analytic' approach produces for him. If positive they may work it into the development of some of the other pitchers.

     

    I doubt this is the first time Falvey or Levine have been intrigued by pitching mechanics.

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    The only thing I like less than the pen...... is the rotation. Relief will not really be in the Twins fan's vocabulary. Santiago is to be the number two starter. And Hughes and his historically horrid opening month will be attempting his comeback. Lots of relief will be needed, but I don't see it coming.

     

    A magic pen now wins championships. I do not subscribe do the claim that a pen is easy to throw together. Nor keep.

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    I don't get the anger about Tonkin. I realize he hasn't performed, but he's shown flashes of the ability to do so while notching a pretty impressive K and BB rate.  I'd be upset about losing him.  Patience is a virtue, and the Twins aren't the only organization forced to be patient with players. Tonkin's first real shot was last year.  Think about that.  He got cups of coffee previously, but never really got a chance.  Give him some time. He might fail, but I don't think cutting bait this early would be wise. It's not like Chargois earned it.  He didn't. 

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    I hope Breslow has a good first 2 months. He'd be a great flip candidate.

    Another thing about Breslow is his high intelligence. I'm pretty sure he could seamlessly transition from pitcher to pitching coach at the pro level. A guy like that should be considered for a position in the Twins organization when he finally hangs 'em up. 

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    I believe that the roster will be pretty much what Molitor wants but has to include the FO's acquisitions.  This allows the FO to "sharpen the axe" for predictable failure so it will be PC for them to "kick Molitor upstairs" and hire their selection as field manager.

     

    Hoping that veteran RPs from this staff can be "flipped for prospects" is like tossing a coin in the fountain and making a wish.

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    I'm far less concerned that Tonkin is on the roster as I am that Kintzler is our closer.

    And to add to this, they have nobody capable of filling the closer role behind him. I don't want to see Belisle or Breslow in save situations and I don't think Molly is ready to trust Pressly or any of the other younglings.

     

    Feels a lot like the Jepsen situation last season. Just because he pitched really well last year doesn't guarantee the fact that he will this time around...

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