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    Seth Stohs

    Many wonder why the Minnesota Twins haven’t signed lefty-reliever Antonio Bastardo. Similar to Tony Sipp, who re-signed with the Astros for three years and $18 million, Bastardo remains unsigned. He is said to be looking for a similar contract. So, why haven’t the Twins been said to be in the conversation, at least not heavily?

    There are a few good, legitimate reasons. Some good reasons involving Bastardo, and several more good reasons because of other, internal options.

    Although Bastardo has struck out 11 batters per nine innings, he also has walked 4.3 batters per nine innings. That’s a lot of strikeouts, but it’s also a lot of walks.

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    Per Doogie Wolfson in his most recent episode of The Scoops on 1500 ESPN’s podcast network, the Twins are certainly monitoring the Bastardo situation. Wolfson said he has been told by those in the know that the Twins are interested in Bastardo at one year and $3-4 million.

    As a Twins fan who also keeps fairly close tabs on the minor leagues, I fully support this decision. First, walks bug me. I like strikeouts as much as anyone, but walks annoy me. Bastardo is entertaining to watch as he can be completely dominant at times, but at other times he can be equally frustrating.

    The nature of relief pitchers is such that you never really know what you’re going to get. Tony Sipp was a great example of that. He was mediocre at best in his first six seasons, with Cleveland. But in his two years with the Astros, he has been very good.

    Bastardo’s career can be summarized simply by looking at his ERA+ in his six full seasons with the Pirates. Since 2010, his ERA+ have been 96, 146, 94, 163, 95, and then 129 in 2015. Of course, we know that ERA isn’t necessarily the best way to note how a reliever pitches. His FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) numbers have been between 2.76 and 3.34 in those years.

    I’d be fine with the Twins signing Antonio Bastardo, but I personally agree that a one-year deal is more ideal than a three year deal. In fact, I would make the case that I’d be fine with a one year, $7 million deal rather than a three year, $18 million deal. And, as much as we (many Twins fans) just want the Twins to sign Bastardo because we are comfortable with a three year, $18 million deal. The other thing to remember is that no team has been willing to offer him the three year, $18 million contract that he is said to be looking for.

    The other reason that I feel fully comfortable with the Twins saying they are willing to only go one year on Bastardo is because, as someone who follows the team’s farm system, there are some high-upside, power arms coming and soon.

    Last week, Wolfson tweeted, “Radcliff sites Reed, Chargois, Burdi, Rogers, Melotakis, Landa, as all being close. On Landa, ‘Will open eyes this spring.’”

    While I believe that Landa has incredible upside because he throws upper-90s gas, I would be surprised if he was ready before mid-2017. The others? I think all five of those are guys who could be ready by mid-season 2016.

    • I think Taylor Rogers is ready for a reliever role in the Twins bullpen right away. The main reason to start him in AAA would just be to get him used to working in the bullpen after starting his entire career.
    • The hope was that Nick Burdi might be ready last year. He really struggled, but then came on strong late in the season and continued that domination in the Arizona Fall League. He made some adjustment, and threw more strikes. He may be given a shot at an Opening Day roster spot, but I would think he could be up before June 1.
    • JT Chargois missed all of the 2013 and 2014 seasons with elbow issues and eventually Tommy John surgery. He returned to Instructional League after the 2014 season and was hitting triple-digits. In his return in 2015, he was throwing in the upper-90s, occasionally hitting 100. He spent half of the season in Ft. Myers, and then was the closer through most of the second half of the season for the Lookouts.The former 2nd rounder, who was co-closer at Rice with Tyler Duffey, will also be given a real opportunity to make the Opening Day roster. Like Burdi, it’s more likely that he begins the season in the minor leagues, but he could be up in the season’s first couple of months.
    • Mason Melotakis is another left-hander who may not be far off. He missed all of 2015 due to Tommy John surgery, but reports from Instructs after the season had him hitting 97 again. He was a college reliever who was given the opportunity to start. However, four starts into his 2014 season, he was moved back to the bullpen full time. While I think the Twins will (and should) be cautious with him early in the season, he could prove ready after the All Star break.
    • Jake Reed struggled in his first full minor league season in 2015. The Twins had him start in AA, and he struggled. He went down to Ft. Myers (a level he had skipped) and did well and was quickly back with the Lookouts. He was tremendous in the Arizona Fall League as well. He will likely start the season in AA again, but is a guy who could be ready before the season is over. I would guess he will debut early in 2017, but certainly is feasible in 2016 as well.
    • Yorman Landa is the sixth guy that Wolfson said that Radcliff mentioned. Again, he frequently hit 97-98 mph with his fastball. But he missed the first half of 2015 and a bunch of time in 2014 after shoulder surgery. He dominated at Cedar Rapids, but he has a ways to go. I would say the earliest he’d be ready would be by mid-2017.

    When I mentioned this to Wolfson, he added this tweet, “Radcliff told me they have 13 arms that have a good chance to be here by, at latest, mid-2017. Didn’t realize it was that high.”

    So, being me, I had to do a little research. Could I add seven names to the six mentioned above? Of course, when we hear that 13 arms could be ready by mid-2017, it’s important to remember that there are generally only seven or eight arms in a big league bullpen. So, while I have no problem with the statement, we also need to realize that opportunity also comes into play. In other words, we won’t likely see 13 arms before then. But who all could Radcliff be referring to?

    I’m going to assume that guys like Ryan Pressly, Michael Tonkin and JR Graham are among the 13. Pressly was part of the Twins bullpen when his season came to an end in mid-summer. He was pitching well. Michael Tonkin has been up and down, literally, a dozen times in the last three years. He is now out of options, so he will have to stick or be potentially claimed by another team. JR Graham spent all of 2015 with the Twins after they used the Rule 5 pick on him. He had the biggest arm in the Twins bullpen last year, but was still learning to pitch in the bullpen. He’s likely to spend a lot of time in Rochester in 2016.

    With those three added to the first six, that gives us nine. Let’s see if we can find another four or more. No problem.

    • Alex Meyer - 2015 is over. 2016 is a new year. It’s a big year for Meyer, but the talent and potential are still there. He will come to spring training with an opportunity to make the team. If not, he could be a guy who comes up quick if he pitches more like he did in 2014 than 2015.
    • Corey Williams - Williams missed all of 2014 due to Tommy John surgery. He returned in June of 2015 and pitched well, getting back to AA. He hits 93 and 94, and could add a bit more in 2016. He’s also known as having a great slider. He is certainly one to watch.
    • Logan Darnell - He struggled early in his transition to the bullpen, but he can be a lefty-reliever option, or at least a long-relief option.
    • Pat Dean - Somewhat controversial when he was added to the 40 man roster, Dean had a terrific 2015 season in Rochester. Though he tops out at 90, he has a good slider and curveball and could be an option as a reliever.
    • Luke Bard - Fought injuries and went through a few surgeries since being drafted, but Luke Bard finally was healthy in the second half of 2015. The Twins kept him in Cedar Rapids, but he could move quickly in 2016. He throws hard and has a strong three-pitch mix. He is definitely a sleeper for me in 2016.
    • Jason Adam - He missed all of 2015 with elbow surgery, but the right-hander was a Top 10 prospect in the Royals system just a couple of years ago. If he can return to form, he is certainly one to monitor this year.
    • Trevor Hildenberger - He was our choice as Twins minor league relief pitcher of the year in 2015. He began the season dominating in Cedar Rapids, and fared well in Ft. Myers upon his promotion. He also pitched very well in the Arizona Fall League. The side-winder throws harder than most sidearm throwers, but also has confidence in three pitches in any count.
    • Brandon Peterson - The Minnesota native was our choice for Twins minor league reliever of the year in 2014. He pitched in Ft. Myers and Chattanooga in 2015. At one point, he went 25 innings without allowing a run.

    There are eight names, so we’re already past 13 arms. Here are a few more:

    • DJ Baxendale - He has been a starter most of his minor league career, but with a low-90s fastball and a good slider, he could be a solid bullpen option going forward.
    • Michael Cederoth - Though the Twins had the hard-thrower starting in 2014 and 2015, he could move back to the bullpen. In college he pitched in relief and topped 100 on occasions. In the bullpen, he could move quickly.
    • Alex Wimmers - The former first-round pick has been OK in the bullpen. He can become a minor league free agent following the 2016 season if he’s not on the 40 man roster, so I expect he’ll go to AAA and then we’ll see.
    • Cole Johnson - like AJ Achter, Cole Johnson was drafted in a round that no longer exists, but he has moved up the system and got to AAA in 2015.
    • Brett Lee - Another guy who has started through his career. He’s a low strikeout guy as a starter, but his stuff is good, so maybe in a bullpen role, he could thrive.
    • Alex Muren - a ground ball machine, Muren spent some time in Chattanooga in 2015. He was said to be consistently in the mid-90s in 2015.

    So, as you’re reading those names, you can judge for yourself the level of likelihood that each is going to be ready to contribute to the Twins by mid-2017. Some are probably 90% likely. Others may be closer to 10% But I think that Radcliff’s comment that there are 13 guys who could be ready by mid-2017 is more than fair.

    And, I chose not to include JO Berrios, Tyler Jay, Stephen Gonsalves, Randy Rosario, Fernando Romero, Aaron Slegers, Kohl Stewart and Lewis Thorpe would all remain starters for the next two years.

    And that brings us back to Bastardo and the Twins willingness to go one year on him or any other reliever. In my mind, it makes sense to offer him the one year. In fact, I’d be fine with offering him more for that one year just to stay away from a multi-year deal.

    So, what do you think?

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    Wait... Mike and I agree... I want the Twins to sometimes trust and stick with the young guys. 

     

    Rogers is the one that I think is ready right from the beginning. I do think Tonkin should be trusted for a full 2 month stretch to see if he can become what they hope (we hope) or not. I think Fien and Pressly are worth sticking with. Fien to see if he can return to 2013 and first four months of 2014 form. Pressly, again, because he has shown at times that he can be good with an opportunity. He was just about there last year when he got hurt.

     

    I'd guess we agree on 80-90% of the stuff......

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    Much of the discussion is based on the myth that KC wins because of their bullpen.  NO!  They are much better than that.  Their team defense and speed is excellent permitting them to record the outs that should happen and some of those that appeared unlikely.  They "gut things out"--frequently coming from behind to win.  They "add-on"--not coasting but continuing to score.  Contrast to Twins teams of the past (and dare I say 2015 also)--are teams of momentum.  When things go well (like May) they really go well--but if the "wind shifts", the trend continues, witness the end of '11, '12, and '13.  Character is developed over time--and the Twins need seasoning. 

     

    Spending the owner's money for veteran pieces is fine--until he holds management accountable.  The commitment to Park is comparable to the proposed level for Bastardo--if normalized out to 4 years.  Which helps the Twins more--an every day hitter, or a one-inning set-up relief pitcher?  As the article points out (OK it does read like a press release) there are plenty of options and one (maybe two) is all that is needed.  The Twins bullpen is not wretched and the internal options also demonstrate management's commitment to careers for prospects.  That provides incentives for the prospects to focus on success because their really is a path forward.  The FO has boasted about their system--now rely on it!

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    Rogers is the one that I think is ready right from the beginning. I do think Tonkin should be trusted for a full 2 month stretch to see if he can become what they hope (we hope) or not. I think Fien and Pressly are worth sticking with. Fien to see if he can return to 2013 and first four months of 2014 form. Pressly, again, because he has shown at times that he can be good with an opportunity. He was just about there last year when he got hurt.

    So if Rogers is ready, Tonkin deserves two months, and Fien and Pressly are both worth sticking with, that doesn't leave much room for Burdi, Chargois, or Melotakis by May 1st as suggested in another thread, does it?

     

    Also, how much trust and upside do you realistically have in Tonkin, Fien, and Pressly at this point?  Even if they stick and contribute something, it's getting harder and harder to envision a scenario where those guys help at the top of the pen, which was sort of the problem with the 2015 bullpen to begin with.  Fien, Pressly, and Tonkin were fine in 2015, Boyer was great, even Duensing, Graham, and Thompson managed to be decent for stretches -- yet none of those acceptable performances mattered much when we needed help at the top of the pen in the stretch drive.

     

    Frankly, this team should be adding a guy who could realistically and immediately be trusted to slot in near the top, and letting the above guys duke it out for the lower leverage spots with the new faces looking to get their feet wet.  With so few guaranteed contractual commitments, we're at no risk of too many talented players for too few spots.  But we need help at the top right away, and we need an opportunity to evaluate guys for future top end, high leverage duty.

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    The commitment to Park is comparable to the proposed level for Bastardo--if normalized out to 4 years.  Which helps the Twins more--an every day hitter, or a one-inning set-up relief pitcher? 

    I wasn't aware the Twins could only afford one or the other.  Also, Park has yet to actually demonstrate he is an MLB hitter to the degree that Bastardo has demonstrated he is a MLB pitcher, not to mention whether a DH really helps the Twins with Sano ticketed for the OF.

     

    The Twins bullpen is not wretched

     

    "Not wretched" is a uselessly low standard when building the bullpen of a hopefully competitive team.  And it's not just an issue of quality -- it's also depth, both in 2016 and beyond.  We all love Perkins, Jepsen, and May at the moment, but one of those guys has recently seen his health and career go in the wrong direction, and the other two quite possibly won't be a part of the 2017 Twins bullpen.

     

    You might need 2 guys to emerge soon as plus relievers from your minor leagues just to offset those losses and maintain the "not wretched" status quo.  It would be even more difficult to actually try to make a plus bullpen soon out of these parts.

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    So if Rogers is ready, Tonkin deserves two months, and Fien and Pressly are both worth sticking with, that doesn't leave much room for Burdi, Chargois, or Melotakis by May 1st as suggested in another thread, does it?

     

    Being Ready and Gettiing Called Up are not the same thing. 

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    Frankly, this team should be adding a guy who could realistically and immediately be trusted to slot in near the top, and letting the above guys duke it out for the lower leverage spots with the new faces looking to get their feet wet.  With so few guaranteed contractual commitments, we're at no risk of too many talented players for too few spots.  But we need help at the top right away, and we need an opportunity to evaluate guys for future top end, high leverage duty.

     

    Completely agree.

     

    Any time you can add a guy that is better than most of what you have....and it wont be a financially crippling signing, then they have my blessing (which is utterly worthless of course)

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    I didn't forget Duffey... I just think that it would be silly - though not completely impossible - for him not to be in the starting rotation to start the season. 

    What happens if Berrios is deemed ready and starts the season with the Twins? Are you telling me that the rotation consists of Santana, Hughes, Gibson, Duffey and Berrios; and that Nolasco and Milone are in the pen or released? Silly or not, I think Duffey is most likely to start in the pen in that scenario. And can we really say it is 'silly' for an established starter to start the year in the rotation and make the 'better' youngster start in the pen when it happens in the MLB quite regularly?

     

    I am sure before the 2015 season started, many would have said that Travis May to the bullpen was also silly, but yet it happened. And it happened even though May wasn't the least effective starter at the time, because Paul Molitor is so silly. If he wasn't so silly, we might have made it to the postseason last year!

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    Being Ready and Gettiing Called Up are not the same thing. 

    Correct me if I am wrong, but the implication was that by not signing a FA reliever, those pitchers would be called up when ready, and the Twins were expecting that to be early.

     

    If you're not calling them up when ready, not signing a FA reliever, and giving nice long leashes to Fien, Pressly, and Tonkin... arg...

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    First, walks bug me. I like strikeouts as much as anyone, but walks annoy me. Bastardo is entertaining to watch as he can be completely dominant at times, but at other times he can be equally frustrating.

     

     

    They bug me too. Particularly from late innings guys who are coming in to tight games. HOWEVER, that doesn't seem to bug Terry Ryan (or at least that's what he claimed in his offseason interview):

     

    PH: [Kevin Jepsen] reduced his walk rate too. Is that something that Neil Allen worked with?

     

    TR: I’m going to tell you something about that walk rate. Of course, when you’ve got a relief pitcher and you look at his walk rate, it’s sometimes large. Well, that may be one walk every two appearances. So his walk rate looks a little higher. If it was a starting pitcher, it would concern me a helluva lot more. But when you’ve got a relief pitcher and he gets out there about 60 games and his walk rate is about four, well that’s not quite as bad as if that was a starter.

     

    PH: But now you’ve got a runner on base in a late-inning situation, probably in a close game, right?

     

    TR: Well, he was a seventh, eighth inning guy for Tampa. So it didn’t concern us quite as much. If it was a closer, it would concern me a helluva lot more. You don’t want to get free passes on a closer, for sure. We’ve gone that path before. That used to really concern me when you’ve got a guy in the ninth and he’s issuing free passes.

     

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but the implication was that by not signing a FA reliever, those pitchers would be called up when ready, and the Twins were expecting that to be early.

     

    If you're not calling them up when ready, not signing a FA reliever, and giving nice long leashes to Fien, Pressly, and Tonkin... arg...

     

    When ready and when there is a need. I mean, if Fien and Tonkin are pitching great, no need to get rid of them.

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    So if Rogers is ready, Tonkin deserves two months, and Fien and Pressly are both worth sticking with, that doesn't leave much room for Burdi, Chargois, or Melotakis by May 1st as suggested in another thread, does it?

     

    Also, how much trust and upside do you realistically have in Tonkin, Fien, and Pressly at this point?  Even if they stick and contribute something, it's getting harder and harder to envision a scenario where those guys help at the top of the pen, which was sort of the problem with the 2015 bullpen to begin with.  Fien, Pressly, and Tonkin were fine in 2015, Boyer was great, even Duensing, Graham, and Thompson managed to be decent for stretches -- yet none of those acceptable performances mattered much when we needed help at the top of the pen in the stretch drive.

     

    Frankly, this team should be adding a guy who could realistically and immediately be trusted to slot in near the top, and letting the above guys duke it out for the lower leverage spots with the new faces looking to get their feet wet.  With so few guaranteed contractual commitments, we're at no risk of too many talented players for too few spots.  But we need help at the top right away, and we need an opportunity to evaluate guys for future top end, high leverage duty.

     

    The problem is, adding a guy isn't going to be pushing Fein/Tonkin/Pressly out, it will be pushing the higher upside but untested prospects out, who unlike Fein/Tonkin/Pressly have the stuff to be a late inning guy. The team just has to stop thinking that experience trumps strikeout ability when there's guys on 2nd and 3rd and no outs. They just have to.

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    They bug me too. Particularly from late innings guys who are coming in to tight games. HOWEVER, that doesn't seem to bug Terry Ryan (or at least that's what he claimed in his offseason interview):

     

    PH: [Kevin Jepsen] reduced his walk rate too. Is that something that Neil Allen worked with?

     

    TR: I’m going to tell you something about that walk rate. Of course, when you’ve got a relief pitcher and you look at his walk rate, it’s sometimes large. Well, that may be one walk every two appearances. So his walk rate looks a little higher. If it was a starting pitcher, it would concern me a helluva lot more. But when you’ve got a relief pitcher and he gets out there about 60 games and his walk rate is about four, well that’s not quite as bad as if that was a starter.

     

    PH: But now you’ve got a runner on base in a late-inning situation, probably in a close game, right?

     

    TR: Well, he was a seventh, eighth inning guy for Tampa. So it didn’t concern us quite as much. If it was a closer, it would concern me a helluva lot more. You don’t want to get free passes on a closer, for sure. We’ve gone that path before. That used to really concern me when you’ve got a guy in the ninth and he’s issuing free passes.

     

    Translation. 

     

    Bastardo is not on our team so the walks are a concern.  We traded for Jepsen so they are not a concern.

     

    I just wish the Twins would factor in everything, BB per 9 along side k per 9, and hits per 9.  It seems to me that walks are not as big of a concern with a guy that can strike guys out.

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    The problem is, adding a guy isn't going to be pushing Fein/Tonkin/Pressly out, it will be pushing the higher upside but untested prospects out, who unlike Fein/Tonkin/Pressly have the stuff to be a late inning guy. The team just has to stop thinking that experience trumps strikeout ability when there's guys on 2nd and 3rd and no outs. They just have to.

    Yeah, it gets back to the philosophical thing.  I wouldn't necessarily care about adding a FA reliever if I felt like this team was really working hard to improve the pen (and not necessarily at the expense of the rotation).  They've obviously been drafting relievers, but closer to the MLB level it seems more like they are just doing the same old, same old, and crossing their fingers hoping for those draftees to come in and save the day.  I don't think the MLB bullpen should really be subject to the exact same long-term "rebuilding" strategies as, say, the lineup or the rotation.

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    Would anyone be surprised if Perkins hit the 60 day DL again in 2016 or 2017? He had a neck thing and an arm thing in 2015 IIRC. He is getting old, the velo isn't there as much. Shlubby. I'd definitely plan on him tailing off over the next 3 years.

     

    Re: Bastardo - Full picture - he had 8 WPs last year in 57 IP. 20 in the 216 IP before that. That's a lot. By comparison, Kyle Gibson had 7 in almost 200 IP and we all know how he can lose command at times. I love strikeouts and I'd take Bastardo on a 2 year deal but you would have to concede that he will move runners along the bases in crucial moments a couple times each year.

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     I don't think the MLB bullpen should really be subject to the exact same long-term "rebuilding" strategies as, say, the lineup or the rotation.

     

    I agree, it's probably not fair to the players themselves, but relievers are so fungible and inflammable that the bullpen really is an ever changing social experiment even for the best of teams. Trial and error, see who works and who doesn't, they all have options so it's not like they only have one shot to make it. And it's not like anyone should ever be worried about service time for a relief pitcher.

     

    For the most part these guys throw hard and have only two pitches, there shouldn't be half the concern about developing these guys like there would be for a starter and if these guys had a better repertoire or better mechanics, they'd be a starter. No need for a lot of tinkering.

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    Translation. 

     

    Bastardo is not on our team so the walks are a concern.  We traded for Jepsen so they are not a concern.

     

    I just wish the Twins would factor in everything, BB per 9 along side k per 9, and hits per 9.  It seems to me that walks are not as big of a concern with a guy that can strike guys out.

    They do. His name is Jack Goin and he has a staff of 8.

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    Would anyone be surprised if Perkins hit the 60 day DL again in 2016 or 2017? He had a neck thing and an arm thing in 2015 IIRC. He is getting old, the velo isn't there as much. Shlubby. I'd definitely plan on him tailing off over the next 3 years.

     

    Re: Bastardo - Full picture - he had 8 WPs last year in 57 IP. 20 in the 216 IP before that. That's a lot. By comparison, Kyle Gibson had 7 in almost 200 IP and we all know how he can lose command at times. I love strikeouts and I'd take Bastardo on a 2 year deal but you would have to concede that he will move runners along the bases in crucial moments a couple times each year.

     

    In fairness, a guy that has 11 K per 9 may be more wild than one with about 6.

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    They do. His name is Jack Goin and he has a staff of 8.

     

    Just out of curiousity,how do you think the Twins quant staff ranks relative to the rest of the league? 

     

    Best I can tell, we were 10-15 years behind the curve on this one and some of the folks in other teams departments are on another level in terms of size and pedigree.

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    Just out of curiousity,how do you think the Twins quant staff ranks relative to the rest of the league? 

     

    Best I can tell, we were 10-15 years behind the curve on this one and some of the folks in other teams departments are on another level in terms of size and pedigree.

    Jack said somewhere in the middle. Can you do better than just tell, and instead using math and science, show the members how you can possibly know our favorite team is 10-15 years behind the curve? I do hear such things on the board periodically, but no one has ever provided any form of evidence. Is it fact, or just another one of the board's myths?

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    Jack said somewhere in the middle. Can you do better than just tell, and instead using math and science, show the members how you can possibly know our favorite team is 10-15 years behind the curve? I do hear such things on the board periodically, but no one has ever provided any form of evidence. Is it fact, or just another one of the board's myths?

     

     

    I don’t have time to really do the research.  So here is a snapshot with five minutes of research.  I would also suggest asking the guy how his department fares to his competition is probably not the best way to compare.

     

    -Bill James started writing about SABR metrics in the early 80’s.  He was hired by Boston in 2003.

     

    -The book Moneyball was written in 2003, highlighting Oakland’s use of metrics in the late 90’s.

     

    -Goin founded the analytics department in 2009.  Like many of the other folks in the Twins front office, he worked his way up from completely unrelated areas of the business (in this case ticket sales).

     

    -Please start reading about the backgrounds of the folks in the Houston, St. Louis, Boston, Dodgers, Cubs, and other front offices and compare them with Jack Goin.

     

    http://www.twincities.com/ci_23098690/minnesota-twins-join-moneyball-era-behind-mystery-man

     

     

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    **Moderator Note**

     

    If we're going to be talking about analytics in this thread it should be contained to Antonio Bastardo or perhaps the players we may prefer in his place. I'm sure someone can dig up one of the hundreds of old Twins analytical tendency threads if this debate really needs to be rehashed. These conversations nearly always derail the topic at hand.

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    I wish we would've gotten in on relievers that weren't Bastardo.  Part of the reason we have to contemplate signing a lemon is that we didn't do anything sooner.

     

    I did want Mark Lowe and his 95-96 MPH heater. He only got a 2 year deal which would have been more appealing to me.

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    BB/9 innings shouldn't be the metric to evaluate RPs--try scoreless innings.  The guy's job is to pitch one inning--especially a scoreless inning.  If he walks someone--so what?  Pitching around a batter (BB) can be sound strategy for a one inning stint--yet it will become a stat at the end of the season.

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    Just out of curiousity,how do you think the Twins quant staff ranks relative to the rest of the league? 

     

    Best I can tell, we were 10-15 years behind the curve on this one and some of the folks in other teams departments are on another level in terms of size and pedigree.

    I hear and read this a lot on this site. I would love to know what you believe other teams are working on that we are not working on. 

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    Cannot compare Bastardo to that whole slew of pitchers, because, y'know, most of them are righties.

     

    The Twins need a lefty set up guy.  Three ways to skin that cat:

     

    a. Go outside the organization. 

    If that is the case, I would be talking to the Rays about Jake McGee who apparently is available, before I sign Bastardo (and I have seen enough of Bastardo with the Phillies and their AAA and AA affiliates to say, that I'd rather see Duensing than him.)

     

    b. hope that one of Rogers/Melotakis or the 4 LHRP MiLB they signed wins the job in Spring Training

     

    c. Hand the job to Perkins and look for a closer.

     

     

    It it were me making the decisions, I'd go for c, but the Storen bird flew and there are not many in play, other than the aforementioned McGee (and Boxberger; and he scares me).   (And McGee scares me for that -3 mph too).  So:  Hand the closer job to Phil Hughes (remember he was lights out setting up Rivera for a year), have Perkins and Jepsen as the LH and RH set up men and b. above, hope that one of those 6 arms has an amazing Spring.

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