"Robot Umpires" Coming to Some Affiliated Parks Next Season

I am ready for this.  Why not?  What is the argument for letting errors we can correct influence the game?  I know it means that the quick hand artists who steal strikes less important - is that bad? 

The sooner the bettter. It is already at least 5 years late. The whole idea of trying to cheat, and I mean cheat, the game with bogus pitch framing is not at all in the spirit of the rule of the strike zone. The framing talent is just one making all efforts to trick the umpires call, and make a pitch something it isn't. It cheats the greatest takes, and the finest pitches. It's the closest pitches that deserve to be rewarded the most, as that is the whole purpose of being able to actually but the ball in the very corner of the zone, even (for example) if it is the very back edge of the 3 demensional area defined as a strike. Plus, it cannot be denied the the umpire is just guessing all these years. Plus, the umpires won't even use the tool created from them as a learning tool, and review their work and try to get better! Plus, since when has the present system ever been "seamless"? Never ever. That hasn't stopped it from being used. Times up.

Fair, accurate, consistent calls? The horror!

 

The vaunted "human element" is nothing but mistakes, bias, and petty shows it dominance.

 

The wrong call is never preferable to the right call. Period. I can't wait.

Here is that article Parker linked to via tweetb above

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/automated-strike-zone-whiffs-at-arizona-fall-league/#.XcAgSIRkfNg.twitter

 

Thanks, very interesting!

 

I think those unexpected stikes that just clip the front or the back of the zone are something people will get used to. If they can adjust to a new strike zone every game, they can get used to a consistent one. And if r consensus is it really seems too big, they can change the rule. If you don't like the rules, don't break them, change them.

 

And as several commenters pointed out, a four second wait for the call is not a four second delay. Catchers don't wait to throw the ball back till they hear the call. And umpires don't shout the call simultaneously with the ball's arrival now. In any case to speed of the computer will only increase.

 

Really, though, the best solution would be to flash the call immediately on the scoreboard. The ump could still shout it out too. But it makes no sense for the computer's call to go only to him. It should flash red or green on the scoreboard the second it registers. Problem solved. The only reason to make the whole stadium wait for him to relay it is to cater to the umpires' egos. Which is exactly what we are trying to get rid of. If the ump thinks there was a glitch and wants to review it he can call for a replay. But there's no reason to delay every call so the ump can think about whether he wants to overrule it, or worse yet, overrule it without even letting people know!

That is going to be so much fun when the technology crashes or has a 'glitch' during a key moment in a playoff or World Series game. It would be the greatest of entertainment. In the meantime, baseball still needs to get robo umps installed as soon as the system is capable.

That is going to be so much fun when the technology crashes or has a 'glitch' during a key moment in a playoff or World Series game. It would be the greatest of entertainment. In the meantime, baseball still needs to get robo umps installed as soon as the system is capable.

It will be even more fun when it’s hacked.

 

I would like to see a challenge system. Batters have 1 second to challenge. Umps push a button which displays a green or red light for ball or strike. It would take a total of 2 seconds.
It might even save time that would have been spent by the batter arguing.

No - they are already working on speeding up the game - this weekend I was driven crazy by the NFL downtime for review and the same with the World Series.

I'm not interested in robot umpires. I'm not interested in super slow motion replays catching the single frame instant of a runner's foot sliding off a bag and so actually he actually was out actually actually.

 

Maybe I'll change my mind someday - I don't mind how tennis uses their technology and challenges - maybe because it seems much more organic. The call happens, the player challenges, they show it on the screen, the crowd claps or cheers until the ruling is made. All within seconds.

 

But for baseball and football, it's painful to the flow of the game. And basketball? Don't get me started.

Too much technology changes the game into a different sport for the venues that will never be able to afford the technology. How are high schools going to incorporate this into their baseball....they can't....or more importantly, shouldn't spend the money on it.

 

But...I suppose they said something like that about Personal Computers back in the 1970s.

With the upgrades in technology I suppose these changes are just inevitable. I can't even get worked up about it either way at this point. But what will Ron Gardenhire do when there are no umpires to argue with? Frankly, that WILL be a sad, and much less entertaining, day.

With the upgrades in technology I suppose these changes are just inevitable. I can't even get worked up about it either way at this point. But what will Ron Gardenhire do when there are no umpires to argue with? Frankly, that WILL be a sad, and much less entertaining, day.

We will all miss the spectacle of overweight, grown men dressed in a uniform that is basically pajamas arguing with other grown men about a game that revolves around hitting a ball with a stick. The price of progress.

No, just no.  Perhaps someday, many, many years down road... maybe.   Now?   With the technology where it is?   Absolutely not.

 

I was talking with my son the other night about this exact same thing (he's a HS pitcher who is phenomenal at hitting his spots) and even he completely despised the idea of it.

 

I get it that it may be coming to baseball, but it doesn't mean that it isn't a bad idea.  

Lets give them some credit , professional hitters and pitchers will adapt. There has been too much emphasis made to learn how to steal pitches the past few years. Players have adapted to this and any fan watching TV can clearly see how wrong a truly stolen pitch is. The art of stealing pitches has just moved us closer to eliminating the human from calling pitches.Of course this we would also eliminate the call to first base or third base umpires for their opinion of the swing.

There will still be an umpire at home plate, but he will be calling plays like every other base umpire.

 

 

 

10 years after they install robo-umps we will have forgotten why we ever worried about it.  It will be natural and organic and "no big deal". 

IIRC in the Atlantic league the plate umpire could overrule a "mistake" by the bot? Seems odd that such perfection would need correction by a mere mortal? I imagine Robo umps are coming. I really do not think they will improve the game. Something will be lost. That said, I will gladly be on board with Robo perfection once the players all play and the managers all manage to perfection, and the vendors don't spill any beer. Why do we expect perfection from 4 guys on the field, and not from the other 30,000 in the stadium? I would think that the fiascos the NFL is going through attempting to perfect football officiating would be enough forewarning?

 

The problem as I see it now, is how they utilize the strikezone. Basically if the ball clips any part of it's electronically diagrammed zone, it's a strike. From seeing what does get called, it's clear this is currently too big. Big time 12-6 curveballs (can think of a few I saw from Shane Baz) that hit the dirt were getting called, because they clip the bottom of the front side of this zone. That's not a pitch hitters can hit, and has never been a strike. 

 

Now I don't know if the diagrammed zone is a cube around the plate or a plane at some point of it, but where this is and/or it's size needs to be seriously fine tuned and vetted in much stricter fashion than what they're doing now before it's viable. 

 

You will hate robot umpires more than the human ones in its current fashion.

 

That big time curveball IS a strike! It is a great pitcher's pitch, just what the game is supposed to do.... encourage the talent it takes to be able to make a pitch like that, that just barely makes it into the zone! To make a pitch that is a strike and the hitters can't hit! That is baseball. That is what a pitcher is supposed to do! Just because the umpires are too inadequate to make the right call, instead of the wrong call on those pitches, does NOT mean it isn't a great pitch, and a strike, and always has been, regardless of the umpire's error. This is like saying an umpire "was consistent", and that is OK, even if he was consistently wrong with his own imagined strike zone all game.

 

Amazing how one can call a pitch from a video from behind the catcher with the view of the ball totally blocked. I will not be one of the "you" that will hate the change.

 

If the system goes down, the ump just steps in and makes the call with no delay. He will already be standing there, just like the court judge is sitting in his chair at a tennis match. Not a big deal.

Edited November 6, 2019 by h2oface

IIRC in the Atlantic league the plate umpire could overrule a "mistake" by the bot? Seems odd that such perfection would need correction by a mere mortal? I imagine Robo umps are coming. I really do not think they will improve the game. Something will be lost. That said, I will gladly be on board with Robo perfection once the players all play and the managers all manage to perfection, and the vendors don't spill any beer. Why do we expect perfection from 4 guys on the field, and not from the other 30,000 in the stadium? I would think that the fiascos the NFL is going through attempting to perfect football officiating would be enough forewarning?

The NFL is trying to monitor discretionary calls such as pass interference. You could have 10 NFL reps all watch the same disputed PI call and get a 50/50 split the majority of the time. The strike zone should (theoretically) be a target that is immovable with each batter and not open to interpretation. It's either a strike based on the agreed upon zone or it isn't. I would be happy with balls/strikes being robot enforced and do away with the other replay in MLB and just play the game.

Just pondering. This may be out thinking the box but do you analyze free agent pitchers differently after an announced shift to robots before you sign them.

The NFL is trying to monitor discretionary calls such as pass interference. You could have 10 NFL reps all watch the same disputed PI call and get a 50/50 split the majority of the time. The strike zone should (theoretically) be a target that is immovable with each batter and not open to interpretation. It's either a strike based on the agreed upon zone or it isn't. I would be happy with balls/strikes being robot enforced and do away with the other replay in MLB and just play the game.

The NFL also replays whether balls are catches, or ground assisted. Or whether both feet touched down inside the line? And you still cannot get total agreement on some of those calls. I dont know is some of the pro Robo crowd are expecting controversy to end due to electronic balls and strikes. If so, they will be sorely disappointed.