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    Ted Schwerzler

    In 2021 the Minnesota Twins were supposed to be a good team that would see an influx of top tier prospects helping to supplement a contending roster. That hasn’t happened, but we’re seeing some surprising arms take center stage.

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    Royce Lewis didn’t get off the ground this year after missing a traditional minor league season in 2020. We haven’t seen (and likely won’t) Jhoan Duran or Jordan Balazovic to this point. Although Alex Kirilloff and Trevor Larnach have both made their debuts, it’s been pitching where Minnesota has missed most often in 2021. Despite the poor performance, we have seen a trio of potentially overlooked arms brandish their stuff.

    Bailey Ober

    Realistically the arm with the highest upside of this group, Ober was a 12th round pick in 2017. He’s 26-years-old and owns a 4.53 ERA through his first 13 big league starts. That number drops to 4.19 if you throw out the clunker in his debut, and it’s an even better 3.55 across his last seven starts. He recently beat both the Houston Astros and Chicago White Sox, and has tallied a 9.7 K/9 while owning just a 2.7 BB/9.

    The fastball velocity has averaged 92.6 mph, but when it’s coming from a guy standing 6’9” it’s going to get on you with incredible quickness. While Ober is getting ground balls just 33% of the time, he’s allowing hard hit balls only 37.8% of the time. He has generated a respectable 10.5% whiff rate, and owns a 28.3% CSW (called and swinging strike percentage).

    This wasn’t a guy ever destined to be a top prospect, and he’s hardly cracked an upper half of any organizational prospect list. That said, it’s never been a concern that the stuff hasn’t played. Ober dominated during his time in the minors with a 2.41 ERA and 11.1 K/9. The caveat is that it came in under 200 innings across four seasons. Injuries remain his chief bugaboo and he’s quickly approaching a new career high in innings pitched. For a team needing rotation help though, Ober’s emergence in 2021 should garner him serious consideration for an Opening Day roster spot next spring.

    Griffin Jax

    Taken in the 3rd round of the 2016 draft, Jax made his debut this season at 26-years-old. He went through a gambit of hoops to get here, first and foremost working around his commitment to the Air Force. Another guy that has never been considered highly when it comes to prospect status, Jax has succeeded at each level and always seemed “safe.”

    I opined that it seemed shocking no big league team wanted to take a chance on him as a Rule 5 option, but it’s great that he’s still with the Twins. Although the current 5.45 ERA is hardly anything to write home about, his 38 innings of work have been punctuated by the last four starts. Across those 20 1/3 innings he owns a 2.66 ERA and .153 batting average against. Those outings feature two tilts with the White Sox, and one against Houston; both of which are high-powered offenses. Jax isn’t a fireballer or big strikeout pitcher, but there’s also nothing he does particularly poorly.

    It’d be a long-shot to assume that Minnesota has a top half of the rotation arm here, but they’ve once again produced something of substance when it comes to rotation help and pitching depth. Jax hasn’t had the run needed to cement the belief that he’ll stick, but the track record and recent results suggest that he’s more than just a fleeting name during an otherwise lost season.

    Charlie Barnes

    Minnesota took Barnes out of Clemson in the 4th round of the 2017 draft. He’s the youngest of this group, not yet having reached his 26th birthday. He’s also seen the least amount of opportunity at the big league level, but it seems more could be in front of him down the stretch.

    Posting strong ERA numbers during his first two seasons of professional baseball, Barnes made it to Triple-A in year three at 23-years-old. In 2021 he forced his opportunity with the Twins by turning into a solid string of performances with the St. Paul Saints. Barnes doesn’t strike a ton of batters out, with just a 7.7 K/9 in the minors, but he’s done a decent job of limiting free passes and has been stingy with the home run ball. More of a soft-tosser, the lefty will need to miss additional bats as he looks for a lengthened opportunity to stick.

    Easily the most suspect arm in terms of both tools and production from this trio, Barnes has earned the role he’s currently in. There will need to be further advancement, but Minnesota pushing another fringe prospect to the big leagues is a win. His big-league debut against the Detroit Tigers went well, and despite the blow up against Cincinnati, he rebounded somewhat against a much tougher White Sox club. There’s more work to be done here, but this is a good foundation.

    The real takeaway here is that you can never have enough arms, and development isn't solely put in place for the top prospects. Minnesota has stockpiled pitching talent, and while it has taken time to bear fruit, the infrastructure implemented by Derek Falvey is beginning to pay off. We can only hope to see that in the coming years with more success stories like these, and realization of top tier talent as well.

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    3 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    Agreed.... But you can't do that if you don't have any pre arb pitching..... Now they do, apparently, so they can concentrate on fewer, better, free agents. 

    This is also my hope. Having Bailey Ober, or Dobnak even, for 2021 and beyond gives them opportunities to target Stroman, Gausman, etc for the coming years. They were wrong in targeting a 4/5 rather than another three this season, but the more pre-arb hits they have, the better the group as a whole is.

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    I have a hard time getting excited about pitching prospects when the Twins are clearly never going to hold on to them after they have developed.  I'm tired of the Twins developing pitchers for other teams. (Yup still p***ed about Berrios)

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    18 hours ago, TNtwins85 said:

    How do you develop #1, #2 types up to the majors when they are not to that point yet? Falvine and Co. are just supposed to take ober, Jax, beau f’n burrows and make them into aces? Come on man. Stop being so negative. Takes years to develop a prospect. Also with a whole lost season. Really?

    No, they are supposed to draft and trade for those types of guys.

    Raw talent is not something that can be coached. It is picked up and brought here by identifying it, then taking a chance and getting it here. Whether that is trading for it, drafting it with your top picks, paying more than the next team to bring them over here from a foreign country. 

    This is where I don't agree with most of you here. I think you need to take some risks on pitching if you ever want the kind of it that equates to real winning. 

     

     

     

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    It is still early in their careers to say any of them will do much.  However, I agree with the premises that they could be a sign of what to come.  Many fans looked at this year and say the FO has failed need a new one.  These young guys are the first real example of guys being brought up, and some drafted, by the current FO.  I am excited to see what some of the other guys will bring.  

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    Yeah, I think the argument that a cheap free agent comes with no risk is taking a very narrow viewpoint on the situation. Assigning anybody a 26 man roster spot without options or team control already comes with a substantial risk.

    In order to make the playoffs, a team needs each player on the 26 man roster to put up about 1.75 WAR on average. Considering teams often carry 8 man bullpens who definitely won't average more than 1 WAR per reliever, that means teams need to get 2.25 wins from their starters and position players on average.

    Giving a spot on the 26 man roster to a starting pitcher who isn't expected to produce at least 2.25 WAR means you're counting on the rest of your rotation and position players to make up for it.

    Essentially, signing a cheap rotation pitcher means you need to pay for the salary AND doubly-so if the pitcher can't produce at least 2.25 WAR.

     

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    1 hour ago, jgfellows said:

    I have a hard time getting excited about pitching prospects when the Twins are clearly never going to hold on to them after they have developed.  I'm tired of the Twins developing pitchers for other teams. (Yup still p***ed about Berrios)

    Clearly? I mean, I'm not sure that's fair when they just paid Kepler, Polanco, and Sano before hitting FA. I wanted Berrios and Buxton extended, however, if they're going to supplement the pre-arb pitchers with FA then getting an absolute haul from the Blue Jays was the right way to go.

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    2 hours ago, Battle ur tail off said:

    No, they are supposed to draft and trade for those types of guys.

    Raw talent is not something that can be coached. It is picked up and brought here by identifying it, then taking a chance and getting it here. Whether that is trading for it, drafting it with your top picks, paying more than the next team to bring them over here from a foreign country. 

    This is where I don't agree with most of you here. I think you need to take some risks on pitching if you ever want the kind of it that equates to real winning. 

     

     

     

    No one said anything different than that last sentence..... 

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    3 hours ago, Battle ur tail off said:

    No, they are supposed to draft and trade for those types of guys.

    Raw talent is not something that can be coached. It is picked up and brought here by identifying it, then taking a chance and getting it here. Whether that is trading for it, drafting it with your top picks, paying more than the next team to bring them over here from a foreign country. 

    This is where I don't agree with most of you here. I think you need to take some risks on pitching if you ever want the kind of it that equates to real winning. 

     

     

     

    I would agree with you on most of this. I’m of the camp that every 1st round pick should be a high ceiling type of pitcher. I was dissatisfied with drafting sabato last year when there were hs arms available. This year I think we should have taken another HS pitcher instead of Noah Miller. I’m in the same camp as you pretty much. I only disagreed with the fact that you’re saying they haven’t developed one yet this year. I don’t know where the #1 was coming from this year in general as there wasn’t one to develop this year in the mlb that is. As far as drafting and signing high upside arms early and often. I think the twins should draft high upside arms with the first 3 picks every year. How do you increase your chance of winning the lottery? You buy lots of tickets!

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    14 hours ago, TNtwins85 said:

    I would agree with you on most of this. I’m of the camp that every 1st round pick should be a high ceiling type of pitcher. I was dissatisfied with drafting sabato last year when there were hs arms available. This year I think we should have taken another HS pitcher instead of Noah Miller. I’m in the same camp as you pretty much. I only disagreed with the fact that you’re saying they haven’t developed one yet this year. I don’t know where the #1 was coming from this year in general as there wasn’t one to develop this year in the mlb that is. As far as drafting and signing high upside arms early and often. I think the twins should draft high upside arms with the first 3 picks every year. How do you increase your chance of winning the lottery? You buy lots of tickets!

    Do you have some basis for this strategy?  ie. Some form of articles or data regarding the success rates of draft picks?  My guess is that if you get outside the top 7-10 picks the success rate, at least in becoming a #1 type SP goes down substantially and when you get past the first 30-40 picks it goes way down.  So, I would want to know the success rate of position players drafted in the first 30-40 positions.  I think there are a lot of strong opinions formed by baseball fans with very little to support it.  For example, I heard a lot of the same rumblings about the Twins not signing the very top international free agents.  When, I actually went out an collected the data, the facts suggested a strategy of never spending over roughly $1.5M would yield better results.  It would be interesting to construct a list of the top 30 position players (by WAR) and the top 30 Pitchers for the past decade and determine the drafting position.

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