Pace of Play and the Twins

There are a lot of things to agree with on this thread. Like Jimmer said, I don't really mind a long game. I am an old guy so it's fine if the game goes long. I too can see where it is hard to attract new fans who may get bored easily and I understand the need to get home on a weeknight because of school, work, golf etc the next day. i think Jim Kaat had a really good point about batters. Have all of us ever watched a Red Sox - Yankees game? I think it is faster paced watching paint dry and mostly it is batters primping after every pitch. Do batters gloves really get loose after every pitch?

For those who think length of game isn't a problem, I'd suggest it might not be so much length of games as lateness of games.

During the Front Office Q&A session at TwinsFest, I asked how concerned the Twins are about pace of games, and Dave St. Peter said the big problem is that the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings are supposed to be the most exciting innings, and on many weeknight games you look around the stands and half the fans have left before the game reaches its conclusion.

I don't think this is ADD or a lack of attention span; it's that people have to get home after a weeknight game. I live in St. Paul, but when I take the bus & light rail to and from a game that's gone til 10:45, I'm often getting home close to midnight. People driving from the exurbs or further are experiencing the same thing--and if you've got kids, there's no way you're staying til the game concludes. That's a problem.

The one thing that irks me is the sheer number of pitching changes that occur, on average, in major league baseball games. This is a fairly modern phenomenon and it's getting "worse" year after year. Baseball has made all kind rules over the years to make the game better. How about limiting the number of relief pitchers that can be used in a game? I hope the Commissioner thinks about it. It wasn't a "problem" that needed to addressed 30 years ago, but it needs to be addressed now.

I'm also curious about strategies to cut down on pitching changes; that holds much more appeal to me than a pitch clock (even if it is on the books, it just seems distracting for me as a fan--and impossible to implement with runners on base, when the pitcher can just throw over to 1st to buy more time). The three main strategies I've seen are:

1) Outright limiting the number of pitching changes (with adjustments for extra innings). To me, that feels difficult to implement in a way that both impacts the game and doesn't have a radical impact on bullpen management (though in many ways, maybe that's not a loss).

2) Requiring pitchers to pitch to at least 2 or at least 3 batters after entering a game. This one's intriguing to me, but also somewhat radical and could have some problems around the margins (injuries, rain delays, etc.).

3) Capping the number of players who are primarily pitchers on the roster. This one probably holds the most appeal for me--I'd think it would have the least dramatic impact on strategy while still offering strong encouragement to limit pitching changes. And it could give birth to some "go both ways"-style players, i.e. a Drew Butera who's your back-up catcher but steps in to pitch occasionally when the bullpen's worn down (though classifying these sorts of players could cause problems).

SockNet, you don't think micro-managing from the bench and bullpen use have radically changed in the last 20 or so years?  

 

Absolutely it has, as one would expect due to the specialization of relief pitching. I'm all for looking at and maybe changing how mound visits can be done. But does that third or fourth pitching change make up the additional 29 minutes over the past 10 years the article mentions? Get rid of "God Bless America", mascot races, foundation recognitions and the rest of the between inning stuff and see where we're at. Add a little hustling on and off the field and you will have a pace that resembles a college baseball game, and thats with pitches and defensive positioning being called from the dugout. Once you have 2.5 minutes between innings though commercials won't be done before action resumes. 

Twins could shorten their game times by getting people out and not making five pitching changes per game to do so.

I'm old school and something needs to be done re: pace/time of the games. Way tooooo slooow. I lose interest and I understand all the arguments for letting it be as is, but, there is no reason that a batter steps out as much as they do to adjust equipment or the pitchers hem and haw as much as they do.

 

I'd rather see a no step out rule for batters and the pitcher must pitch when umpire is ready. Let the umpire count count "1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi etc." until he gets to "5 Mississippi" and call a ball.

 

Also stop all the visits to the mounds by limiting them to once per pitcher. They can talk in the dugout between innings

I completely agree.  No more stepping out of the box for very pitch.  No more calling time to slow down the pitcher.  If you need to adjust your gloves do so between pitches.  On the flip side a pitch clock for the pitcher.

So Pelfrey wasn't one of the three worst at far as pace goes?  Haven't we heard about how slow he is in like every start since he's been here?