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  • Twins to Promote Olympic Medalist Joe Ryan, Slated to Start Wednesday


    Seth Stohs

    The Twins will promote right-handed pitcher Joe Ryan when rosters expand on Wednesday, and he will make his MLB debut on Wednesday night at Target Field against the Chicago Cubs. Ryan was the top prospect acquired when the Twins traded away Nelson Cruz to the Rays. As such, he is one of the team’s most intriguing players and important components to future success. So who is he and how has water polo helped him on the mound?

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    When the Twins take on the Cubs on Wednesday night against the Cubs, we will be able to watch the major-league debut of Joe Ryan. Darren Wolfson reports that Ryan is being promoted tomorrow, with rosters expanding on September 1st, and the expectation is that he'll take the hill at Target Field in Kenta Maeda's place on Wednesday.

    It's been a pretty crazy travel schedule for the former Rays prospect the past two months. In late June, he headed to the Olympics in Tokyo. Upon his return to the States, he went to North Carolina to pack up and move to the Twin Cities. He has spent the past couple of weeks with the Saints, making starts at CHS Field, and in Toledo. He was in Columbus, Ohio, when he learned that he got The Call. And now he will be back in Minneapolis, excited for his debut.  

    Scouting Report
    Joe Ryan is a fastball pitcher. He throws, literally, at least 70% fastballs. But it’s not because he has huge velocity; his fastball sits between 90 and 93 mph. Like another Twins pitcher, it has proved more effective than the radar gun readings.

    Bailey Ober sits 91-93 mph with his fastball, his length allows him to release the ball closer to home plate. In essence, he can make 91 look like 94 just because of that release point. 

    Joe Ryan is only 6-2, but he still has some deception in his delivery. He throws from a lower release point. While the average pitcher’s release point is 5.9 feet, Ryan’s average release point is just 4.8 feet from the ground. Not one starting pitcher in the big leagues throws from that low. He also gets Ober-like extension in front of the mound. It’s something that he credits his water polo background with helping him. He told Verducci in a Sports Illustrated article

    Here's a breakdown of Joe Ryan by Twins Daily's own Nash Walker:

    “"In water polo you learn how to skip the ball,” he says. “I spent 10 years trying to skip the ball in water polo, and it’s the same concept as throwing a fastball: Get the shoulder in position and then let the hand work and get it out front. Throwing a baseball feels the same way. You get that zip right at the end.”

    He has always had supreme confidence in his fastball, even though he doesn’t throw it real hard. He has a swagger. He believes that his movement and location will make it difficult for the hitter to square up. When he gets ahead, he - again like Ober - can get a lot of swings-and-missed up in or just above the strike zone. In fact, in his two starts with the Saints, he struck out 17 batters in just nine innings. 

    In 2019, Ryan was pitching in High-A Charlotte. His pitching coach was Doc Watson. In a 2019 Baseball America article, he shared a story about facing then-Miracle outfielder Trevor Larnach, who was the Florida State League MVP that season: 

    “Several guys kept saying ‘I’ve not seen a fastball like that in my career, “High Class A Charlotte pitching coach Doc Watson said. “Even when we were playing Fort Myers, (Trevor) Larnach, who’s their best hitter, in my opinion, he made a comment … he said ‘Doc, I’m gonna tell you what, that arm is electric. It comes through and you do not see the baseball until it’s on top of you.’ so I’ll take it from them and just say that it is an electric arm.””

    But Ryan has also shown a solid slider. In his two starts since joining the Saints, he has been able to locate it at the knees and near the outside corner very consistently. It will obviously be an important second pitch for him to keep hitters off balance. Even within that, he throws a couple different sliders. Sometimes it acts like a cutter, and just moves enough to stay off a barrel. Other times, he’ll throw the slider with a bigger break. He will also throw a slower, more 12-to-6 curveball. 

    Joe Ryan turned 25 years old in June, and he sits on the precipice of a lifelong dream and goal, the big leagues. It’s been a somewhat unusual path to get here, and to land with the Twins. 

    Background
    Joe Ryan grew up in Northern California, miles north of the Golden Gate Bridge. He led a unique early life. From a Tom Verducci article in Sports Illustrated, Ryan “grew up without travel ball, video games or cable while living an old-fashioned Tom Sawyer life in the shadow of Mount Tamalpais and Muir Woods in Marin County, California”

    His father, Kurtis, was “an extreme athlete and runner.” The family didn’t have cable TV. He didn’t play video games until middle school. At age 8, he entered a 7.2 mile cross-country race with his dad. He and his dad went into the mountains to camp, fish and hunt. He played water polo competitively, even during the baseball season. 

    He attended Sir Francis Drake High School in San Anselmo, California. As a senior, he went 12-1 with a 0.76 ERA. He was drafted in the 39th round by his hometown San Francisco Giants. 

    Instead of signing, Ryan headed to Los Angeles to attend Cal State - Northridge. As a freshman, he pitched in 13 games (9 out of the bullpen) and posted a 1.48 ERA in 30 1/3 innings. As a sophomore, seven of his 11 appearances were starts. He went 1-2 with a 3.35 ERA in 40 1/3 innings. As a junior in 2017, he posted a 12.79 ERA in just 6 1/3 innings due to lat injury. 

    At the end of that season, he decided to transfer. If he had gone to another Division I school, he would have had to sit out a year. The Twins and other teams tried to sign him as a non-drafted free agent that summer. Instead, he headed back to northern California and went to Division II Cal State - Stanislaus. It proved to be a great decision for him. In 14 starts - and with health - Ryan went 8-1 with a 1.65 ERA in 98 1/3 innings. He had 127 strikeouts with just 13 walks. 

    In June of 2018, the Tampa Bay Rays selected him with their seventh-round draft pick. Because he had received a medical redshirt that junior season, he had some leverage and signed for just shy of $150,000, about $60,000 under slot value.

    He spent that summer in the New York-Penn League, but in 2019 he raced through three levels of the minors, making it to AA. He also led the entire minor leagues in strikeouts (183) in just 123 2/3 innings, while walking only 27 batters. 

    He didn’t pitch officially in 2020 due to the pandemic, but he did work out at the Rays alternate site and continued to progress under the Rays’ strong pitcher development program. 

    He began the 2021 season at Triple-A Durham. He pitched in 12 games (11 starts) and went 4-3 with a 3.63 ERA. In 57 innings, he walked just ten and struck out 75 batters. 

    He then was named to the Team USA Olympic team and had a fantastic run. He started the team’s first game in the tournament. He then was the starting pitcher against Korea in the semi-finals, a win that put USA into the Gold Medal game. The team won the silver medal, but Ryan really impressed. 

    While in Japan, he learned that he had been traded (along with RHP Drew Strotman) and has made two starts for the St. Paul Saints. In the first start, he struck out the first six batters he faced and nine batters over four innings of work. 

    In his second start, last Thursday, he struck out nine batters in five innings. In his two starts, he only gave up five hits and two runs over nine innings, to go with seventeen strikeouts. Turns out that was enough to prove to the Twins brass that it was time to call him up. 

    On Wednesday, Joe Ryan will make his long-anticipated Twins debut (long-awaited in this case being since the July 31st trade) at Target Field against the Chicago Cubs. It's always fun to watch an MLB debut, but Twins fans should be excited about seeing Ryan for the season's final month. 

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    25 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

    He may be our staff ace but that's b/c the staff is a joke. He's getting called up in Sept of his 25th year. By the same time, Berrios was a two time all star and had made nearly 100 ML starts.

    I think Ryan will be a real ML pitcher and capable of staying up in the majors. But he won't be as good as Berrios. He's a solid back of the rotation pitcher. Which we need.

    Yeah, I can’t really see him peaking higher than a #3 but that’s valuable.

    I also hope I’m wrong. 

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    3 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    Yeah, I can’t really see him peaking higher than a #3 but that’s valuable.

    I also hope I’m wrong. 

    I think 3 is his starter peak, but if they had starters, he'd probably be a great RP, like Joe Nathan like.....that said, they have only 1 starter for next year, so he needs to start.....

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    People don't like hair, but beer drinking unhealthy obesity is just fine for them, as long as the hair is short. Go figure.

    Joe didn't need any warmup in St. Paul after what I saw in the wee hours during the Olympics, and he proceded in short order to demonstrate what a waste of time that was, but whatever. Glad they got with it and loaded him up to the show. Looking forward......

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    2 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    Yeah, I can’t really see him peaking higher than a #3 but that’s valuable.

    I also hope I’m wrong. 

    Berrios is a 2nd or 3rd starter on most competitive pitching rosters. Not really a high bar. He could easily put up Berrios numbers. 

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    Regarding Ryan’s potential as a top, mid, or backend starter, I think his unique profile makes him really hard to predict. Not many guys throw a single pitch so often, especially fastballs. Most guys who do are relievers. Even so, Ryan has been successful in the minors due in large part to his unusual arm motion. To my amateur eyes, his ceiling is a bit better than what we got in Berrios. A less good (but still acceptable) outcome is that he throws quality innings from the bullpen. I think a fair expectation is something like Lance McCullers, but with lots of fastballs instead of curves: a dependable mid rotation arm you trust to compete in a playoff series. 

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    5 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

    Keep the hair, keep the swagger.  This is exciting, even if his first appearance goes bad, he has made the jump and I think it will be a real boost to the team.

    Jim Bouton, in his book Ball Four, wrote that a short haircut, a buzz, if you will, added x number of perceived mph to his fastball.

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    Just now, RickOShea said:

    Jim Bouton, in his book Ball Four, that a short haircut, a buzz, if you will, added x number of perceived mph to his fastball.

    Personally, long, sweaty hair rubbing against my neck would bother the hell out of me.

    Just now, RickOShea said:

    Jim Bouton, in his book Ball Four, that a short haircut, a buzz, if you will, added x number of perceived mph to his fastball.

    He also said his nickname, Bulldog, enhanced his persona, as well.

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    5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    Guess they weren't playing service time games with Ryan (shocker some here were wrong about that).....

    I think most of the service time conjecture was because people couldn't wrap their minds around why he wasn't already on the 40 man and up with the MLB club.  One of the few explanations left was service time because there wasn't really any other reason for them not to bring him up. So not too surprised people would go there.  Maybe a little early but we've seen it before when it doesn't make sense.  Most likely MIranda will be the next one with that conjecture because he has little left to prove as well and crickets to this point.

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    29 minutes ago, Dman said:

    I think most of the service time conjecture was because people couldn't wrap their minds around why he wasn't already on the 40 man and up with the MLB club.  One of the few explanations left was service time because there wasn't really any other reason for them not to bring him up. So not too surprised people would go there.  Maybe a little early but we've seen it before when it doesn't make sense.  Most likely MIranda will be the next one with that conjecture because he has little left to prove as well and crickets to this point.

    In Ryan's case, not being called up made a lot of sense. He only started two games after the uneven schedule of the Olympics.

    Miranda? You got me there. I feel he should have been with the team when Donaldson couldn't play third. I suspect it's a 40-man decision but I still don't like it.

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    43 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    In Ryan's case, not being called up made a lot of sense. He only started two games after the uneven schedule of the Olympics.

    Miranda? You got me there. I feel he should have been with the team when Donaldson couldn't play third. I suspect it's a 40-man decision but I still don't like it.

    Right but I think the article that started those comments was why isn't Ryan in the majors or something like that.  Service time would fall under  the reasons why.

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    2 minutes ago, Dman said:

    Right but I think the article that started those comments was why isn't Ryan in the majors or something like that.  Service time would fall under  the reasons why.

    I don't really see how you draw that conclusion. Ryan went to the Olympics, pitched on an erratic schedule, returned and started two games, and now is going to pitch in Minneapolis.

    That's pretty clearly a development and preparation decision with little to nothing to do with service time.

    When could the Twins have called up Ryan, the day before he pitched the semifinal game in Tokyo? The timeline doesn't work out.

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    25 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    I don't really see how you draw that conclusion. Ryan went to the Olympics, pitched on an erratic schedule, returned and started two games, and now is going to pitch in Minneapolis.

    That's pretty clearly a development and preparation decision with little to nothing to do with service time.

    When could the Twins have called up Ryan, the day before he pitched the semifinal game in Tokyo? The timeline doesn't work out.

    I don't know You tell me isn't this the statement that got some of us wondering if service time might be an issue?

     

    Joe Ryan was in Tokyo pitching for Team USA until... he wasn't. And while I supported the logical step of letting him have a few starts in the Twins organization to re-acclimate himself to the cycles of American baseball and familiarize himself with his new organization, this season isn't going to last forever. Every start the Twins give to the likes of Andrew Albers into September is one fewer start they can use to evaluate the likes of Joe Ryan.

    The Twins were put into a really bad situation with Strotman struggling, Ryan in Tokyo, and seemingly half their minor leagues injured. I'm willing to be patient when things spiral out of the team's control and they're forced to run Charlie Barnes out there every fifth day.

    Except my patience runs out when other, vastly superior options become available. And as of about 8pm yesterday, a *very* attractive option became available and the Uber ride to Target Field won't even cost the team $30.

    Two games and this is what he has done. Never mind that he pitched to a 1.50 ERA in the Olympics, including a 4.1 IP with 1 ER in the silver medal game against Team Japan.

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    4 minutes ago, Dman said:

    Joe Ryan was in Tokyo pitching for Team USA until... he wasn't. And while I supported the logical step of letting him have a few starts in the Twins organization to re-acclimate himself to the cycles of American baseball and familiarize himself with his new organization, this season isn't going to last forever. Every start the Twins give to the likes of Andrew Albers into September is one fewer start they can use to evaluate the likes of Joe Ryan.

    The Twins were put into a really bad situation with Strotman struggling, Ryan in Tokyo, and seemingly half their minor leagues injured. I'm willing to be patient when things spiral out of the team's control and they're forced to run Charlie Barnes out there every fifth day.

    Except my patience runs out when other, vastly superior options become available. And as of about 8pm yesterday, a *very* attractive option became available and the Uber ride to Target Field won't even cost the team $30.

    Two games and this is what he has done. Never mind that he pitched to a 1.50 ERA in the Olympics, including a 4.1 IP with 1 ER in the silver medal game against Team Japan.

    Yeah, this is quoting me. And guess what, Joe Ryan literally will not make another start with the Saints and the Twins are doing exactly what they should be doing.

    Which was my point all along. After all, I said...

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    And while I supported the logical step of letting him have a few starts in the Twins organization to re-acclimate himself to the cycles of American baseball and familiarize himself with his new organization, this season isn't going to last forever.

    And then the Twins called him up six days later. I find it hard to complain when they do the things I'm vocal about wanting them to do. They literally did exactly what I wanted them to do.

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    6 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    Yeah, this is quoting me. And guess what, Joe Ryan literally will not make another start with the Saints and the Twins are doing exactly what they should be doing.

    Which was my point all along. After all, I said...

    And then the Twins called him up six days later. I find it hard to complain when they do the things I'm vocal about them doing.

    Right and Mike said gee whiz why would people think this might be a service time issue and I said golly gee whiz we all were wondering why they weren't calling him up.  So I am simply stating I can see why people would think that since you literally put the same thing out like a day or two ago.  That's it.  Nothing that controversial I don't think.

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    3 hours ago, RickOShea said:

    Jim Bouton, in his book Ball Four, wrote that a short haircut, a buzz, if you will, added x number of perceived mph to his fastball.

    Jim Bouton was 63 - 63 despite pitching for the yankees and had 7.5 War in 10 years.  I expect more from Ryan.  Keep the hair. 

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    2 hours ago, Dman said:

    Right and Mike said gee whiz why would people think this might be a service time issue and I said golly gee whiz we all were wondering why they weren't calling him up.  So I am simply stating I can see why people would think that since you literally put the same thing out like a day or two ago.  That's it.  Nothing that controversial I don't think.

    Fair enough! Though my personal point was significantly more nuanced and deserves recognition as such.

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    1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

    If pitching as well as Berrios is so damned easy how come almost nobody else can do it? He's one of the top 30 pitchers in the league.

    It's kind of amazing how Minnesotans extend their "yeah, you betcha" attitude to elite athletes.

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