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    Seth Stohs

    There are certain days in a baseball season that people just know, just remember. Opening Day is obviously a big one. At Twins Daily, the days of the MLB Draft are very busy and warrant their own thread. The July 31 Non-Waivers Trade Deadline is another one of those days. This article can be used to discuss any trades and rumors that happen up until the 3:00 deadline.

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    Rumors certainly ran rampant throughout the day on Thursday. Things were fairly quiet on the Twins front, though talk picked up later in the evening regarding the San Diego Padres. Are the Padres going to sell? It certainly seems like it. Who are they looking to trade? Could Justin Upton really be of interest to the Twins, and if so, what would they have to give up to get him? Joaquin Benoit and Shawn Kelley are probably available. Which would the Twins prefer? Can, as Jeremy asked a couple of days ago, they really be interested in James Shields? Could they rid themselves of Ricky Nolasco’s contract at the same time?

    Now it sounds like the Padres and Astros (who have been busy this past week) are talking about relievers, so there will be competition for their players. The Yankees are reportedly now interested in Craig Kimbrel. My sense is that GM AJ Preller and the Padres will be quite busy on Friday.

    The Twins certainly have some trade chips. Buxton, Sano and Berrios are likely untouchable, but could Max Kepler be in play? If so, getting three hits (including two home runs) on Thursday night likely improves his value. He is now hitting .337/.418/.553 (.971) with 25 doubles, nine triples and six home runs in 77 games with the Lookouts. He has very good speed as evidenced by his nine triples but also his 13 stolen bases. He can play all three outfield positions and first base. If he is traded, the Twins had better get a nice haul for him! He’s certainly demanding people’s attention around baseball circles.

    Jorge Polanco played well in his start at shortstop on Thursday night, collecting two hits and getting on base three times. Would the Twins consider trading him, or would they prefer to deal Danny Santana? Would teams be interested in him?

    It was certainly noteworthy that the Twins flip-flopped LHP Stephen Gonsalves with RHP Kohl Stewart in the Ft. Myers rotation. Stewart had his scheduled start pushed from Thursday (before deadline) to Friday (after deadline). Could it be that they just felt Stewart needed a day off? Sure. Could it be that the Twins didn’t want to risk an injury to Stewart so that he could be traded? It sure could. Stewart’s name has popped up in rumors.

    Now, we know that the Twins typically are not huge players at the trade deadline. They aren’t typically a team that is going to give up a ton of high-quality prospects for elite talents. That said, they have been an active team most years at the deadline. Here’s a quick look at Twins moves in late July in recent years:

    • July 24, 2014 – Traded DH Kendrys Morales to Seattle for RHP Stephen Pryor.
    • July 31, 2014 – Traded OF Sam Fuld to Oakland for LHP Tommy Milone.
    • July 31, 2013 – Traded C Drew Butera to the LA Dodgers for a PTBNL (Miguel Sulburan).
    • July 28, 2012 – Traded LHP Francisco Liriano to the Chicago White Sox for IF Eduardo Escobar & LHP Pedro Hernandez.
    • July 29, 2010 – Traded LHP Joe Testa and C Wilson Ramos to Washington for RHP Matt Capps.
    • July 31, 2009 – Traded SS Tyler Ladendorf to Oakland for SS Orlando Cabrera.
    • July 31, 2007 – Traded 2B Luis Castillo to the NY Mets for OF Dustin Martin and C Drew Butera.
    • July 31, 2006 – Traded RHP Kyle Lohse to Cincinnati for RHP Zach Ward.
    • July 31, 2004 – Traded 1B Doug Mientkiewicz to Boston in a four-team traded, received LHP Justin Jones from the Cubs.
    • July 16, 2003 – Traded OF Bobby Kielty to Toronto for OF Shannon Stewart and a PTBNL (LHP Dave Gassner).
    • July 12, 2002 – Traded OF Brian Buchanan to San Diego for SS Jason Bartlett.
    • July 28, 2001 – Traded LHP Mark Redman to Detroit for RHP Todd Jones.
    • July 30, 2001 – Traded OF Matt Lawton to NY Mets for RHP Rick Reed.
    • July 15, 2000 – Traded OF Butch Huskey and 2B Todd Walker to Colorado for 1B Todd Sears.
    • July 31, 2000 – Traded 1B/OF Mario Valdez to Oakland for C Danny Ardoin.
    • July 31, 1998 – Traded OF Orlando Merced and LHP Greg Swindell to Boston for RHP Matt Kinney, OF John Barnes and LHP Joe Thomas.
    • July 6, 1995 – Traded RHP Rick Aguilera to Boston for RHP Frankie Rodriguez and PTBNL (OF JJ Johnson)
    • July 7, 1995 – Traded RHP Scott Erickson to Baltimore for RHP Scott Klingenbeck and PTBNL (OF Kimera Bartee)
    • July 31, 1995 – Traded LHP Mark Guthrie and RHP Kevin Tapani to LA Dodgers for IF Ron Coomer, RHP Greg Hansell, RHP Jose Parra and PTBNL (OF Chris Latham).
    • July 31, 1989 – Traded LHP Frank Viola to the NY Mets for RHP Rick Aguilera, RHP Kevin Tapani., LHP David West, RHP Tim Drummond and PTBNL (RHP Jack Savage).
    • July 31, 1987 – Traded PTBNL (RHP Jeff Perry) to Cleveland for LHP Steve Carlton.

    There is certainly a mix of good trades, bad trades and forgettable trades.

    The trade deadline this year has been surprising. There haven't been a lot of minor trades. There have been a lot of big names traded all over. Just five teams (including the Twins and the Padres) have yet to make a single move this month as we approach these final hours. I’d expect both of them to make moves on Friday.

    On Thursday, there was a crazy 13-player, three-team trade between the Dodgers, the Braves and the Marlins. Carlos Gomez thought he was going from Milwaukee to the Mets on Wednesday night. That trade was called off, and on Thursday he (and Mike Fiers) were dealt to Houston. After getting Troy Tulowitzki earlier in the week, the Blue Jays gave up LHP Daniel Norris and more to get David Price for the rest of this season. In case you missed it late on Wednesday night, the Rangers sent five prospects to the Phillies for Cole Hamels.

    It’s been a very interesting deadline and now we are on the actual day of the deadline. Sure, things will happen in August too, but it should be a very exciting day.

    Feel free to use this thread to discuss moves and rumors throughout the day, particularly those regarding the Minnesota Twins.

    Twins Daily will attempt to keep up with everything and if the team does make a deal, check back for even more coverage.

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    Underwhelming. A nice complementary guy having a down season but I hope he's not the only addition.

    He's better than anyone else in the bullpen beyond Perkins.  The deal is contingent on what they gave up.  Given the price of difference makers, I'm glad the Twins aren't overly eager to deal from their minor league depth.  (And this is colored by my belief that the Twins are really only pseudo-competitive, and really wouldn't ahve much playoff longevity even if they make the wildcard.)

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    He's better than anyone else in the bullpen beyond Perkins.  The deal is contingent on what they gave up.  Given the price of difference makers, I'm glad the Twins aren't overly eager to deal from their minor league depth.  (And this is colored by my belief that the Twins are really only pseudo-competitive, and really wouldn't ahve much playoff longevity even if they make the wildcard.)

    I agree but the Twins need at least two guys better than everybody they have to stabilize the bullpen.

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    I saw on twitter that the Marlins are taking offers on Carter Capps, the guy with a 17 k/9. I could see Loria trying to dump more salary on someone to take him. He got almost nothing for latos or haren.

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    LaVelle E. Neal III ‏@LaVelleNeal  2m2 minutes ago
    Twins will send Rays Chin-Wei Hu and Alexis Tapia

     

    Hu is too much, damn.

     

    Jepson is arb eligible again this winter, but I feel we could have gotten a better RP for him.  I think this is a seller's market for sure.

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    I don't mind Jepsen, would be nice to see Benoit type as well.

     

    I just hope they can upgrade at catcher. Be a little bold Terry, go get Lucroy!

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    ????

     

    Jays are mostly acquiring long term assets back....mostly, not totally.

     

    The Astros are filled with young guys, this isn't some aging team.

     

    I think the Astros have made this deadline extra frustrating. We were in the same boat in 2012. Same boat in 2013. Same boat in 2014. Same boat in March. Same boat in May. Same boat in early July.

     

    The Twins are not doing moves because "we don't want to mortgage the future", but I don't think we'd say that Houston seems to have mortgaged anything, yet they have significantly improved their potential playoff team while we sit here with essentially the same potential playoff team as we had 3 weeks ago. 

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    Heard earlier that the Padres were insisting that Mateo be included in the Kimbrel deal....then is sounds like the Yankees included him, but the Padres thought they could do better....yikes no wonder the Padres didn't deal anybody (as of now, I know stuff could still be rolling in).

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    Sooo, will the big losers of the day be the Padres? Holding on to just about everybody because they thought they were holding all the chips.

    Nice try to change the subject TR!

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    Here's a national guy agreeing with the Twins deadline approach. I would have added a minimum of one more reliever but I don't exactly disagree.

     

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-trade-deadline-winners-losers-blue-jays-royals-dodgers-mets-padres-yankees/?ex_cid=story-twitter

     

     

     

    In recent seasons, Pirates GM Neal Huntington found himself entering July with a team playing better than its roster makeup and underlying stats suggested, and the main wave of prospects still a couple of years away. So he’d respond to the pressure to buy by picking up a platoon first baseman here or a good reliever there, without touching the Gerrit Cole- or Gregory Polanco-level prospects in his farm system. It was a hedge toward his team continuing to exceed expectations without blowing up the future. And now that we’re in the future, with Pittsburgh on its way to its third playoff berth in as many years, Huntington looks pretty smart.

     

    I was a huge fan of Huntington’s customary annual head fake toward buying at the deadline, and I’m an equally huge fan of Twins GM Terry Ryan doing the same this week. The Twins, who hold the AL’s second wild-card spot at the moment but will have to hold off a very crowded field of contenders to stay there, could’ve used an upgrade at catcher, shortstop, or in the starting rotation (because everyone needs more pitching). And if Ryan had chosen to pursue that course of action, he could’ve dealt from a comic-book supervillain’s arsenal of prospects. But instead of going after Hamels or Price, he made a low-profile move for Kevin Jepsen, who’s an OK reliever, and nothing else.

     

    I like a few things about this: First, it shows faith in the young players already up and challenges Eddie Rosario and Miguel Sano to prove that they can carry a team to the playoffs now. If that works, it’s a huge psychological and perceptional boost for the franchise and those young stars. Second, even if it doesn’t work, it’s something that the Twins would’ve gone 85-77 — or wherever they end up — with only half a season of Sano and Ervin Santana, and having gotten nothing from Byron Buxton, J.O. Berrios, and Jorge Polanco. It’s easier to build when you don’t sell off all the materials you need before you’re done, and by standing pat, Ryan has set up the Twins to continue to be just fine now and absolutely bonkers in the near future.

     

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    And, how do you propose fixing catcher or short stop next year, if you are not allowed to trade?

     

    And considering a total of 2 SS (traded for each other) and 0 Cs were moved at the deadline, there wasn't exactly a huge number of those pieces floating out there.

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    The article praised them for not trading for a catcher or short stop.......i assume trading for one next year would therefore be a mistake. Ergo my question, how do they fix those next year?

     

    I don't consider Grantland and ESPN the same, but fair. My point was that not everyone agrees it was a good deadline. Nothing more or less.

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