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  • Official Trade Deadline Day Thread

    Seth Stohs

    By Seth Stohs

    At 3:00 central time today, the annual non-waivers trade deadline will pass. The Twins already made one move. Thursday night, they traded Eduardo Nunez to the San Francisco Giants for Adalberto Mejia. Will they be able to reach any more trade agreements today?

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    Several Twins players have had their names mentioned in trade rumors over the last couple of weeks.

    The player seemingly most likely to be traded before the deadline is catcher Kurt Suzuki. He has been mentioned in rumors for a month, and teams can always use a backup catcher. Suzuki is putting together one of his best seasons with the bat and has always had a strong reputation for working with pitchers.

    When Jonathan Lucroy used his veto power to void a trade to Cleveland yesterday, it may have slowed the process. Cleveland is one possible destination for the Twins backstop, though there are several others that would be interested in Suzuki as well.

    At least two Twins bullpen arms are also garnering a lot of attention from scouts the last couple of weeks. Fernando Abad was terrific the first couple of months of the season. He hasn't been as good of late, but the left-hander should be of interest to some teams

    Brandon Kintzler, like Abad, came to the Twins on a minor league contract before the season. He began the season in Rochester. Since he has come up to the Twins, he has been terrific. Kintzler took over the closer's role and has been very good. He missed most of last season with a knee injury, but he has come back stronger this year.

    Since both players are under team control for at least another year, Rob Antony needs to weigh the return with what they believe the pitchers can be next year. On the other side of that coin, the Twins need to make room for the likes JT Chargois, Mason Melotakis and others.

    Could the Twins find a taker who wants Ervin Santana enough to take on the remainder (or most) of his contract and give the Twins a quality prospect or two? Toronto has reportedly shown a lot of interest of late.

    It's hard to imagine a Tommy Milone or Ricky Nolasco trade today, but could the Twins find a team to take them before the August waiver deadline?

    Could the Twins deal Brian Dozier for a big haul? Would they? Do they trust the potential of Jorge Polanco?

    If the Twins make a trade or three before the deadline, we will attempt to post a new article right away, but as rumors and other trades around the league occur, be sure to use this thread to discuss and make predictions.

    How many deals will the Twins make?

    Seth Stohs has been blogging about the Minnesota Twins since May 2003. A founder and owner of Twins Daily, Seth has been a Twins fan for 40 years and has a passion for covering the minor leagues and prospects.
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    insane16

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    If you ever mentioned that Nolasco had a better FIP or xFIP than ERA there was some backlash. Now with Santiago   suddenly it means something. One way statistics for the boo birds

    Who is the 5th Twins starter after Santana, Santiago, Gibson and Berrios?

    I have read that Duffey and Milone are both headed for the pen to join Kintzler, May, Pressley, Tonkin, Rogers and Boshers

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    drivlikejehu

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    I think he means "except" as in "only."

     

    No, I mean "except." Over very large sample sizes ERA is a better predictor than FIP and xFIP because pitchers do vary in their "true" BABIP and HR/FB ability.

     

    The sample size progression goes:

     

    xFIP - FIP - ERA

     

    For a tiny number of innings, xFIP is better because HRs can distort FIP. Over larger samples FIP is better because it captures the pitcher's "true" HR/FB ability. Over really large samples ERA is best because it accounts for that plus BABIP.

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    SwainZag

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    Who is the 5th Twins starter after Santana, Santiago, Gibson and Berrios?

    I have read that Duffey and Milone are both headed for the pen to join Kintzler, May, Pressley, Tonkin, Rogers and Boshers

    Duffy is going back to the rotation

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    alarp33

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    Can you explain how it is inexcusable that they did not trade him when your evaluation of him is that he is "terrible"?   What exactly were they supposed to get for a terrible player?  Given your general assessment of Suzuki, why would you think he should have been easy to trade?

    Anything is better than nothing, and I believe I only said he was a terrible defensive catcher, in reply to a post that was specifically saying he should be kept around for his defense

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    alarp33

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    Well, if you look at it that way, why would any contending team trade for him??

    Did you see I specifically only commented on his defense and leading a young pitching staff? Read again

     

    They would trade for him because currently he's an offensive upgrade for some teams. Also, I wouldn't have expected a big return

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    insane16

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    Duffy is going back to the rotation

    Thanks for that info.

    I suspected that.

    Milone has been good for 3-4 innings, so the bullpen may work for him.

    If Duffey stinks again, he'll get a four-week-vacation in upstate NY.

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    Major League Ready

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    Anything is better than nothing, and I believe I only said he was a terrible defensive catcher, in reply to a post that was specifically saying he should be kept around for his defense

    I understand where you are coming from but there is a limited amount of man power working a lot of deals in a very short period of time.  Do you really want to waste time working on a deal that returns nothing or focus as much attention as possible to the deals that have a return associated with them?

     

    We also have Berrios joining the rotation and hopefully Chargois will be up soon as well. I think there is value in having a veteran catcher to help them get started at this level.

    It comes down to he is not blocking anyone so what is the point of moving him for nothing in return? 

     

    These deadline deals are kind of like playing chicken.  You have to be willing to hold your ground until the very end.  Sometimes the other side is not going to give in and the deal does not get done.  I guess the point of all of this is I don’t understand why anyone would complain about the FO for not giving away Kurt Suzuki.

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    laloesch

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    Even if the only difference is which arm they throw with, it gives them a lefty in the rotation which the Twins always seem to want. This trade then eliminates the need for Milone too.

     

    I'm hoping that's the next step here over the next couple of days.  Place Milone, Plouffe and Suzuki on waivers and see what comes up. 

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