Official 2020 Trade Deadline Thread

 

RE: Cleveland

 

This is the second year in row they've let go of an ace starting pitcher at the trade deadline when they were seemingly competing for the postseason. Last year, at least, they added help in the form of Puig and Reyes. This year ... no so much.

 

I get not wanting to have malcontents on your team, but this seems a pretty high price to pay for clubhouse harmony. This is purely speculation, but I wonder if the org is bowing too much to Francona's wishes. It almost seems like CLE was going to dump Clevinger one way or the other, and this is the best (non-division) offer they got. 

 

Whatever. I'll take it. I like having him out of the division, out of the AL, and I think Cleveland got worse unless they make some other big moves at the deadline.

 

They just add Triston McKenzie in his place and call it good. 

 

Clevenger was supposed to be toxic, bad person, not real good in the clubhouse, and had poisoned his relationship with a lot of players on the club.   Cleveland did not get a great return, but time will tell.

 

That's also 2 years in a row with similar trades. I'm not saying 2 players makes a pattern, but it seems like it isn't the happiest clubhouse.

 

That's also 2 years in a row with similar trades. I'm not saying 2 players makes a pattern, but it seems like it isn't the happiest clubhouse.

Not to mention the endless rumors about how you won't be able to afford lindor when his contract is up. They definitely do things their own way

So who are we going to get? Shannon Stewart, Matt Capps or Sam Dyson?

 

It does look a little light, but if you look at the 2019 stats for Cantillo, Miller and Arias, it looks a whole lot better for Cleveland. They're all at least trending in the right way.

 

The other three appear to be roster filler at this point, but Quantrill - at least on the surface - has been good in the pen this year and Naylor is still young enough that he could turn into a serviceable bench piece. Hedges probably is what he is at this point.

 

 

I think you're probably right. FanGraph has Cantillo, Arias, and Miller ranked #12, #16, and #25 in a system that is one of the very best and deepest in all of baseball. And Cleavenger is clearly an a**hat.

 

So who are we going to get? Shannon Stewart, Matt Capps or Sam Dyson?

 

Come on man, this is just ridiculous.  It's a whole new regime now.

 

It's obviously going to be Kevin Jepsen.

Marte and Hader are the class of what is left. Bradley is possible if they no longer want to use Rogers. Lynn might go to the Yankees but would be a good addition. I wish we knew if and when Buxton and Garver were coming back. Donaldson might come back on Labor Day. Buxton however, stays hurt and it may be time to move on from him. There was even a rumor of Bogarts coming to us. DO NOT trade for Gallo. He's exactly like Sano and we don't need any more of those. Yaztremski would be interesting. Where are our prospects? Why aren't they being played at all? Are they that bad? The "not ready" is baloney. Let's get going. The time is NOW. And home field should not be the excuse because there are no fans anyway. Only getting last licks is the advantage. Damn- They should have never let Schoop go as I had said before.

Looks like we did nothing. Bradley to Reds. Marte to Miami. Lynn not traded. Chirinos to Mets. Maybe we are better off???

I can’t believe they did nothing...

Well, that's pretty disappointing. 

 

This team absolutely could use some help. No if Pineda and Donaldson return and are healthy, that's like two huge additions. Except...

1) If they have that much faith in Pineda, why were they consistently tied to starting pitchers and

2) How much faith can any of us have in Donaldson fully recovering at this point?

 

It would not have cost much to hedge their bets with a RHed batter, and a few decent pieces were moved. Feels like a low-cost opportunity was missed.

 

(Side note: I wonder, if they had taken care of business in Detroit this weekend, if they might've added Schoop at the deadline. I don't think DET moved anyone, and I can see why: they're actually in this thing thanks to last weekend.)

Very, very disappointed we didn't add anything. It didn't need to be a starter (and I was against that), but would've liked to see a right handed bat (Kevin Pillar), or a reliever just to make the bullpen that much stronger (Archie Bradley). The return for Bradley did not look real strong, and would like to think the Twins could have topped that. The one weakness in this front office, in my mind, has been the trade deadline. At some point you have to push the chips in.

 

 

(Side note: I wonder, if they had taken care of business in Detroit this weekend, if they might've added Schoop at the deadline. I don't think DET moved anyone, and I can see why: they're actually in this thing thanks to last weekend.)

Maybin was traded to the Cubs, but other than that nothing. I do agree with your line of thinking. 

Honestly, who could the Twins have added that would have made sense?

 

7 of 9 position players are underperforming but nobody traded today would have supplanted any of our starters.

 

No starting pitcher is going to be allowed to pitch enough to make any bit of difference and you can add a million relief pitchers but half of them are going to be worthless on any given night anyway.

 

They need to either sink or swim with this roster and philosophy Falvine have assembled.

 

 

 

 

The one weakness is this front office

FIFY

 

I can’t believe they did nothing...

 

You can't?

 

Have you followed this club for long?

 

That said, I don't think this was the year to go all in. The team is not playing well. They don't have it this season.

 

Last year was their chance. They were playing great, getting offense we have never seen in Twins territory. But we needed to hang onto prospects that are either hurt all the time or aren't making a difference yet. Even though we have been told how great they are over and over. Pitching would have been nice to have last year. This year, I don't think it is going to matter as alot of guys are coming back down to earth at the plate. 

 

 

Hopefully this means we'll see some of the prospects get a chance. Of the guys on the 40-man roster or those who need to be added after the season I'd definitely look at giving Kirilloff, Rooker, Blankenhorn, and Duran a chance. They likely wouldn't be worse than Cave, Wade, Adrianza, Vargas, or repeated bullpen games. 

 

Hopefully this means we'll see some of the prospects get a chance. Of the guys on the 40-man roster or those who need to be added after the season I'd definitely look at giving Kirilloff, Rooker, Blankenhorn, and Duran a chance. They likely wouldn't be worse than Cave, Wade, Adrianza, Vargas, or repeated bullpen games. 

This^ . We are in September..one month to go. If people are physically healthy enough to play then get them out there Rocco. Its one thing to keep them fresh, its another to lose games in a very shortened season and not give people the time they need at the plate or on the mound. We need all hands on deck this last month. 

Womp, womp.  Article after article. Post after post. All the speculation can only buy an empty bag after a 3-7 road trip.

 

Ildamaro Vargas is the FO's haul!

About the only two guys I would've like to see them bring in were Bradley and Bundy.

 

Bradley would've obviously have helped further fortify the back end of the pen. Bundy could help the rotation and possibly the front end of the pen by shifting someone out of the rotation.

 

Now, if Buxton isn't coming back soon, a RH outfielder would have been nice - even if it meant shifting Max over to center. Although they could probably accomplish the same thing by calling up Rooker.

 

Having said all of that, even before the 5-game skid I wasn't all that impressed with this team.

 

Perhaps this isn't a team you go all in with. Maybe you keep it as is, hope guys get healthy and prove that the first half of this year was the anomaly rather than last year.

You can't?

 

Have you followed this club for long?

 

That said, I don't think this was the year to go all in. The team is not playing well. They don't have it this season.

 

Last year was their chance. They were playing great, getting offense we have never seen in Twins territory. But we needed to hang onto prospects that are either hurt all the time or aren't making a difference yet. Even though we have been told how great they are over and over. Pitching would have been nice to have last year. This year, I don't think it is going to matter as alot of guys are coming back down to earth at the plate.

 

I wasn’t even looking for them to go all in. In fact, I would’ve been fine with just Ray, but I guess Vargas was the only move the FO felt comfortable enough to make...

 

I know the season’s not over, but I can’t help but look ahead into the offseason and impatiently wait for this FO to finally get an ace.

 

I wasn’t even looking for them to go all in. In fact, I would’ve been fine with just Ray, but I guess Vargas was the only move the FO felt comfortable enough to make... I know the season’s not over, but I can’t help but look ahead into the offseason and impatiently wait for this FO to finally get an ace.

How many “aces” exist in MLB? Unless a team wants to rebuild and the Twins give up a load, that is a pipe dream.

 

I wasn’t even looking for them to go all in. In fact, I would’ve been fine with just Ray, but I guess Vargas was the only move the FO felt comfortable enough to make... I know the season’s not over, but I can’t help but look ahead into the offseason and impatiently wait for this FO to finally get an ace.

Ray? As in Robbie Ray? As in the guy with a 7.84 ERA and is walking a batter an inning (literally has 31 BB in 31 innings)? I hope you weren't suggesting he would've been the ace the Twins have been missing. Even with another year of team control, Robbie Ray is no ace, even in his best seasons.

 

About the only two guys I would've like to see them bring in were Bradley and Bundy.

 

Bradley would've obviously have helped further fortify the back end of the pen. Bundy could help the rotation and possibly the front end of the pen by shifting someone out of the rotation.

 

Now, if Buxton isn't coming back soon, a RH outfielder would have been nice - even if it meant shifting Max over to center. Although they could probably accomplish the same thing by calling up Rooker.

 

Having said all of that, even before the 5-game skid I wasn't all that impressed with this team.

 

Perhaps this isn't a team you go all in with. Maybe you keep it as is, hope guys get healthy and prove that the first half of this year was the anomaly rather than last year.

 

Agreed, and I would add one more player in Starling Marte who would have been nice to have, but not a true need. Perhaps it's time to finally dip their toes into the taxi squad, and bring up Rooker to be the RH hitting OF like you mentioned. The dude is going to be 26 in November. He's getting close to non-prospect age. 

Ray? As in Robbie Ray? As in the guy with a 7.84 ERA and is walking a batter an inning (literally has 31 BB in 31 innings)? I hope you weren't suggesting he would've been the ace the Twins have been missing. Even with another year of team control, Robbie Ray is no ace, even in his best seasons.

I understand that Ray is no ace, but I was interested in seeing what Wes could do with him.

 

How many “aces” exist in MLB? Unless a team wants to rebuild and the Twins give up a load, that is a pipe dream.

I still would have done Buxton and Lewis for Syndergaard last year, even knowing now that Thor would miss all of 2020.

Disappointed.

 

Glad we held onto all those shiny prospects last year, too. Where would they be without them?

 

Agreed, and I would add one more player in Starling Marte who would have been nice to have, but not a true need. Perhaps it's time to finally dip their toes into the taxi squad, and bring up Rooker to be the RH hitting OF like you mentioned. The dude is going to be 26 in November. He's getting close to non-prospect age. 

Marte was the guy I had in mind if they were to look outside the organization. 

 

Not to mention the endless rumors about how you won't be able to afford lindor when his contract is up. They definitely do things their own way

In many ways, the current CLE mgmt reminds me of the Twins in the early 2000s. Good team, good system. Challenging finances that cast a shadow over everything else. Yet they manage to be competitive every year.

Well that was boring.  At least for the TWINS. 

Speculation is always fun, and your team actually making a move brings out debate and hope and conversation. But I never really expected much to happen and I'm OK it didn't. And while I haven't gone line by line through everyone that did get moved today, I really don't see anyone of great value that would have made a difference. (Leaving Clevinger out if the discussion as that never would have happened anyway.)

 

Look, I'm in favor of good and aggressive moves to help the Twins. And I'm OK sending out some quality prospects for addition. Maeda, for example, has been great, even though it cost a big arm for the pen. But pen depth hasn't been a problem, it's been injuries and a team out is sync right now.

 

I don't see much of anything moved today that would have made any difference. Well, let me take tbat back slightly and say I still think Pillar would have been smart. He would have given us a decent, experienced RH bat who could platoon with Cave or Wade at worst.

 

There are no guarantees, of course, but coming back...reportedly...are Donaldson, Buxton, Odorizzi, Smeltzer and Pineda. Not sure what to think about Littell. Is he snakebit this year or is there something deeper going on? But how do you top having those guys back? Where is the room even for someone else unless it was BIG move that nobody made. (Again, except for Clevinger).

 

This is still the same pundits and we fans loved so much to begin the year. I think you ride it out and hope/expect guys to simply perform to reasonable expectation.