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    Jeremy Nygaard

    The draft is less than a month away and, at this point, nothing is very clear. There have been a number of injuries to significant players and fringe first-rounders alike - both major injuries and little nagging injuries that make it hard for teams to get a read on players.

    So what’s it going to boil down to? Sometimes it’s the last impression that’s the strongest. Other times it’s a player meeting a team’s offer in the days leading up to the draft. Obviously neither of those things have happened yet.

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    There is some feeling around the league that this year’s draft sees an unprecedented number of pre-draft deals. But that’s something I hear every year. Some teams - like the Astros - have gotten really good at playing the draft. You don’t think Daz Cameron dropped to them at 37 by pure happenstance do you? They had it worked out before. They offered him $4 million and he (and his advisor) knew that if he went to anyone else in the first round, that he wasn’t getting $4 million. So they threw out an absurd demand and no one touched him.

    Expect more of the same this year with the Phillies, Reds, Braves and Padres in a great position to throw their weight around. What those teams, and possibly a couple of others, can do is offer money to players expected to go in the mid- to late-teens that they wouldn’t get if they went in the mid- to late-teens. History suggests the most volatile group of draft-eligible players are high school pitchers, so it’s likely we see some of those guys drop.

    Here’s my first shot at a mock draft:

    1. PHILLIES - Jason Groome, LHP, New Jersey HS. Groome’s stock took a slight hit when he was ruled ineligible after transferring back home from IMG Academy in Florida. For now, I have Groome as the guy taking the Phillies offer of $6 million and banking another $3 million. My gut tells me that by the time the draft rolls around, it’s going to be Kyle Lewis hearing his name called first and the Phillies spending their savings on a high school pitcher at 42. (NOTE: Jayson Stark tweeted yesterday afternoon that there are rumblings that the Phillies may be turning their attention to Kyle Lewis. Since I had already completed my mock, I didn’t think I should change it.)
    2. REDS - Kyle Lewis, OF, Mercer. I don’t have any doubt that the Reds would take Lewis at this point if he’s available. But sometimes arms stare you in the face and you can’t pass on them. The Reds have picks 35 and 43 as well, so they’ll have an opportunity to cut a deal and replenish their system.
    3. BRAVES - Riley Pint, RHP, Kansas HS. I don’t love this pick for the Braves, but they’ve been stockpiling arms over the last couple of years and Pint would add another dynamic arm to the system.
    4. ROCKIES - A.J. Puk, LHP, Florida. Puk could be the first name off the board, but if teams are looking to make deals, all bets are off.
    5. BREWERS - Dakota Hudson, RHP, Mississippi State. The Brewers have had some very strong drafts in the last few years and add the best arm available to kick off their picks this year.
    6. A’S - Mickey Moniak, OF, California HS. There’s been some steam that there could be a deal here. I’d be surprised if there was one in place already, but it makes sense.
    7. MARLINS - Delvin Perez, SS, Puerto Rico HS. Unfairly compared to Carlos Correa, Perez was one of the first players I heard about as a first-rounder in this draft (probably about 16 months ago). The Marlins, who should have taken Carlos Rodon instead of Tyler Kolek for various reasons, have plenty of reasons to make Perez their guy.
    8. PADRES - Matt Manning, RHP, California HS. Whoever goes here, he will be the first of three solid picks. Look for the Padres to skim here to assure getting three really good players in the first round.
    9. TIGERS - Scott Senzel, 3B, Tennessee. Not a perfect fit, but the Tigers lineup isn’t getting any younger.
    10. WHITE SOX - Corey Ray, OF, Louisville. This would fit their recent trend of drafting more developed players.
    11. MARINERS - Zack Collins, C, Miami. Nothing more than a hunch really. (And hoping he’ll be gone before the Twins have a chance to draft a future first baseman.)
    12. RED SOX - Blake Rutherford, OF, California HS. Though the Red Sox have an abundance of outfield depth, Rutherford provides value as the best player available.
    13. RAYS - Braxton Garrett, LHP, Alabama HS. A Vandy commit with Boras as his rep, Garrett could be a player who drops due to signability (to a team that makes extra room). For now I have him going here. If the Twins have a shot at him - and believe they can sign him - they would pull the trigger.
    14. INDIANS - Josh Lowe, 3B, Georgia HS. Lowe would look great in the Twins system, but the Indians have taken a number of players that I’ve had that same feeling about it. So I project they’ll do the same.
    15. TWINS - Forrest Whitley, RHP, Texas HS. There were no up-the-middle prospects worth taking at fifteen, so it mostly came down to high-ceiling prep pitchers. The Twins had always been known for taking safe college arms, but with the exception of Kyle Gibson, that strategy hasn’t really panned out. The prep pitchers, however, have made some progress, led by the filthiness of Jose Berrios, the emergence of Stephen Gonsalves and the rejuvenation of Kohl Stewart. (I don’t think the Twins would “do-over” the Tyler Jay pick, but I think they got caught up in their own success and took a player who had the potential to make a big impact.) Whitley is a big-bodied prep with room to grow and has the ceiling to be an impactful front-of-the-rotation starter.

    ​One name that I wouldn’t sleep on here is Zack Burdi. It has nothing to do with big brother Nick. There’s some belief that Zack has the tools to make the transition into a successful starter with a fastball/slider/changeup mix. The Twins have made that transition successfully with Tyler Duffey and have recently been adding power arms as well. Little Burdi fits the mold.

    There are some names that probably should be included, but are not. For example, Ian Anderson, Matt Manning and Alex Kirilloff are all legitimate Top 15 talents. But as I mentioned in the intro, teams are going to have money to throw around. If I were to continue this particular mock, I would have Manning dropping to the Padres at 24, Anderson dropping to the Reds at 35 and Kirilloff sliding to the Phillies at 42. Each of these three players would be in line to make significantly more than if they were drafted by the Twins at 15 (or another team in that vicinity.)

    There’s still a lot of time for things to change and even the most plugged-in people in the country would tell you - at this point - it’s a crapshoot.

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    You can trade competitive balance picks, but no other picks. Stupid.

     

    That's what I was afraid of.  If you can't use both draft picks and MLB players to make trades, it really stacks everything in favor of the teams that have the money to literally buy entire teams.

     

    er, not that I'm a commie or anything   :blush:

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    Even if not "guaranteed," this guys sure thinks Rortvedt has a good chance to stick, and he's much higher than Johnson. He wouldn't be one to use the pick at 15 on, but he might be at 52.

     

    https://baseballdraftreport.com/tag/ben-rortvedt/

     

    All which is fine, but far from taking "best catcher available" at 15. Both of those guys and others mentioned are second round talents.

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    All which is fine, but far from taking "best catcher available" at 15. Both of those guys and others mentioned are second round talents.

    Totally agree. Just saying there are other quality catcher options for 2nd and comp round besides Cooper.

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    That's what I was afraid of.  If you can't use both draft picks and MLB players to make trades, it really stacks everything in favor of the teams that have the money to literally buy entire teams.

     

    er, not that I'm a commie or anything   :blush:

     

    I almost think it is the opposite.  If top draft picks could be traded I think it would give Boras more leverage. He could say to the Nationals, Harper is not signing with you and will only sign with New York, Boston, etc.  Then the agent would be brokering deals in order to get his guys more money. 

     

    Even with a slot penalty, a team like the Yankees could justify adding a real top talent and giving up a late first round pick the next year. 

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    Where the Twins are picking this year, I'd prefer to go with a college bat in the 1st round. Maybe bank some money- then throw a bunch of cash at high upside HS players with their next 4 picks. It'd be hard for me not to pick Will Craig (Dude can hit AND can draw a walk, figure out his position later) at 15. Go with Rortvedt at 56, if he's there or Gavin Lux. Then HS arms after that. I'd stay away from college pitching like the plague this year. 

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    Where the Twins are picking this year, I'd prefer to go with a college bat in the 1st round. Maybe bank some money- then throw a bunch of cash at high upside HS players with their next 4 picks. It'd be hard for me not to pick Will Craig (Dude can hit AND can draw a walk, figure out his position later) at 15. Go with Rortvedt at 56, if he's there or Gavin Lux. Then HS arms after that. I'd stay away from college pitching like the plague this year. 

     

    Sounds like Craig is a 1B/DH that could arrive quick.  It would come down to whether or not he could play a corner spot to me.  He is 35 pounds lighter and almost the same age as Sano.  So probably has a better shot.

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    Totally agree. Just saying there are other quality catcher options for 2nd and comp round besides Cooper.

     

    I think there are plenty of good catchers that'll be appropriate at 56. Okey, Rorvedt, Murphy, Cumberland. I personally don't like all glove, no hit catchers (pitch framing and selection are really the only traits that matter to me as a catcher), so I'd avoid Johnson and Rogers. 

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    Sounds like Craig is a 1B/DH that could arrive quick.  It would come down to whether or not he could play a corner spot to me.  He is 35 pounds lighter and almost the same age as Sano.  So probably has a better shot.

     

    He could also be traded too, teams are always looking to add bats. 

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    Where the Twins are picking this year, I'd prefer to go with a college bat in the 1st round. Maybe bank some money- then throw a bunch of cash at high upside HS players with their next 4 picks. It'd be hard for me not to pick Will Craig (Dude can hit AND can draw a walk, figure out his position later) at 15. Go with Rortvedt at 56, if he's there or Gavin Lux. Then HS arms after that. I'd stay away from college pitching like the plague this year.

     

    I talked to one scout yesterday that suggested that a really good pitcher could fall to #15 simply because there are so few hitters in this class that teams could start reaching for them early. I would bet a large chunk of money that the best player available - the way the Twins usually draft - will be a pitcher and likely a prep one.

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    I'm REALLY starting to warm up to the idea of Virginia Catcher   Matt "Toby" Thaiss

     

    He looks like KYLE F'n Schwarber

    Obviously this only works if Thaiss sticks at catcher!  (as Jeremy pointed out earlier that may not be the case.

    -a mini version of the Schwar machine)

     

    If Whitley , Collins , and Senzel are all off the board (along with Dakota Hudson obviously)

     

    Take Matt Thaiss!

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    I talked to one scout yesterday that suggested that a really good pitcher could fall to #15 simply because there are so few hitters in this class that teams could start reaching for them early. I would bet a large chunk of money that the best player available - the way the Twins usually draft - will be a pitcher and likely a prep one.

     

    I understand BPA.  But these are facts:

     

    Catcher has been a black hole and we have literally no talent in our system there because we

     

    1) Have not invested in the position with first round picks, larger dollar international signings, or free agent signings. 

     

    and

     

    2) Have shown no ability to draft them later and develop them into league average catchers.

     

    So what if the next five drafts don't have a catcher as the BPA for the Twins?  Do we just field a .500 OPS catcher for the next decade?  And we can talk about the JJ guy next year.  But we may slip to #5 and not have a chance at him.  And we can't rule out our scouts falling head over heals for another toolsy prep SS or CF

     

     

     

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    With the expected deals being cut at the top, is there  a chance a projected top-10 player falls to the Twins at 15? My fear is the Twins would take said player and run into a contract hassle - the player (and his agent) balk at the Twins' offer because they feel he should have gone higher. 

     

    My hope is the Twins brass would know these demands ahead of time so that they could pass on the guy for someone else.

    Mr. Pint, you were considered by some to be the best RHSP in this draft but you have fallen to us (the Twins) at number #15.  You tell us you have a deal with the Padres for $5M.  We [have added our entire 5% allowance over our pool amount ($399,860) to our slot ($2,817,100) to] come up with our offer of $3,216,960.  You might think you are leaving $1.8M on the table.  Really you have a choice between signing with us or going to LSU or going to a junior college and hope you don't turn into Matt Harrington or Kyle Funkhouser .  And if you don't sign with us, we get the #16 pick next year in a deeper draft plus our #2 and we'll have more draft pool money than we know what to do with.

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    I understand BPA.  But these are facts:

     

    Catcher has been a black hole and we have literally no talent in our system there because we

     

    1) Have not invested in the position with first round picks, larger dollar international signings, or free agent signings. 

     

    and

     

    2) Have shown no ability to draft them later and develop them into league average catchers.

     

    So what if the next five drafts don't have a catcher as the BPA for the Twins?  Do we just field a .500 OPS catcher for the next decade?  And we can talk about the JJ guy next year.  But we may slip to #5 and not have a chance at him.  And we can't rule out our scouts falling head over heals for another toolsy prep SS or CF

     

    2015: Took Jay at #6. Next catcher to be taken: Tyler Stephenson at #11, batting .130 with a .400 OPS in low-A ball.

     

    2014; Took Gordon at #5. Next catcher to be taken: Max Pentecost at #11, had shoulder surgery, missed 2015, had another shoulder surgery, might play first base this year after he returns for another shoulder surgery.

     

    2013: Took Stewart at #4. Next catcher to be taken: Reese McGuire at #14. At one point there was a rumor that the Twins were going to cut a deal with McGuire and people were uberp*ssed on these boards. Anyway, he's batting .227 at AA and has dropped out of Top 100s.

     

    2012: Took Buxton at #2. Next catcher to be taken: Mike Zunino at #3. Zunino, a sure thing, has a sub-.200 average in over 1000 big league plate appearances.

     

    2011: Took Michael at #30. Next catcher to be taken: Brett Austin at #45. Didn't sign, went to NC State... became a 4th round pick three years later. He's a .215 lifetime hitter in the minors.

     

    2010: Took Wimmers at #21. Next catcher to be taken: Kellin Deglan, who's batting .172 in AA. Next catcher taken after that: Justin O'Connor, who I preferred to Deglan, at #31. O'Connor is batting .231 at AA.

     

    Wouldn't you take Turner and Garver over any of those guys? The Twins have invested a first-round pick in a catcher, when they traded Aaron Hicks for John Ryan Murphy, who was a 2nd round pick himself. In the history of the draft, there are only a dozen or so first-round catchers (who remained at catcher for any extended period of time) who produced a career bWAR over 10. So, please, don't do it... especially when no one merits being picked that high.

     

    The Twins invested decent-sized bonuses in a few international guys within the last few years: Rainis Silva, Robert Molina and Darling Cuesto... of course they'll take a while to pan out. They also draft Brian Navarreto, who was a Top 100 prospect but fell because of some makeup issues (starting a bench-clearing brawl). 

     

    Of course, that all happened post-Mauer move and not having a backup plan is indefensible. 

     

    So it's not that they haven't made investments, they just haven't made wise investments - which you don't like - but now you're wanting them to compound that by reaching for a guy that - statistics show - isn't likely to pan out.

     

    I had a solution to this two years ago...

     

    7/27/14 @jeremynygaard: Has Francisco Cervelli even played enough to know if he could be a starting catcher full-time?

     

    7/31/14 @jeremynygaard: @tlschwerz I'll trade Hammer and a low-level prospect for Cervelli.

     

    That would make this all easier wouldn't it.

     

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    The Twins invested decent-sized bonuses in a few international guys within the last few years: Rainis Silva, Robert Molina and Darling Cuesto... of course they'll take a while to pan out. They also draft Brian Navarreto, who was a Top 100 prospect but fell because of some makeup issues (starting a bench-clearing brawl). 

    All of those guys have real potential behind the plate. It isn't like the Twins will be able to fix the current catching situation by taking a catcher on day one, and you have just as high of a chance of Murphy or Turner becoming an above average catcher as your pick becoming one.

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    I'm REALLY starting to warm up to the idea of Virginia Catcher   Matt "Toby" Thaiss

     

    He looks like KYLE F'n Schwarber

    Obviously this only works if Thaiss sticks at catcher!  (as Jeremy pointed out earlier that may not be the case.

    -a mini version of the Schwar machine)

     

    If Whitley , Collins , and Senzel are all off the board (along with Dakota Hudson obviously)

     

    Take Matt Thaiss!

     

    I've been digging on Thaiss. Doesn't sound like he's in the mix at #15 as of now. But that could change.

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    2015: Took Jay at #6. Next catcher to be taken: Tyler Stephenson at #11, batting .130 with a .400 OPS in low-A ball.

     

    2014; Took Gordon at #5. Next catcher to be taken: Max Pentecost at #11, had shoulder surgery, missed 2015, had another shoulder surgery, might play first base this year after he returns for another shoulder surgery.

     

    2013: Took Stewart at #4. Next catcher to be taken: Reese McGuire at #14. At one point there was a rumor that the Twins were going to cut a deal with McGuire and people were uberp*ssed on these boards. Anyway, he's batting .227 at AA and has dropped out of Top 100s.

     

    2012: Took Buxton at #2. Next catcher to be taken: Mike Zunino at #3. Zunino, a sure thing, has a sub-.200 average in over 1000 big league plate appearances.

     

    2011: Took Michael at #30. Next catcher to be taken: Brett Austin at #45. Didn't sign, went to NC State... became a 4th round pick three years later. He's a .215 lifetime hitter in the minors.

     

    2010: Took Wimmers at #21. Next catcher to be taken: Kellin Deglan, who's batting .172 in AA. Next catcher taken after that: Justin O'Connor, who I preferred to Deglan, at #31. O'Connor is batting .231 at AA.

     

    Wouldn't you take Turner and Garver over any of those guys? The Twins have invested a first-round pick in a catcher, when they traded Aaron Hicks for John Ryan Murphy, who was a 2nd round pick himself. In the history of the draft, there are only a dozen or so first-round catchers (who remained at catcher for any extended period of time) who produced a career bWAR over 10. So, please, don't do it... especially when no one merits being picked that high.

     

    The Twins invested decent-sized bonuses in a few international guys within the last few years: Rainis Silva, Robert Molina and Darling Cuesto... of course they'll take a while to pan out. They also draft Brian Navarreto, who was a Top 100 prospect but fell because of some makeup issues (starting a bench-clearing brawl). 

     

    Of course, that all happened post-Mauer move and not having a backup plan is indefensible. 

     

    So it's not that they haven't made investments, they just haven't made wise investments - which you don't like - but now you're wanting them to compound that by reaching for a guy that - statistics show - isn't likely to pan out.

     

    I had a solution to this two years ago...

     

    7/27/14 @jeremynygaard: Has Francisco Cervelli even played enough to know if he could be a starting catcher full-time?

     

    7/31/14 @jeremynygaard: @tlschwerz I'll trade Hammer and a low-level prospect for Cervelli.

     

    That would make this all easier wouldn't it.

     

    Cuesto and Silva signed for $175k and $200k each. I can't find Molina's.  But those numbers are equivalent to the draft slot for a 7th round pick in the draft.

     

    We can play Monday morning QB on each pick.  But it just seems like we have not made a significant investment in the catcher spot in 15 years.  That seems like a lack of strategy to me.   The biggest thing we did was tried salvaging the value of Hicks by flipping him for a career .620 OPS, 25 year old catcher.

     

    It is one thing to have a plan and see it fail.  It is another not to have a plan at all.

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    Thaiss reminds me of a Jeff Keppinger type bat. Good contact hitter, but doesn't have much power, not to mention he isn't a good defender and could end up moving to first.

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    Cuesto and Silva signed for $175k and $200k each. I can't find Molina's.  But those numbers are equivalent to the draft slot for a 7th round pick in the draft.

     

    We can play Monday morning QB on each pick.  But it just seems like we have not made a significant investment in the catcher spot in 15 years.  That seems like a lack of strategy to me.   The biggest thing we did was tried salvaging the value of Hicks by flipping him for a career .620 OPS, 25 year old catcher.

     

    It is one thing to have a plan and see it fail.  It is another not to have a plan at all.

    No lack of strategy. They have brought in good catchers into the organization, and just remember that Lucroy, Molina, McCann, and Perez were not highly regarded prospects during their amateur days.

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    Cuesto and Silva signed for $175k and $200k each. I can't find Molina's.  But those numbers are equivalent to the draft slot for a 7th round pick in the draft.

     

    We can play Monday morning QB on each pick.  But it just seems like we have not made a significant investment in the catcher spot in 15 years.  That seems like a lack of strategy to me.   The biggest thing we did was tried salvaging the value of Hicks by flipping him for a career .620 OPS, 25 year old catcher.

     

    It is one thing to have a plan and see it fail.  It is another not to have a plan at all.

    Who was the last Twins starting catcher who wasn't an All-Star sometime in their career? Giving up on Murphy this early is silly.

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    No lack of strategy. They have brought in good catchers into the organization, and just remember that Lucroy, Molina, McCann, and Perez were not highly regarded prospects during their amateur days.

     

    The last first round pick was Mauer 15 years ago.  The last second rounder was Rams in 2007.   In seven of the last eight drafts we did not take a catcher in rounds 1-4 (none before the 9th round in half of them).

     

    Kurt Suzuki was likely the biggest free agent catcher signed in franchise history.

     

    And we can't find a recent example of an international signee over $200k.

     

    I stand by my statement. We have clearly neglected this position.  A good number of these guys were likely taken because you need two at every level

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    Cuesto and Silva signed for $175k and $200k each. I can't find Molina's.  But those numbers are equivalent to the draft slot for a 7th round pick in the draft.

     

    Molina signed for $300k.

     

    Comparing the bonuses to the draft pool isn't exactly apples and oranges, but I'll agree with your point that the team hasn't made a significant investment in the position in along time.

     

    I just don't think this draft is the place to start.

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    Molina signed for $300k. Comparing the bonuses to the draft pool isn't exactly apples and oranges, but I'll agree with your point that the team hasn't made a significant investment in the position in along time. I just don't think this draft is the place to start.

     

    That is fair.  Even a catcher at 56 it sounds like would not be bad and represent an improvement

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    Just looking at mlb.com's list does suggest that the Twins could pretty easily draft a catcher in the first 3 rounds.  I believe they have five picks inside the top 95.  But it also looks like there might be a number of potential high school arms that they could focus on instead.  Or they could nab another Trey Cabbage like kid - I think Cole Stobbe would be a fun pick.

     

    I'm still interested in some of the guys whose stock is dropping.  Coming into the season, Bobby Dalbec was a top 20 guy.  College bat who had a bad season and might not be able to stay at third.  But he has good power and a strong arm.  Might be a fun lottery ticket.  And, of course, Alec Hanson.

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    Molina signed for $300k. Comparing the bonuses to the draft pool isn't exactly apples and oranges, but I'll agree with your point that the team hasn't made a significant investment in the position in along time. I just don't think this draft is the place to start.

     

    I don't know, I'd be pretty happy with that Revoldt kid in round 2.  I think it would behoove them to pick up another one later in the top 10, though neither of those would be ready to help any time soon.  If we want help soon, those answers are Murphy, Garver, and Turner... like it or not. 

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