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    Ted Schwerzler

    This offseason free agents across Major League Baseball have felt a squeeze of sorts. Now into February, more than 50 quality big leaguers still remain out in the cold with respect to playing destinations for the upcoming season. While I will always argue in favor of millionaire players over billionaire owners, the complaints of the job seekers seem to be somewhat shallow given the current marketplace.

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    Looking at the list of the top 25 free agents for 2018 from MLB.com, only four of the top 10 players available have been inked to deals. Shohei Ohtani chose the Los Angeles Angels in a deal that was never going to reflect true market value. Wade Davis inked the largest relief contract ever with the Rockies, Jay Bruce rejoined the Mets, and Lorenzo Cain entered the National League with the Milwaukee Brewers. However, the battle cry continues to be that money is scarce on the market, and players demand better.

    In a tweet from agent Brody Van Wagenen, threats regarding a strike were made, and indications of former $200 million and $300 million deals were alluded to. It's absolutely fair on one hand to see players band together; being represented by a union, that's what should take place. That being said, the threat of a strike while failing to realize market indications seems somewhat like misplaced frustration. First and foremost, a strike would effectively squash all positive momentum the sport has, which is currently experiencing popularity at its peak. The players stand to gain nothing in the long run from a strike, and comparing the current landscape to that of 1994 couldn't be further from level ground. The second part of the equation however, is what both market factors and available commodities are telling us.

    There're two real situations at play this offseason in my mind. Situation number one is that the crop of free agents is, for lack of better descriptors, rather week. Jay Bruce was a top ten name, Yu Darvish is truly the only ace, and as good as he is, J.D. Martinez as a true designated hitter becomes a top three get (this coming from someone who genuinely supports the DH, and believes it ought to be universal). No doubt owners have revenues to disperse, but there is a lack of players worthy of the funds to be allocated, in a sense.

    The second situation is that the impending free agent class represents one of the greatest to ever hit the open market. Brian Dozier, Josh Donaldson, Manny Machado, Charlie Blackmon, Byrce Harper, A.J. Pollock, and Andrew McCutchen highlight the bats. On the mound, names like Gio Gonzalez, Clayton Kershaw (likely), Dallas Keuchel, Klevin Herrera, Craig Kimbrel, and Zach Britton all get the engine running. As harsh of a reality as it may be, the money allocated for those players should be significantly more than what's currently available.

    I'm absolutely in favor of a player being paid whatever they can get, and your worth as far as a contract goes should be whatever someone is willing to pay you. However, it seems that agents are overreaching while players are lulled into a false sense of reality. When it comes to a free market structure, it's generally the market that dictates valuations. One player commanding an unrealistic amount would effectively throw off the valuations surrounding the entirety of a current class or one in the future.

    We have heard reports of Darvish seeking something north of seven years and $175 million, while someone like Hosmer has been reported to have seven year deals on the table, but holding out for eight. There've been notes reporting Martinez is looking for $200 million, and Arrieta could be commanding as much. Sure, given the current availability of free agents, those numbers might not be ridiculous in a vacuum. The problem however, is that organizations are trying to create a culture of consistent winning. By offering Martinez $200m or Hosmer eight years, the correct structure of a Machado or Harper deal becomes $600m or 15 years. At some point, there has to be reality to the sliding scale matching talent or return, with valuation.

    Throw into the equation that front offices are also now more intelligent than ever before. Analytics may not have entirely taken over the on-field product, but you can bet that algorithms are run for virtually every dollar amount thrown into a discussion. No longer does a team want to get stuck paying Albert Pujols $240m over 10 years, while he limps through two-thirds of the deal. The Zack Greinke's and Giancarlo Stanton's over the world make the money easier to wrap your head around given the age factor (similar to what Machado and Harper will experience), but massive paydays spread across significant time commitments for players into their 30's has long been a negative proposition.

    At the end of the day, I expect a dam to break, and it's the players that probably need to do some budging. Sure, there's absolutely money to be spent, and the sport should continue to foster payroll growth. What can't happen however, is for talent to hold money hostage until market inefficiencies are forced. The future viability of contracts relies upon a level of consistency year over year. Baseball being an uncapped sport leads to an interesting economic study created entirely by its own doing. The sport needs Darvish and Hosmer thrilling fans, but it also needs them doing it in a scenario that makes sense for future markets as well.

    We may have had one of the most boring off-seasons in recent memory, but there's a time crunch coming, and the craziness could just be about to start.

    Originally posted at Off The Baggy.

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    Thomas Henry (Tom) Burgmeier was born August 2, 1943 in St. Paul, MN, the fourth of eight children.  He grew up in St. Cloud, MN, and graduated from St. Cloud Cathedral High School in 1961, where he was a significant contributor to Cathedral's Cathol...

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      On 2/4/2018 at 12:57 AM, shimrod said:

    I would like to see the league shift to a more performance based pay scale, which would require a revised agreement between the players and the owners.

     

    Many have criticized the current system in which free agents are paid for past performance and overpaid for their declining years. Meanwhile, younger cost-controlled players are woefully underpaid.

     

    I'd like to see an entirely different paradigm, similar to the salary + commission you see in some sales jobs. Performance pay is currently negotiated in individual contracts. I'd like to see a mandated, and substantial, amount of money dedicated to paying for the actual performance in a season.

     

    Having, say, 50 million dollars in pay (per team) dedicated to compensating the players who actually perform would serve as a de facto salary minimum (players should like this). A league wide formula mandating performance compensation based on playing time and production would increase the pay to precocious players and reduce the incentive to get top dollar in free agency. If the players currently asking for $100M + in free agency had been properly compensated in their early years there wouldn't be as much pressure to recoup the money lost during years of team control.

     

    Obviously the performance metrics are key. You want to reward individual performance while maintaining an emphasis on team success.

     

    I think a substantial floor of money dedicated to performance compensation would act to reduce the guaranteed salaries. Players should be ok with this as long as the performance pay is mandated, ensuring the money goes to the players. Lower guaranteed salaries would reduce the risk to teams of signing free agents, and, I believe, reduce fan animosity toward under-performing or injured players.

     

    Right now, there are a few teams who can sign any player for any amount and complete breakdown is only an inconvenience. Small market teams would be completely crippled if they rolled the dice on a top FA and lost him to injury. Moving to a pay + performance system would allow more teams to bid on top players and, theoretically, increase free agent compensation by putting more teams in a position to bid. Yes, guaranteed pay might be less but with proper incentive pay top players should be compensated commensurate with team succes

    The problem I see with this, is that if the bulk of the players salary is determined by performance, only the desirable cities will attract top free agents; New York, Boston, DC, Miami, LA, San Francisco, etc.

     

    What is Kansas City going to be able to offer to put them over any of those teams, if they can't offer more money?

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      On 2/4/2018 at 12:36 AM, Thrylos said:

    My (more) detailed thoughts on the subject are here.

     

    I think that the root cause of the problem is a system that as is pays players for past performance and new analytically-based Front Offices are not willing to continue.

    I am proposing several changes that will help the system, including livable wages for minor leaguers, hard salary caps and floors (with loss of draft picks as penalties), universal free agency at age 25 (unless there is an extension) so players can be paid for their prime seasons, universal NBA style draft with tradeable picks including IFA, Japanese, Cubans etc, elimination of IFA, Arbitration, Qualifying offers, and a few more.

     

    Both sides have to give some.

     

    I think that a large rational change is needed at the sport right now, so it stops taking advantage of 75% of its participants and pay better the players who are playing better. I also think that with the new front offices that "get it", the time is ripe.

    Universal FA at age 25: A team spends a top pick on a player, spends 4 or 5 years and many resources developing them, then loses them right when they have a chance to be good?

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      On 2/4/2018 at 1:13 AM, Mr. Brooks said:

    Universal FA at age 25: A team spends a top pick on a player, spends 4 or 5 years and many resources developing them, then loses them right when they have a chance to be good?

     

    Does not lose them.  They can extend them and/or re-sign them.  This comes with a salary cap, so players will not concentrate in a particular team.

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      On 2/4/2018 at 1:43 AM, Thrylos said:

    Does not lose them. They can extend them and/or re-sign them. This comes with a salary cap, so players will not concentrate in a particular team.

    But if the player doesn't want to resign, they lose them. After spending a high draft pick and years of investment on them, with little chance at any payoff for their investment.

    No thanks. To steal Craig's sentiment in a different thread, baseball will be fine without me, but I'd no longer be paying attention to it.

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      On 2/3/2018 at 5:46 PM, Vanimal46 said:

    I think GMs and amateur GMs around the internet agree. Unfortunately that hurts a ton of players entering free agency the way it's currently set up. With teams having 6 seasons of control on any player, most don't experience FA for the first time until they're 31-32. Pretty crummy situation for them.

     

    I do have a few solutions to fix free agency! 

    1 - Fire Tony Clark from MLBPA and hire someone who can gain more power against the owners. 

     

    2 - Reduce the amount of cost-controlled seasons from 6 to 4. Instead of 3 pre-arb years and 3 arbitration years, it's 2 and 2. Players will be able to hit FA at their prime age and get the long term deal they want. Owners see a better return on their investment while sharing the revenue money. 

     

    3 - Implement performance bonuses during the season. Their salaries would stay the same, and cost controlled seasons remain the same. But, if they hit performance goals and achievements during the season, they get a bonus! That way a player is compensated for doing well, at the exact same time they're doing well. 

    While it all sounds good the owners still have the power. They are not going to dive away controlled years.. There is nothing the players have to negotiate to give up to get it.

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      On 2/4/2018 at 12:57 AM, shimrod said:

    I would like to see the league shift to a more performance based pay scale, which would require a revised agreement between the players and the owners.

     

    Many have criticized the current system in which free agents are paid for past performance and overpaid for their declining years. Meanwhile, younger cost-controlled players are woefully underpaid.

     

    I'd like to see an entirely different paradigm, similar to the salary + commission you see in some sales jobs. Performance pay is currently negotiated in individual contracts. I'd like to see a mandated, and substantial, amount of money dedicated to paying for the actual performance in a season.

     

    Having, say, 50 million dollars in pay (per team) dedicated to compensating the players who actually perform would serve as a de facto salary minimum (players should like this). A league wide formula mandating performance compensation based on playing time and production would increase the pay to precocious players and reduce the incentive to get top dollar in free agency. If the players currently asking for $100M + in free agency had been properly compensated in their early years there wouldn't be as much pressure to recoup the money lost during years of team control.

     

    Obviously the performance metrics are key. You want to reward individual performance while maintaining an emphasis on team success.

     

    I think a substantial floor of money dedicated to performance compensation would act to reduce the guaranteed salaries. Players should be ok with this as long as the performance pay is mandated, ensuring the money goes to the players. Lower guaranteed salaries would reduce the risk to teams of signing free agents, and, I believe, reduce fan animosity toward under-performing or injured players.

     

    Right now, there are a few teams who can sign any player for any amount and complete breakdown is only an inconvenience. Small market teams would be completely crippled if they rolled the dice on a top FA and lost him to injury. Moving to a pay + performance system would allow more teams to bid on top players and, theoretically, increase free agent compensation by putting more teams in a position to bid. Yes, guaranteed pay might be less but with proper incentive pay top players should be compensated commensurate with team succes

    I like this idea a lot. It seems like it would work bridging the gap and players get paid for playing well that season.

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    It's unfortunate.  Both sides need to give.  And to truly fix it, the "give" needs to be radical.  Much like many of you have suggested.  If anyone has been part of negotiations, you know that when you lose something you value, it's rare you get it back in a contract again.  I agree with so many great points everyone is making, but I smell a strike because I don't think the owners or the players have the balls to radicalize the system.  It's waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy to lucrative for the owners right now.  They have all the money, and they'll hold much of the power.  The players union better get creative.

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      On 2/4/2018 at 1:55 AM, Blackjack said:

    Let them strike!!! More time for fishing and camping this summer. 

     

    Big babies. Making millions while the rest of us look at a new Chevy truck that cost $35,000+ and gulp. Big %$#^& babies!!

    Jealous much?  I'm guessing you want to be paid what you're worth.

     

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    Great article Ted.  And even better that front offices are beginning to manage teams like a business.  Way too many contracts thrown around to players who don't perform well for significant parts of long-term deals.

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    Thanks for all the responses, I think it’s genuinely an interesting talking point. One thing I do want to address regarding a few comments. If you’re suggesting it’s unfair for players to have demands, I can’t agree. Again, they’re millionaires taking billionaires money. Sure, in comparison to our norms, you’ll never be able to wrap your head around it. From a basic economic structure though, that argument is rather baseless. Players deserve to be paid, regardless of how lopsided it looks in regards to societal norms.

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      On 2/3/2018 at 9:47 PM, Deduno Abides said:

    1. Darvish is not an ace. He’s good, but not an ace.
    2. The solution to even the imbalanced split between billionaire owners and millionaire players should not be for teams to sign more ridiculous contracts. The solution should be for less money to go from non-millionaire fans to the sport. In other words, cut costs - less public financing, cheaper tickets, cheaper “authentic” jerseys, cheaper beer, etc. I am a political centrist who feels that the ridiculous thing isn’t the lack of nine figure contracts for mediocre players, but that the ridiculous thing is how much money comes out of fans’ pockets to pay for those contracts and the owners’ profits.

    This all sounds great, but voluntarily reducing revenue will ultimately destroy the game.  You'll attract worse owners.  Teams will not have incentive to build beautiful ballparks, provide world class entertainment, or provide safe experiences for players or fans for that matter.  

    Ironically, the issue we're talking about is one predicted by evil empire emperor himself, George Steinbrener.  When the Twins were being considered for contraction, revenue sharing was being discussed.  Steinbrener was furious, and called out the Twins ownership specifically.  His issue wasn't even that he'd have to pay money to his competitors so they could sign away his players through luxury tax and revenue sharing.  Even he could see that a level playing field would be beneficial to the game.  His anger arose from the fact that he would have to pay money to owners who would NOT be required to invest back into their team and improve the balance in the league.  In short, the Polads were pocketing the revenue sharing money.  Same as they pocket the added profits they promised they'd reinvest from increased team and stadium revenue.

    The market between player and owner will balance itself out.  The problem is that the market at the ownership level is incredibly slow to react because there is almost no competition.  No one is that rich. Public ownership is an idea.  Potentially, a team could operate at break even or even at a deficit as long as shareholders allowed.  This would force other ownership to have to spend in order to compete.  The problem is, that human nature takes over.  The desire to make a profit will still be there.  Let's say you bought a $5,000 share, and at the end of the season, you could have a $6,000 share plus a $250 dividend, or have your share go down in value (you paid for the team based on profitability, and through payroll, you've made it less profitable) and sign more players/pay your farm system better, etc.  Suddenly, you're no better than the Polads.

    The other option to achieve your goal of lower fan prices is to expand. You'll spread demand by increasing supply.  But that's just another word for watered down.  We see that even with implementation of a salary cap.  You have no super teams in the NFL.  Some might say the Patriots disprove that theory.  I disagree.  I think the Patriots have taken advantage of the watered down league. Ditto the Cavs and Warriors in the NBA.  If players take pay cuts to play for one team, no one can break the bank to compete with them.  It's not allowed.  We could have 60 MLB teams, and we'd have a lot lower ticket and beer prices.  Player salaries would come down.  Billionaires would dilute their profits.  It may be easier for teams to compete.  You'd probably only need 2 really good pitchers and a hand full of average roll players.  However, how much of a decline in overall product will people be willing to accept before leaving the sport?  If allowed the market would adjust, but not for maximum entertainment value, but rather maximum profitability. 

    But since the league can't feasibly grow and shrink with every market change, we may have to just stomach some market inefficiency.  In this case, lack of reinvestment by ownership and wage disparity between players (brought about by the artificially low supply of teams and major league roster spots).

    I'd support some form of revenue sharing and luxury tax over a hard cap, but teams would be required to meet a spending threshold in order to obtain funds.  I would also make players arbitration eligible immediately.  Why fight paying players what they're worth?  It's the 6 years of team control that is valuable.  This should combat wage disparity.  Tanking would be less advantageous.  FA contracts would be balanced by lower payroll pools and a larger FA pool (teams offering FA rather than going to arb) but also by the fact that FA would be relatively more valuable because of larger buyer pools and internal options having less payroll advantage.  You'd get truer values for both FA and for younger players.  

    Finally, I'd give teams and players the option of buying out arb years while players are in the farm system.  IE, young players often need more money when they're getting started.  Then have more money than they need once established.  If you want 3 years of league min. salary, with no arb options (current system) you have to buy those years out before the players debuts.  
     

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      On 2/4/2018 at 5:40 AM, jrod23 said:

    It's unfortunate. Both sides need to give. And to truly fix it, the "give" needs to be radical. Much like many of you have suggested. If anyone has been part of negotiations, you know that when you lose something you value, it's rare you get it back in a contract again. I agree with so many great points everyone is making, but I smell a strike because I don't think the owners or the players have the balls to radicalize the system. It's waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy to lucrative for the owners right now. They have all the money, and they'll hold much of the power. The players union better get creative.

    Yep, something radical needs to happen. Otherwise these conversations will be common occurrence during the winter.

     

    Scott Boras would be a great face for the MLBPA. A hard nosed negotiator with decades of experience dealing with owners. That'd be a creative solution if you can convince him to leave his lucrative paying job.

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      On 2/4/2018 at 5:56 AM, Jham said:

    Jealous much?  I'm guessing you want to be paid what you're worth.

     

    Not really, I already have a new Silverado but I know a lot of people that will never be able to get a new truck and when i hear about these millionaires whining about not getting a few extra million, I'm not sympathetic. 

     

    Go ahead and go on strike, see how man 'jealous' fans really are sympathetic to millionaire players squabbling with billionaire owners.

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      On 2/4/2018 at 11:42 AM, Blackjack said:

    Not really, I already have a new Silverado but I know a lot of people that will never be able to get a new truck and when i hear about these millionaires whining about not getting a few extra million, I'm not sympathetic.

     

    Go ahead and go on strike, see how man 'jealous' fans really are sympathetic to millionaire players squabbling with billionaire owners.

    Couldn't it just as easily be construed as billionaire owners whining that their employees want more of their billions?

     

    It's all relative. People making minimum wage mopping the floor at burger king, driving a 20 year old beater might say the same thing about you "whining" about the price of a vehicle they could never afford.

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    If I am going to be ok with players demanding to get their maximum market value, I think I ought to be ok with owners also trying to make as much money as possible. Most people seem to be out to make as much money as possible, and have that right in our society today. To me it should not matter if it is the on field product, or the owner/management behind the scenes. Musicians and actors need producers to get paid, athletes need owners to get paid. I don't see it as the owners making money off of players, it is the owners making money from the fans, and giving a portion of that to the players. Fans make the owners rich based on how much they are willing to spend.

     

    I get that owners are the ones making the most money, they often seem distant and cold, and don't really seem to do much beyond being professionally wealthy, and it is the actors, singers, and athletes who are the face of our entertainment, and the ones we root for. But that is how our system works, and fans are the ones who give their money for entertainment. And we give that money to ownership. It seems to me in my simple view of things, it is  the fan's money making owners very wealthy, who in turn are making the athletes very wealthy. I don't particularly care for the system, I don't like paying $200 for a family to go to a game, $12 for a beer, and $100 for a shirt with another persons name on it, and so I don't. (I listen to the radio, or watch the games on MLB.TV with the free subscription my mobile carrier gives me - advertisers paying on my behalf) But if I am willing to do that, and if I think players should be free to seek maximum dollars, I don't see why owners should not be allowed to as well.

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      On 2/3/2018 at 10:09 PM, Nine of twelve said:

    It's easy to gripe about how much the players make but there's no reason the owners should get a huge payoff either. Nobody complains how much money Tom Hanks or Paul McCartney has made and the players are entertainers just like them. The reality is that we fans contribute huge sums to the sport and the players are the reason we do that. Hence, the players should get most of the dough.

    If you follow that logic all the way through then let the players pool their money together and buy out all the owners.  Now the ballplayers own the teams.  Not likely to happen...

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      On 2/3/2018 at 10:48 PM, Teflon said:

    The trouble with front offices now getting "sensible" about the returns on free agent contracts is it takes money out of the overpaid end of the system that won't go back into the underpaid end of the system. If this is going to continue, players need to reach free agency quicker so their peak seasons earn them more equitable pay.

    Then you might as well go back to 16 major league teams, most of the other 14 will be no more than farm systems most years.

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      On 2/4/2018 at 12:40 PM, NCtwinsfan said:

    If I am going to be ok with players demanding to get their maximum market value, I think I ought to be ok with owners also trying to make as much money as possible. Most people seem to be out to make as much money as possible, and have that right in our society today. To me it should not matter if it is the on field product, or the owner/management behind the scenes. Musicians and actors need producers to get paid, athletes need owners to get paid. I don't see it as the owners making money off of players, it is the owners making money from the fans, and giving a portion of that to the players. Fans make the owners rich based on how much they are willing to spend.

     

    I get that owners are the ones making the most money, they often seem distant and cold, and don't really seem to do much beyond being professionally wealthy, and it is the actors, singers, and athletes who are the face of our entertainment, and the ones we root for. But that is how our system works, and fans are the ones who give their money for entertainment. And we give that money to ownership. It seems to me in my simple view of things, it is the fan's money making owners very wealthy, who in turn are making the athletes very wealthy. I don't particularly care for the system, I don't like paying $200 for a family to go to a game, $12 for a beer, and $100 for a shirt with another persons name on it, and so I don't. (I listen to the radio, or watch the games on MLB.TV with the free subscription my mobile carrier gives me - advertisers paying on my behalf) But if I am willing to do that, and if I think players should be free to seek maximum dollars, I don't see why owners should not be allowed to as well.

    The owners should be able to do that. So should the players. That's what bargaining is for.

    People complaining about millionaire players wanting more only seem to agree with half of that though, and I don't understand it.

     

    If the market can bear more, they'll get more. If it can't, they won't. There is really no need to bash them for trying to get the most earning potential as they can (you're not, but I assume you were responding to me, and I was responding to those who were).

     

    People, I'd hope, attempt the same in every career. When it's a middle class worker, it's mostly seen as righteous.

    When it's millionaires people call them crybabies, and mock their ability to feed their family. And it's not just any millionaire. I don't think people react the same way if it's a surgeon or software executive.

    But, most of us played sports at some point. So, some say "it's just a game! What obscene money!"

    Ok, sure, in that sense, they don't really contribute much to society, compared to a doctor or even a banker. But, neither do the owners.

    And, it's not the players, or the owners fault that they are making millions and billions off a game. It's the fans. There is demand. That is how business works for the most part. If people stopped giving their money, the prices would have to go down to attract customers, then salary and profits would go down.

     

    I just don't get the resentment. It's one thing to resent obscene profits for things we need. Food, healthcare, housing, whatever. Nobody needs baseball. Who cares how much they make? Just eliminate yourself from the demand if it annoys you (again, not you specifically).

     

    Nobody should be disrespected for trying to get their fair share of the profits.

    To someone making just above minimum wage mopping floors, the bank president making 250k seems obscene. But that guy, if he tries to leverage a raise, is probably just seeing more profits coming into the bank, he's likely not being greedy.

    And, to someone making pennies in a third world sweatshop, they probably think it's pathetic that the guy making 8 bucks an hour mopping floors is complaining.

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      On 2/3/2018 at 10:48 PM, Teflon said:

    The trouble with front offices now getting "sensible" about the returns on free agent contracts is it takes money out of the overpaid end of the system that won't go back into the underpaid end of the system. If this is going to continue, players need to reach free agency quicker so their peak seasons earn them more equitable pay.

     

     

    I agree the front offices are getting more "sensible" and they are taking money out of the overpaid end of the system.  However, I don't agree that it won't go back into the system.  What's wrong with managing your cash wisely?  Why do the Yankees and the other big market teams always do so well?  They use their cash reserves to sign free-agents instead of trading away their farm prospects to build a team.

     

    If the Twins new FO can make consistent and wise FA choices (i.e., not signing Darvish to a 7 year deal) they should be in a good position going forward to offer early extensions to their younger guys before reaching free agency (Buxton) and also have the cash reserves to jump on a good FA player when the opportunity presents itself.  

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      On 2/4/2018 at 1:28 PM, beckmt said:

    The only way you can justify letting players reach FA earlier is with a hard salary cap and total revenue sharing. The Yankees make more off of their local radio/tv contracts them most clubs make a year in total revenue. You need to balance the system.

    I still don't think it works in baseball. Unlike the NFL, where guys play right after being drafted, the investment of milb development is a huge part of baseball. Teams would have little chance of recouping that investment.

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      On 2/4/2018 at 1:21 PM, Mr. Brooks said:

    The owners should be able to do that. So should the players. That's what bargaining is for.
    People complaining about millionaire players wanting more only seem to agree with half of that though, and I don't understand it.

    If the market can bear more, they'll get more. If it can't, they won't. There is really no need to bash them for trying to get the most earning potential as they can (you're not, but I assume you were responding to me, and I was responding to those who were).

    People, I'd hope, attempt the same in every career. When it's a middle class worker, it's mostly seen as righteous.
    When it's millionaires people call them crybabies, and mock their ability to feed their family. And it's not just any millionaire. I don't think people react the same way if it's a surgeon or software executive.
    But, most of us played sports at some point. So, some say "it's just a game! What obscene money!"
    Ok, sure, in that sense, they don't really contribute much to society, compared to a doctor or even a banker. But, neither do the owners.
    And, it's not the players, or the owners fault that they are making millions and billions off a game. It's the fans. There is demand. That is how business works for the most part. If people stopped giving their money, the prices would have to go down to attract customers, then salary and profits would go down.

    I just don't get the resentment. It's one thing to resent obscene profits for things we need. Food, healthcare, housing, whatever. Nobody needs baseball. Who cares how much they make? Just eliminate yourself from the demand if it annoys you (again, not you specifically).

    Nobody should be disrespected for trying to get their fair share of the profits.
    To someone making just above minimum wage mopping floors, the bank president making 250k seems obscene. But that guy, if he tries to leverage a raise, is probably just seeing more profits coming into the bank, he's likely not being greedy.
    And, to someone making pennies in a third world sweatshop, they probably think it's pathetic that the guy making 8 bucks an hour mopping floors is complaining.

     

    I was not responding to you, or anyone in particular, just throwing my own thoughts out there. I agree with your post above. We should not be disrespecting people who are using a system to it's full potential, especially if we are supporting that system. In some cases, we don't always have much of a choice. But I agree, with baseball, we do have a choice because we don't need it.

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    One year contracts for free agents. They will get paid what they are worth every year that they play. If you want to start free agency after the current arbitration system starts, great. To balance out the "team investment" argument give the current team right to match the contract offered to the free agent

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      On 2/3/2018 at 10:44 PM, Deduno Abides said:

    Sports income is different from income from other forms of entertainment. For example, sports gets much more (involuntary) taxpayer support.

    But the public money that goes to sports is a very small percentage of the overall revenue, and it's mostly for infrastructure, in other words stadiums. I think it's OK for taxpayers to contribute some of the money for stadiums because having viable professional sports contributes to the overall liveability and vibrancy of a large metropolitan area.
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      On 2/3/2018 at 10:48 PM, Teflon said:

    The trouble with front offices now getting "sensible" about the returns on free agent contracts is it takes money out of the overpaid end of the system that won't go back into the underpaid end of the system. If this is going to continue, players need to reach free agency quicker so their peak seasons earn them more equitable pay.

    It's not so much the timetable for free agency as it is the salary schedule. The minimum salary could be made more equitable with a significant increase in the minimum salary for low seniority players with arbitration eligiblity beginning in year two.

    Edited to add:

    Reading shimrod's post I agree in principle with performance-related payouts if there is a fair and accurate way to evaluate performance. However, how one quantifies a player's contribution to his team's performance is a subject that is much debated among sabrmetricians and others. And if you factor in the significant money that would be riding on that it becomes even more challenging to define. Nevertheless, I think it's possible that something like that could be woven into a CBA with conscientious statisticians involved on both sides of the negotiations.

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      On 2/4/2018 at 11:42 AM, Blackjack said:

    Not really, I already have a new Silverado but I know a lot of people that will never be able to get a new truck and when i hear about these millionaires whining about not getting a few extra million, I'm not sympathetic. 

     

    Go ahead and go on strike, see how man 'jealous' fans really are sympathetic to millionaire players squabbling with billionaire owners.

    You are entitled to feel the way you do as long as you heap even more disdain on the owners. They are the ones who control the money that we spend on baseball.
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    You try to build teams around a stable of players AND a winning format. Sometimes those prospects may take 3-4 years to develop, and then they are on the cusp of walking away. You gamble and extend them early. It's more cost effective than tying them up later in free agency, but still a gamble.

     

    You sign a free agent. A gun for hire who is only as good as the player behind them. Short-term, you get the Jack Morris sensation who may create the msot memorable moment in history. Or you may get one of many, who languish on the roster eating up dollars. Happens to your own (Ryan Howard, Joe Mauer) as well as giving contracts to guys outside. At least when you give a longterm contract to a homebody, you are, in a sense, rewarding them for play they have done at a discount, so to speak.

     

    $20-25-30 million a year. At what point is it senseless that one player takes up a huge percentage of ALL your payroll. Are players worth 10% of a team's payroll? If they are and you payroll is south of $125 million, then you are relying on the hit-and-miss of prospects and pre-free-agency folks. If you can afford to eat a big contract for a season or two, then you are paying a luxury tax on top of that big contract.

     

    Capping payrolls is somewhat wonderful, but you still have teams spending twice as much as some other teams a season...consistently. The teams are finding creative ways to pass off big contracts with a cash payment to select teams to take aging vets off their hands. The Dodgers may not want to pay a luxury tax, but they did get rid of Kemp and his salary along with a contribution from their books. Yes, they are eating a contract, and the money is not beneficial to the team receiving Kemp (as they have to pay him). In a round-about way, the owners are figuring out how to play the system. And they are also balking at the loss in international bonus money or draft positions (another area where players are vastly overpaid on paper talent).

     

    I shake my hed at the initial demands of this free agent marketplace. I look at the big four in the world of starting pitchers and don't see it. Hosmer and Martinez? I don't see huge time commitments. At some point, the contract of a David Ortiz that keeps rolling over from year-to-year seems a wonderful luxury, especially to a franchise player compared to that gun-for-hire.

     

    Yet the equation is thrown out of whack. Middle relief, guys who setup and pitch in 40-50 games, are getting more money than imagined...closer money, in some ways.People that were jettisoned by teams in the past because those teams didn't want to pay the piper (Twins alone: Swarzak, Neshek, Duensing, Kintzler).

     

    And it is also about roster space. Is there space on EVERY roster to handle 2-3 veterans in spite of prospects that YOU want to keep and develop? Are the free agents better/worse than the backup fodder you could remove from your 40-man, and at what price, and at what need for playing time.

     

    Will it get better before it gets worse? Will more and more prospects come up and be eaten and disappear before they have free agency, rather than players hanging onto careers and multi-million paychecks forever?

     

     

     

     

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      On 2/3/2018 at 10:10 PM, Vanimal46 said:

    That all sounds great in a perfect world... There is a demand for those tickets, authentic jerseys, and beer, and people will keep paying for them.

     

    Revenue will continue to grow by the millions every year. Players currently are controlled for 6 seasons until they can explore FA for the first time, which is generally their age 31-32 season. GMs and Amateur GMs around the internet agree not to pay for their decline years.

     

    At the end of the day, aren't we just padding the pockets of the 1%? 

     

    I'd rather the players that provide us fans entertainment get that money... We just need to find a way for the players to get that money when they're providing the most value to a team. 

    Well, you could buy a team and spend 100% of the profits on player salaries.  Good luck with that.

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    Good article. I think these guys should be trying to get as much money as possible but the years teams are committing to is debilitating and a lot to eat (the roster spot as much as the mony that goes with the the years). Most of the time, these guys aren’t even close to their original value later in the contract. Which is the risk you take, 8 get it. But the owners and the data is telling owners not to take the risk of years anymore. Sure, pay the players more but do it with less years committed.

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