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  • MIN 13, TOR 7: Mauer Grand Slam Among 4 Twins Homers In Comeback Victory


    Tom Froemming

    Things didn’t get off to a great start for the Twins Sunday afternoon, but oh boy did they end well. After spotting the Blue Jays a five-run lead, the Twins stormed back and not only caught Toronto, but ended up blowing them out.

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    Snapshot (chart via Fangraphs)

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    Gibson entered this game on quite the roll, having pitched to a 1.38 ERA over his previous five starts. Matt Trueblood of Baseball Prospectus did an excellent overview of Gibby’s turnaround, and among the reasons for it he cited the fact that Gibby has been doing a better job of mixing things up, deploying a five-pitch repertoire. He seemed to have a feel for zero of those pitches in the early innings of Sunday afternoon’s game.

    Gibson walked four batters in the first inning alone and Josh Donaldson took him deep twice, giving him back-to-back multi-homer games. The Blue Jays jumped out to a 5-0 lead, and it was starting to look like the Twins lead for the second Wild Card spot was in jeopardy.

    But the offense erupted for seven runs in the second inning and Gibson found himself as he cruised through the next four frames. The bats would add six more runs in the fifth inning, allowing a low-stress day for the bullpen.

    The five earned runs and five walks make Gibson’s line look pretty ugly, but he only gave up three hits and had eight strikeouts over 6.0 innings. He didn’t allow a single base runner from the third through sixth innings.

    Eddie Rosario and Byron Buxton got the comeback started by hitting back-to-back homers. The big blast of the day came from Joe Mauer, who hit a grand slam in the fifth. Later that inning, Rosario addd his second home run of the day.

    https://twitter.com/Twins/status/909518709743587330

    Mauer, Rosario and Buxton all finished with three hits. Byron also drew a walk. Brian Dozier, Eduardo Escobar and Jason Castro all had a pair of hits. Escobar added a walk and stole his fifth base of the season.

    AL Wild Card Standings

    WC1: Yankees 82-67 (+4.0)

    WC2: Twins 78-71

    Angels 76-73 (-2.0)

    Mariners 74-76 (-4.5)

    Postgame With Dozier

    https://twitter.com/fsnorth/status/909534081880178688

    Bullpen Usage

    Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:

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    Looking Ahead

    Mon: Twins (Ervin Santana) at Yankees (Jaime Garcia) , 6:05 pm CT

    Tue: Twins (Jose Berrios) at Yankees (CC Sabathia), 6:05 pm CT

    Wed: Twins (Bartolo Colon) at Yankees (Masahiro Tanaka), 12:08 pm CT

    Looking Back

    TOR 7, MIN 2: Pub Crawlers Have Best Night Ever Despite Twins Loss

    TOR 4, MIN 3: Pressley Fails To Pounce, Is Victim Of A Bad Bounce

    MIN 3, TOR 2: Buxton Blasts Walk-Off HR

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    Since the break, Buxton is fourth among all center fielders in WAR, and is actually outhitting Mike Trout (Buck has a better average and slug, with a much lower OBP). He also has only two fewer homers than Trout despite 68 fewer plate appearances. In other words, if Buxton hits like this the entire year next year, while holding his advantage in baserunning and defense, he will in all likelihood be a better player than Mike Trout.

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    All those who put the loss on Molitor for not pulling Colon sooner should tip their hats to him today for letting Gibson continue. 

     

    The two situations were not remotely similar.  

     

    So..no.  

     

    Chief, I love that you view baseball as it is-  a nuanced, situation-specific game.  So much more to it than, "Why did they  ________ tonight, when last night they did something completely different."

     

     

     

     

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    It was really nice to see Joe turn on that inside pitch. Here's hoping he can do that in Yankee Stadium a couple of times. I'm as happy for Joe as I'm for the Twins that he's hitting as well as he has. This season should help them tremendously going forward.

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    The two situations were not remotely similar.

     

    So..no.

    They may not bave been similar situations, but I honestly don't think anyone would have second guessed pulling Gibson after the second inning Donaldson HR. Especially with his track record.

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    Sure. But in order to be good at anything, you need to keep doing it in a high pressure, game situation. If you have a veteran player that hasn't bunted in a few years, how good will they be at it??  Bunt periodically to keep defenses honest and so you know how to do it when its really needed in a game situation.

    I think the experience value of "periodic" (meaning infrequent) bunts is pretty much non-existent.  Just like you don't become a meaningfully better defender at a position if you only play it once every couple months.  That experience is just too infrequent to be meaningful.  Even if it's not "high pressure game situations", it probably comes down to practice plus innate skill and comfort.  And that's going to show up in the data -- a guy like Dozier who just isn't comfortable bunting isn't going to do it, even just once every couple months.

     

    Also, for a good hitter, bunting is virtually never "needed" in a game situation.  Guys like Adrianza, Gimenez, rookie Granite, pitchers, sure.  But not good hitters.

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    I think the experience value of "periodic" (meaning infrequent) bunts is pretty much non-existent.  Just like you don't become a meaningfully better defender at a position if you only play it once every couple months.  That experience is just too infrequent to be meaningful.  Even if it's not "high pressure game situations", it probably comes down to practice plus innate skill and comfort.  And that's going to show up in the data -- a guy like Dozier who just isn't comfortable bunting isn't going to do it, even just once every couple months.

     

     

    I guess it depends upon your definition of periodic.

     

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    Definition of periodic
    1 a :occurring or recurring at regular intervals
    b :occurring repeatedly from time to time

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    To me periodic, in a baseball terms, would be weekly, since they play almost every day.

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    Also, for a good hitter, bunting is virtually never "needed" in a game situation.  Guys like Adrianza, Gimenez, rookie Granite, pitchers, sure.  But not good hitters.

    Maybe not needed, but a bunt is another weapon to be used.

     

    Back to the original Dozier bunt reference, he 'kept the line moving' by bunting, isn't that really what matters??

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    Since the break, Buxton is fourth among all center fielders in WAR, and is actually outhitting Mike Trout (Buck has a better average and slug, with a much lower OBP). He also has only two fewer homers than Trout despite 68 fewer plate appearances. In other words, if Buxton hits like this the entire year next year, while holding his advantage in baserunning and defense, he will in all likelihood be a better player than Mike Trout.

    yeah, as soon as he does it for 6 straight years...

     

    Since the break, Trout has a 168 wRC+ in 250 PAs, Buxton is at 154 with 182 PA.

     

    I love Buxton, but I refuse to put the pressure of living up to Trout's ability on Buxton. Trout could very well end up a top 5 position player ever when its all said and done.

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    Sure. Not the Sano's of the world but whats the difference if Buxton bunts for a hit and steals second or hits a double??

    Buxton is one of the fastest guys in the league. No one here has disputed he should be bunting for a hit sometimes. What about Dozier? Mauer? Stanton? You want them bunting weekly, regardless of results?

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    Buxton is one of the fastest guys in the league. No one here has disputed he should be bunting for a hit sometimes. What about Dozier? Mauer? Stanton? You want them bunting weekly, regardless of results?

    Stanton? I said previously not the Sano's of the world.  Arguing for arguments sake.

     

    This bunting discussion started because Dozier bunted for a hit when he saw the infield drawn back.  That's my point, take advantage for what the defense does. Bunt a few times, the defense moves in, making it easier to hit thru that hole, keep the defense honest, in the meantime getting a bunt hit and keeping the line moving. 

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    Stanton? I said previously not the Sano's of the world. Arguing for arguments sake.

     

    This bunting discussion started because Dozier bunted for a hit when he saw the infield drawn back. That's my point, take advantage for what the defense does. Bunt a few times, the defense moves in, making it easier to hit thru that hole, keep the defense honest, in the meantime getting a bunt hit and keeping the line moving.

    Sorry, I missed the Sano thing.

     

    But notice that Dozier isn't bunting weekly. Also notice that you didn't say anything now about bunting just for the sake of bunting experience.

     

    Again, no one here is quibbling with the idea of fast guys bunting for a hit sometimes, or a guy like Dozier catching the defense napping twice a season. But your "weekly experience" thing seemed to be arguing for more than that, which sounds like a good way for a lot of guys to give up regular PAs (and potential XBH) without much gain. Also have to factor in that regular bunt attempts will probably make defenses better at handling bunts, more than it will make any individual hunter better.

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