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    Nick Nelson

    For a second consecutive offseason, the Minnesota Twins appear legitimately interested in the top available talent from Japan. And for a second consecutive offseason, it seems to be a foregone conclusion that player will wind up elsewhere.

    But perhaps Minnesota will be luckier with Yusei Kikuchi than they were a year ago with Shohei Ohtani. If they can find a way to land the prized left-hander, it'd be a game-changer in their efforts to bolster the pitching staff.

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    Back in 2009, Kikuchi was a prep phenom for Hanamaki Higashi HS, touching the mid-90s with his fastball as a teenager. As he nearly became the first Japanese player ever to bypass the NPB draft and enter MLB directly out of high school, one of the teams courting him was the Texas Rangers, reportedly offering $7 million.

    Thad Levine was assistant general manager for the Rangers as they ardently pursued Kikuchi, who opted to remain in Japan at the time. He was also their assistant GM a few years later when they pulled off the landmark Yu Darvish signing.

    Levine was Minnesota's GM last offseason when Ohtani – a generational two-way talent out of Japan – became available. At the time, Levine made no secret of his desire to land Ohtani, but his Twins didn't make the final cut. Ohtani ended up having a sensational rookie season for the Angels.

    Now, we turn our attention to Kikuchi. Let's be clear: Ohtani he is not (though they did attend the high school). Kikuchi's upside doesn't approach that of Ohtani as a pitcher, and hitting isn't even part of the equation. But the 27-year-old lefty offers a quality arm that would fit snugly within Minnesota's long-term strategy.

    "VERY INTERESTED"

    La Velle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune tweeted on Friday that the Twins "like Kikuchi and have done a deep dive on him." A day later, the perpetually plugged in Darren Wolfson of KSTP added that the team is "very interested," and that Kikuchi has been scouted extensively by some of the organization's top evaluators.

    It isn't hard to see why Kikuchi would be of great interest to the Twins. First of all, they have plenty of money to spend. Secondly, they could use another starter – ideally a younger one who can pair with Jose Berrios as entrenched rotation fixtures.

    There is much to like about Kikuchi, who owns a 2.81 ERA and 1.17 WHIP in around 1,000 NPB innings. While it's tempting to draw up glitzy Ohtani comparisons, the more plausible comp is right-hander Miles Mikolas.

    Mikolas was a former seventh-round draft pick of the Padres who headed to Japan to re-establish himself after washing out of affiliated ball in his mid-20s. During his time with the Yomiuri Giants, he posted numbers that were similar in many ways to Kikuchi with the Saitama Seibu Lions – very strong, but not out-of-this-world overpowering or dominant. Last winter, Mikolas sought to return to the majors at age 28.

    The Cardinals signed him to a two-year deal worth $15.5 million, and boy has that investment paid off. Mikolas was phenomenal in 2018, finishing 18-4 with a 2.38 ERA and 1.07 WHIP in 200 innings. He finished sixth in the NL Cy Young voting.

    The two aren't mirror images by any means. Mikolas has superior command, which was his calling card during a stellar reintroduction to the majors. But Kikuchi probably has the better repertoire, highlighted by a swing-and-miss slider. And he's a lefty.

    Mikolas is an encouraging precedent, both in terms of process and results. The Cards were able to add him cheaply, because of the inherent question marks in translating performance from a foreign league, but he was more than up to the task. Kikuchi will require more to sign than Mikolas, but he'll still be far cheaper than, say, Patrick Corbin (who is incidentally a pretty similar pitcher in the FB/SL southpaw mold).

    UPHILL BATTLE

    So the Twins are interested in Kikuchi. Why wouldn't they be? But this brings us to the core issue at hand: so is almost every other team in the majors. And as was the case with Ohtani, the Twins only have so much capacity in their efforts to woo him.

    Granted, this isn't nearly the same type of scenario that led to Los Angeles committing just $23 million last year to acquire Ohtani, who potential earnings were capped. Changes in the posting system, along with Kikuchi's heightened service time, mean that he'll be an unrestricted free agent in the traditional sense, with the Saitama Seibu Lions receiving a percentage of his eventual contract as a release fee.

    This actually works to the Twins' benefit. Going against big-market clubs and West Coast teams, they have some built-in disadvantages when it comes to recruiting talent out of Asia, before you even start talking about budget and resources. This ultimately doomed them in their pursuit of Ohtani. But with money being more of a differentiating factor, they have leverage to negotiate. If Minnesota's extensive scouting has created a strong confidence in Kikuchi's outlook, there's no reason the Twins can't hang with any other team in the bidding. They're still about $50 million short of matching their 2018 Opening Day payroll at present.

    But are they going to be able to outbid and outpitch every other big slugger in this race? The Yankees are known to be interested, and may be motivated after coming up short on Corbin. Kikuchi has been linked to the Padres, Dodgers and Mariners. Giants reporter Henry Schulman reported earlier this month that San Francisco "might be his first choice."

    https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/1071938861457059840

    Here's one wild card in this whole situation: Kikuchi is represented by Scott Boras. In one sense that's scary, since Boras is a notoriously tough negotiator and is known for brokering some of the biggest contracts in MLB history. But on the other hand, Boras also reps two of Minnesota's most integral long-term pieces: Royce Lewis and Alex Kirilloff. Those two would hopefully slot in alongside Kikuchi within the next few years.

    Is this advantageous in any way? I have no clue. But it's at least interesting to note.

    THE CLOCK IS TICKING

    Kikuchi was posted by the Seibu Lions on December 4th, and his 30-day window for open negotiations will end on January 2nd, so we'll have clarity on the lefty's future within 10 days. La Velle noted, in his tweet on the team's interest, that the Twins "think they won’t be one of the favorites to land him," which is unsurprising. But by all accounts, it looks like they are earnestly trying.

    If the money is there, and Kikuchi buys into Minnesota's vision of a perennial contender at Target Field fueled by fellow Boras clients Lewis and Kirilloff? Who knows. One thing's for sure: It'd be the kind of splashy addition this fan base could use.

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    Giving a guy like this a multi year deal is suicide for us. Never pitched a day in the majors. How do we even begin to understand what he can do in this arena? I know zilch about this guy yet there are people who know slightly more suddenly excited to sign him. I don't get it other than it puts a little attention on us for making a mid-level international signing. It's almost like some want the Twins to make news.

     

    Pitching in Japan doesn't really translate here. There is a reason why very few Japanese pitchers make it here. The ball is different, the hitters are different, the rotations are arranged differently, travel isn't as much of a factor, the language and cultural barrier is big, etc...

    It's a big jump for a Japanese pitcher to make and I know nothing of this guy but his numbers and a few write ups. Brilliant job by the poster earlier in this thread who's seen him play. He admitted he had an interest in him coming to the Twins (mostly so he can see more Twins baseball in Japan).

     

    i just want the Twins to be better. I can't realistically say this guy accomplishes that. I know nothing about him. I have to do a whole lot of research to even begin to understand if he's an exception. I won't assume he is

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    I wouldn't be surprised to hear the Twins made a competitive offer, unfortunately that type of offer has virtually no chance of getting Kikuchi to sign. The only way that Minnesota would even have had a chance would be if they made an offer substantially higher than any of the west coast teams (which I'm fairly sure wasn't going to happen).

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    $14 million AAV. Apparently out of the budget here.

     

    https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1080142054406176768?s=19

    That contract makes my head hurt. Or maybe it was the champagne.

     

    I didn’t think there was any likelihood the Twins would sign Kikuchi. Also ok with that. Would much rather see them sign a couple of solid RPs. (Britton and Ottavino would probably be too much to hope for?)

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    $14 million AAV. Apparently out of the budget here.

     

    https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1080142054406176768?s=19

    Or, he was always going to sign for a market with a large Japanese culture, as I predicted a few posts up.

     

    I don't think there is a remotely reasonable offer that the Twins could have made that would have even gotten a response.

    The new posting rules are great for the Asian players, but terrible for every team that's not in LA, NY, Seattle, or San Francisco.

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    Pitching in Japan doesn't really translate here. 

     Ohtani, Tanaka, Maeda, and Darvish.....

     

    Those are only current Japanese pitchers in MLB. I think some just want to the Twins to add talent. 

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    Well the way for teams to handle that is by not offering those guys anything, that as a result will drop the value of their offers from those west coast teams because they won't have any competition for those players and soon they won't like the value of their offers anymore. Let them corner themselves out of the market. I mean if we all already know they won't sign, why bother?

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    Well the way for teams to handle that is by not offering those guys anything, that as a result will drop the value of their offers from those west coast teams because they won't have any competition for those players and soon they won't like the value of their offers anymore. Let them corner themselves out of the market. I mean if we all already know they won't sign, why bother?

    You'd still have 6 teams bidding, which is plenty. It only takes 2 teams to drive up a price.

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    Well the way for teams to handle that is by not offering those guys anything, that as a result will drop the value of their offers from those west coast teams because they won't have any competition for those players and soon they won't like the value of their offers anymore. Let them corner themselves out of the market. I mean if we all already know they won't sign, why bother?

    I’m not sure I follow the logic...make it cheaper for west coast teams? How does that help the Twins?

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    per Passan, ESPN

     

    The novel contract could see Kikuchi in Seattle for as few as three years and as many as seven, according to sources. The base deal is for three years and $43 million. Following the 2021 season, the Mariners can trigger a four-year, $66 million extension. If they decline to do so, Kikuchi either can trigger a $13 million option for the 2022 season or elect free agency. The deal guarantees $56 million and can be worth as much as $109 million.

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    If this team is still rolling with Sano and Polanco on the left side of the infield, they'd be insane to want anything to do with an expensive sinkerballer who can't miss bats.

    What's a better solution, or are you condoning not adding more starters this year? Which is a fine stance, just curious

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    It's an interesting contract. Good for Seattle. No surprise to anyone he's on the West coast. Can't fault the Twins here at all.

    If only Norway and Sweden started developing stud ballplayers. As much lutefisk, pickled herring and Swedish meatballs as you want....

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    If this team is still rolling with Sano and Polanco on the left side of the infield, they'd be insane to want anything to do with an expensive sinkerballer who can't miss bats.

    The fact that Polanco is over at short bugs me.  We were so in love with Dozier that we had to do that.

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    The fact that Polanco is over at short bugs me.  We were so in love with Dozier that we had to do that.

    Whatever the reasons for it, it was what it was. But I do agree Polanco needs to move to second and I’d prefer he did it this year and not sit on our thumbs waiting for Lewis. Get Polanco established at 2nd BEFORE Lewis comes up. So I want them to trade for or sign a legit SS now ... there’s still one available on the FA market, but the White Sox are closer to signing him than we are. The White Sox.

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    If only Norway and Sweden started developing stud ballplayers. As much lutefisk, pickled herring and Swedish meatballs as you want....

    it seems like we have/had the market on German, Dutch, and Australian players.... too bad none of those countries have leagues competitive with Japan
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    What's a better solution, or are you condoning not adding more starters this year? Which is a fine stance, just curious

     

    I would condone not adding any sinkerballers, they're not a fit for this team. Nor any team that thinks intentionally putting the ball in play is a bad idea.

     

    The free agent starters were brutal this year, I wouldn't have wanted to add one just for the sake of making a move. I don't know, maybe take a chance on Gio Gonzalez or Clay Buchholz if they have any desire to come here. Otherwise, yeah, I don't see any of those free agents making the team any better.

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