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    Nick Nelson

    Shortly after they hired Paul Molitor as manager in November of 2014, the Twins invited me to Target Field for a one-on-one interview with him. They had asked if I'd write a feature on the newly minted skipper for their season preview publication, and I gladly accepted.

    Upon meeting Molitor, I was impressed with the man. That continues to this day. But I've never really been able to figure out how impressed I am with the manager. Right now, it's difficult to assuage the nagging doubts.

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    Molitor was still getting accustomed to his new office when we chatted in it that January afternoon. I don't think he'd done many media interviews yet, and his burgeoning excitement was easily detected.

    The hardball lifer genuinely enjoyed being asked thoughtful questions, and answering them thoroughly. I noticed – especially upon transcribing – that his responses were eloquent, intelligent, and enlightening.

    This would become a recurring trend in my experience with him.

    Molitor's intellect is undeniable. The term "baseball IQ" gets bandied around a lot but this Hall of Famer embodies it. In my first interaction, and many others I've had with him during spring training scrums since, he has always exuded a deep knowledge of the game. With no disrespect to his affable predecessor, I gain actual insight from talking to Molitor, in a way I never did before.

    As someone who coaches young kids during the summer, I'm beyond impressed with Molitor's ability to articulate concepts and break down strategic intricacies in a way that makes total sense. These are, seemingly, the hallmarks of an impactful coach.

    But unfortunately there is little evidence of Molitor being able to move the needle effectively while at the helm

    THAT FAMILIAR FEELING

    We all understood that Minnesota was taking a gamble when Molitor got the nod to replace Ron Gardenhire. The finalist he beat out for the job, Torey Lovullo, was a seasoned MLB coach who'd been serving as bench coach for John Farrell's Red Sox, one year removed from a championship.

    Molitor, on the other hand, offered little substantive experience. He briefly served on the coaching staffs for Minnesota and Seattle after retiring as a player, and he was in Gardy's dugout during the 92-loss 2014 season, but Molitor had never managed at any level.

    The Twins opted for their guy, a known favorite of the Pohlads. Hiring Molitor made sense in that, as a longtime roving minor-league instructor, he was very familiar to the organization's rising young core. But his lack of a track record was conspicuous.

    Lovullo ended up joining the Diamondbacks as manager two years later. From all appearances it's been a great move for Arizona. They made the playoffs as a wild-card last year, improving by 24 wins in Lovullo's first season, and are currently in first place.

    Molitor's tenure with the Twins thus far has been much more of a mixed bag.

    UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN

    This section is not an advertisement for one of my favorite spots in my Uptown (though I highly recommend Up-Down to fellow enjoyers of beer and video games).

    It is instead an apt description of this team under Paul Molitor the manager.

    So it goes, right? As Ernie Halwell put it so well: "Baseball is a lot like life. It's a day-to-day existence, full of ups and downs."

    The problem is that, under Molitor, Minnesota's "ups" haven't risen all that impressively high. And the "downs" have been harrowingly low.

    In 2015, Molitor led the Twins to their first winning season in five years. Miguel Sano and Byron Buxton debuted. Brian Dozier made his first All-Star team. The future was very bright.

    Then: Total. System. Failure.

    That 2016 campaign was an unmitigated disaster. A team that was expected to – at the very least – hang on the fringe of contention instead spiraled uncontrollably, losing 103 games in the franchise's worst season since transplanting from Washington.

    There's really no need to rehash it. We all remember.

    Because of that catastrophe, Minnesota's jump to 85 wins in 2017 looked like a momentous achievement, rather than a modest improvement from their 83 wins in 2015. And that drastic turnaround, punctuated by a brief postseason run, earned Molitor the distinction of AL Manager of the Year. (Naturally, Lovullo won it in the National League.) Then came the three-year contract extension, almost a formality at that point.

    And this context makes it strange to be discussing the possibility of Molitor's dismissal.

    A reigning Manager of the Year? Less than three months into a new deal? With forceful support from ownership?

    In many ways, the notion of firing Molitor seems absurd. But frankly, it would be more absurd not to seriously assess it as an option.

    The fact is that, as much as I may sympathize with the Pohlad family's affinity for Molitor, he just doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to managerial chops.

    IGNITING A FIRE

    Without question, Paul Molitor was one of the greatest baserunners in MLB history. Despite lacking elite speed he pilfered 504 bases with a 79% success rate in his playing career, and he stole home 10 times.

    I think anyone who's watched this 2018 team regularly would agree they run the bases as sloppily as any in memory. They've been thrown out, picked off, and caught adrift countless times.

    Molitor was a sharp and versatile fielder prior to becoming primarily a DH in his 30s.

    Miscues are all too common for this year's defensive unit, as they were in 2016.

    At the plate, Molitor's discipline was legendary, his power surprising, his bat relentless. He was known as "The Ignitor."

    This offense has most often failed to launch, with astoundingly mediocre numbers across the board. The Twins have hit fewer home runs than all but three AL teams, which seems unfathomable after the way they finished 2017.

    Suffice to say, knowledge and expertise don't transfer directly. We knew that.

    But if Molitor isn't – in some way – passing along his strengths, then what are we doing here?

    The jury is out on him as a tactician. Molitor's designed plays – steals, hit-and-runs, going on contact – haven't worked out very often. His bullpen, while capable, hasn't performed in leverage, as evidenced by mop-up longman Matt Magill leading the relief corps in WPA.

    Ryan Pressly has appeared in 36 of the team's first 68 games and has seen his performance decline. Meanwhile Magill works once a week, while looking perfectly capable of taking on more. The bullpen decisions have sometimes been baffling.

    I hesitate to attribute these things entirely to Molitor. He's not making decisions on an island. He receives input from his coaches, specialized pitching analyst Josh Kalk, and the players themselves. From my understanding, it is a more sophisticated system than one might assume. "Collaborative," as its mastermind Derek Falvey would undoubtedly say.

    And that's sorta the trouble with trying to gauge Molitor's culpability. He's only one piece in a very complex puzzle. Would making a change really be worthwhile?

    I do know this: It takes some contorting not to see him as part of the problem. In 2016 a reasonably talented team tanked to the dregs of franchise precedent. And right now a more talented team – built to win, with a record payroll – is sputtering along, incapable of capturing any kind of sustained momentum despite an incredible window of opportunity.

    There's no question that Molitor understands and – most endearingly, I think – continually studies the game to an obsessive degree. I trust his judgment on baseball decisions and could never really doubt his acumen. Few rightfully could.

    But given what we saw in 2016, and now are seeing in 2018, one must question his ability to rally the troops and become a uniting force.

    I'll be honest: typing that last sentence felt nauseatingly cliché. What does it even mean? These vague and intangible leadership platitudes in sports have always driven me crazy, but there's simply no denying their reality. Managers matter.

    Players aren't "quitting" on Molitor, as I've seen a few people ludicrously suggest. His bullpen management, if occasionally odd, isn't a fireable offense. And it'd be tough to make the case that Molitor has wrongfully alienated certain players, or the clubhouse at large.

    But something is out of whack with this team's engine, which simply hasn't been able to ignite. And while I fully believe the players bear the brunt of that burden... you can't fire the players.

    Speaking of fire, and ignition, maybe these words hint at what is amiss.

    As I pondered this subject, I went back and listened through that first interview I conducted with Molitor, still filed away in my phone's audio log.

    I had asked him to explain, from his view, what differentiated him from his predecessor and friend Ron Gardenhire.

    Naturally, Molitor opened with a complimentary remark about his general sameness with Gardy, but then addressed the question head-on:

    "If there's a difference that pops into my head, it would be that he wears his emotions on his sleeves. Whether it's protecting his players, going out on the field and dealing with umpires and things. And I have a tendency to be a little bit different in my demeanor in that regard.

    "Not to say one is better than the other, but again, you can't try to be someone you're not."

    A part of me wonders whether pushing this team to the next level requires something that Molitor – by his own earnest admission – is not.

    Another part of me thinks that's all a bunch of hooey.

    Needless to say, I'm conflicted. But I'm curious to hear what others think.

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    All of this.

     

    Outside of Pressly, none of the Twins relievers are anywhere near overworked. That's the one criticism I just don't get, and which just isn't based on any sound data whatsoever. 

    This is arguably true today but it certainly wasn't 3 weeks ago. Though why are you using total innings pitched and not IP/Game? We've played 5 games less than the Tigers, and 3 less than the Indians, and have played the fewest games in the AL. For the first 2 months of the season Molitor would just shrug with a blank look on his face and throw Reed or Pressley out there. It was cringworthy.

     

    We had 3 guys in the top 10 for RP usage 3 weeks ago, way outside accepted norms. Even today we have 3 of the 18 most used pitchers in the AL. Someone clearly told Molitor in no uncertain terms to cut it out because they haven't been pitched much at all in those 3 weeks. 

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    Yet, injuries can't be blamed for the lack of situational awareness, prevalent base running gaffes, defensive gaffes and poor bullpen management that have plagued the entirety of his managerial tenure. The first three take no level of talent to understand or execute - it's simply being aware of what is going on in the game. So simply saying that Molitor has been handcuffed with injuries or a lack of talent and should get a pass because of it is missing where the dissatisfaction stems from.

    furthermore, was he not a roving minor league instructor for the core players? How is defensive miscues and baserunning gaffes not on him?
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    Molitor is fine. The record the Twins had last year are making people believe this team as constructed is better than it is and Molitor is the scapegoat. Lots of players are underperforming, there have been some key injuries and this team just isn't that good.

     

    I have, however, completely turned around on Rosario. After seeing how he is with the fans live, he is now my favorite current Twin.

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    after 4 years the talent hasn't been good enough to warrant a quality record no matter who is steering the ship. I think that is the correct answer.

     

    Our farm system 4 years ago was better in most expert's eyes than the Astros Pirates, and Cubs. We should be competing with them at a minimum. At some point you have to ask why we get the least from our prospects and other teams get the most. Our prospects do well in the minors and then they get here...

     

    https://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/article/22906/prospects-will-break-your-heart-2014-organizational-rankings/

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    Our farm system 5 years ago was better in most expert's eyes than both the Astros and the Cubs. We should be competing with them at a minimum. Who takes the blame when elite prospects bust?

    How about player development in the minors?  This has been a problem since long before Molitor was in charge.  When they get to the majors, they should be ready to play in the majors.  Molitor isn't responsible for our two best prospects not living up to expectations.

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    Talent or no, his bullpen management is suspect. The team seems bad at fundamentals, and the major league staff he leads has failed at improving their two most important players. It isn't just about wins and losses....

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    Big shock, the batter that berrios crosses the magic number is his last. Lol we could just put a buzzer in an earpiece and when the 100th pitch is thrown the player can just walk out. No reason for a mound visit. Autopilot manager.

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    Talent or no, his bullpen management is suspect. The team seems bad at fundamentals, and the major league staff he leads has failed at improving their two most important players. It isn't just about wins and losses....

    Practically every manager's bullpen management is suspect and if you look around baseball forums it is the number one complaint about every manager in the game by the fans of those teams. His mistakes are just magnified (for us) due to it being our team and the fact he has so little bullpen talent to count on so he has to overuse the few good pieces we have.

     

    And fundamentals shouldn't need to be taught at the major league level.  That's like rookie ball and Single A stuff.  Certainly by the time a guy deserves to be brought up he has those down...or should.  And if not shame on the development team and or the player.

     

    And also, lack of fundamentals on occasion is not something unique to the Twins. 

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    How about player development in the minors?  This has been a problem since long before Molitor was in charge.  When they get to the majors, they should be ready to play in the majors.  Molitor isn't responsible for our two best prospects not living up to expectations.

     

    You mentioned Molitor not having enough talent to work with. We'll just have to agree to disagree. No manager had access to the type of talent Molitor walked in to. 

     

    Stated another way: what do you think Molitor is really good at? You seem to think he's done well. At what though?

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    You mentioned Molitor not having enough talent to work with. We'll just have to agree to disagree. No manager had access to the type of talent Molitor walked in to. 

     

    Stated another way: what do you think Molitor is really good at? You seem to think he's done well. At what though?

    I said he's fine.  I didn't state he was a top manager. I just think that on the list of problems we have, I don't see him as the reason this team isn't getting it done.  And if he was gone tomorrow, I don't think the talent on this team gets us anywhere closer.

     

    He seems to have the respect of his players.  Players seem to like him.  The team isn't bickering or overly complaining.  And he knows the game.  

     

    Now, when you say no manager has had access to the type of talent he did, what do you mean?  Any manager?  Any Twins manager?  Cause certainly more MLB managers have and Gardy inherited a darn fine team made by Kelly.  I'm confused by that statement in many ways.

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    What defensive gaffes?  Rosario throwing to the wrong base or no base in particular.  Grossman airmailing cutoff men.  Throwing down to 2B to nab a slow as molasses runner stealing 2B while the runner on 3B scampers home to score.  These aren't physical errors, they're mental and they happen far too frequently for a professional baseball team.

     

    What baserunning gaffes?  Logan Morrison getting picked off of 2B late in a tie game.  Rosario rounding 1B on a hit to RF and getting picked off when the throw goes behind him.  Getting in more rundowns than a Little League team.  These are mental errors and they happen far to frequently for a professional baseball team.

     

    Neither of those two things require any particular level of skill, just awareness of what's going on.  

     

    Poor bullpen management - I'll refer you to Chielf's comment (post #48) above since he already did the work for me.

     

    These things contribute to the overall record and have no relation to the injuries you're using as an excuse.  

     

    Yeah but Logan Morrison isn't a rookie and he surely knows how to take a lead off of second and Rosario has been playing long enough to know the cut system. Paul isn't coaching little league, these guys know the universal fundamentals of the game by now. If they don't... a major league manager doesn't have a chance. 

     

    If Molitor has to pull the players out of a more advanced calculus class to teach one plus one equals two he doesn't have a chance.  :)

     

    I'm hesitant to blame Paul for this.  

     

     

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    I said he's fine.  I didn't state he was a top manager. I just think that on the list of problems we have, I don't see him as the reason this team isn't getting it done.  And if he was gone tomorrow, I don't think the talent on this team gets us anywhere closer.

     

    He seems to have the respect of his players.  Players seem to like him.  The team isn't bickering or overly complaining.  And he knows the game.  

     

    Now, when you say no manager has had access to the type of talent he did, what do you mean?  Any manager?  Any Twins manager?  Cause certainly more MLB managers have and Gardy inherited a darn fine team made by Kelly.  I'm confused by that statement in many ways.

     

    Yeah whether he has the respect of his players is something I could never know, or really care about. He just seems tired, indifferent, and confused a lot of the time. And people defend him but never really say what he's good at or what they like about him.

     

    Like if you said Eddie Rosario is a below average baseball player I would defend him by listing a bunch of ways he's really good at baseball. Whenever a Molitor discussion comes up no one can come up with reasons they think he's a good manager. 100% of the time it's "he's not that bad". I'm looking for better than that even if it means taking on risk.

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    Yeah whether he has the respect of his players is something I could never know, or really care about. He just seems tired, indifferent, and confused a lot of the time. And people defend him but never really say what he's good at or what they like about him.

     

    Like if you said Eddie Rosario is bad at baseball I would defend him by listing a bunch of ways he's really good at baseball. Whenever a Molitor discussion comes up no one can come up with reasons they think he's a good manager. 100% of the time it's "he's not that bad". I'm looking for better than that even if it means taking risk.

    I believe I answered what I think he's good at and what I like about him.  Being a manager is about managing people and their egos to get them to work toward a common goal.  That's true of all managers in any profession. There are better ones and there are worse ones than Molitor. With the talent on this team, we could have the best one and I think it's make little difference but maybe a game or three.  Talent is what wins.

     

    Again, when you state no manager has had access to the type of talent Molitor did, what do you mean?Any manager?Any Twins manager?Cause certainly more MLB managers have and Gardy inherited a darn fine team made by Kelly. So, I'm confused by that statement in many ways

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    Yeah but Logan Morrison isn't a rookie and he surely knows how to take a lead off of second and Rosario has been playing long enough to know the cut system. Paul isn't coaching little league, these guys know the universal fundamentals of the game by now. If they don't... a major league manager doesn't have a chance. 

     

    If Molitor has to pull the players out of a more advanced calculus class to teach one plus one equals two he doesn't have a chance.  :)

     

    I'm hesitant to blame Paul for this.  

    I might be wrong, but if Tom Kelly was still managing, I believe the throws from Rosario that sail to the backstop would cease after one occurrence. He and Eddie would be out there after the game practicing hitting the cutoff, and if it happened again, they'd be back out there after the game practicing again, and Eddie wouldn't be in the lineup the next night.

     

    It's not that the players don't KNOW the fundamentals, it's that Molitor doesn't know how to get players to pay attention to them.

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    Tom Kelly had 8 consecutive seasons under .500.  And I could find all kinds of absurd things he did in his managing times.  Ditto Gardy.

     

    Debates about the quality of a MLB manager result in so many absurd, inconsistent arguments it makes my brain hurt.  This thread is not disappointing in that respect.

     

    I appreciate that Nick attempted to stay above that.

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    Again, when you say no manager has had access to the type of talent he did, what do you mean?Any manager?Any Twins manager?Cause certainly more MLB managers have and Gardy inherited a darn fine team made by Kelly.I'm confused by that statement in many ways

     

    I mean organization depth the day he took over as manager, how teams with #1 prospect systems have done over the last 30 years, player's in-season production vs preseason projections over the past 4 years, how free agents have performed here vs their former teams. 

     

    I believe those are the best way to judge a manager's performance. 500 games is enough for me and hopefully it's enough for management to move on. He genuinely seems confused a lot of the time.

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    Practically every manager's bullpen management is suspect and if you look around baseball forums it is the number one complaint about every manager in the game by the fans of those teams. His mistakes are just magnified (for us) due to it being our team and the fact he has so little bullpen talent to count on so he has to overuse the few good pieces we have.

     

    And fundamentals shouldn't need to be taught at the major league level. That's like rookie ball and Single A stuff. Certainly by the time a guy deserves to be brought up he has those down...or should. And if not shame on the development team and or the player.

     

    And also, lack of fundamentals on occasion is not something unique to the Twins.

    Maddon disagrees, and says you still need to teach in the majors, especially as the league gets younger.

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    Tom Kelly had 8 consecutive seasons under .500. And I could find all kinds of absurd things he did in his managing times. Ditto Gardy.

     

    Debates about the quality of a MLB manager result in so many absurd, inconsistent arguments it makes my brain hurt. This thread is not disappointing in that respect.

     

    I appreciate that Nick attempted to stay above that.

    so, don't criticize the manager?
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    Maddon disagrees, and says you still need to teach in the majors, especially as the league gets younger.

    I never said teaching stops once the player hits the majors.  But basic fundamentals?  That should be done in the minors.  If a refresher course is needed in the majors, fine.  But some of our players make the same fundamental mistakes over and over and I highly doubt Molitor, with his baseball knowledge, has just skipped over doing his part to make that stop.  Players, ultimately need to stop making those mistakes or it's on them.

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    so, don't criticize the manager?

    Even people who think firing Molitor won't solve our problems find reasons to criticize him because every manager makes mistakes, even Maddon (who is one of the very best managers in the game right now and, perhaps, ever).

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    so, don't criticize the manager?

     

    I'm pretty sure I clearly indicated how I appreciate Nick's criticism.  So...no.  Isn't this the same kind of complete disregard for comprehending a post you often complain about?

     

    Be critical with evidence.  And consider context.  Parker's post on the bullpen stuff has seemingly been  ignored but is pretty important to consider.  But "Tom Kelly would've X" is immediately a really, really bad argument.  

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    I'm pretty sure I clearly indicated how I appreciate Nick's criticism. So...no. Isn't this the same kind of complete disregard for comprehending a post you often complain about?

     

    Be critical with evidence. And consider context. Parker's post on the bullpen stuff has seemingly been ignored but is pretty important to consider. But "Tom Kelly would've X" is immediately a really, really bad argument.

    Tom Kelly?

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    I'm pretty sure I clearly indicated how I appreciate Nick's criticism.  So...no.  Isn't this the same kind of complete disregard for comprehending a post you often complain about?

     

    Be critical with evidence.  And consider context.  Parker's post on the bullpen stuff has seemingly been  ignored but is pretty important to consider.  But "Tom Kelly would've X" is immediately a really, really bad argument.  

     

    Critiquing other's arguments is trivially easy. Making an argument as to why Moltor is a good manager is proving to be much more difficult.

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    Critiquing other's arguments is trivially easy. Making an argument as to why Moltor is a good manager is proving to be much more difficult.

     

    Frankly, I think the next dog you see could manage a baseball team to about 2 less wins than Maddon.  

     

    That's how much I think of the position in the current baseball context.  If Molitor is fired or retained I think it's largely irrelevant.

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    Critiquing other's arguments is trivially easy. Making an argument as to why Moltor is a good manager is proving to be much more difficult.

    just cause you discard the reasons given doesn't make them poor reasons.  I've yet to see complaints about Molitor that most fans of teams don't complain about their own managers doing.

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    Big shock, the batter that berrios crosses the magic number is his last. Lol we could just put a buzzer in an earpiece and when the 100th pitch is thrown the player can just walk out. No reason for a mound visit. Autopilot manager.

    Well, Berrios was giving up baserunners and he was looking gassed. I'm not sure if he would have been able to take on Benintendi-Bogaerts-Martinez another time.

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