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  • Is Carlos Correa Really Going to Get Paid?


    Ted Schwerzler

    The Minnesota Twins are all but expecting Carlos Correa to opt out, and that should be seen as a near certainty, but is the big payday really there? With another loaded free agent class, the answer isn’t as certain.

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    An immediate note on Carlos Correa opting out should be that it does not mean his time with the Minnesota Twins is done. He’s going to opt out because it makes sense for him to do so from a longevity standpoint. Soon-to-be 28-years-old, Correa would be better off landing a long-term deal as opposed to playing next season at $35.1 million. If he kept this current contract, he’d hit the market again at 30-years-old, making the long-term expectation that much more contentious.

    This offseason Correa had Scott Boras angle for $35.1 million. That extra $100,000 landed Correa the highest paying deal for a Major League infielder by average annual value. It came in ahead of another Boras client in Anthony Rendon. To a certain extent, Correa has already earned a record deal. Now, what does he want to do from here?

    Looking at things as they stand currently, Correa would be no better than the 4th best option in terms of 2022 fWAR among 2023 free agents. Dansby Swanson (5.2) leads the position, with Trea Turner (4.7) just behind him and Xander Bogaerts (4.2) coming in third. Correa’s 2.2 fWAR checks in 13th among qualified shortstops.

    Age wise, Turner is a bit older at 29 while Swanson is less than a year separated from Minnesota’s shortstop. Bogaerts paces the group at nearly 30-years-old, which could provide an interesting case study for Correa should he surprisingly choose to play out the string on his deal now. Making just $20 million through 2024, Bogaerts is all but certain to opt out of his contract with the Boston Red Sox, and it seems there’s been little dialogue regarding an extension.

    I think you can make the case that Turner is a superior player to Correa, while Swanson’s emergence has been more recent. Bogaerts is probably ahead of the Puerto Rican as well, but again, has a bit of age constraints going against him.

    Then there’s the understanding that the market would need to shift substantially. Last year Correa was looking for that big $300 million deal. He never found it, and instead signed with the Twins. Sure, the Los Angeles Dodgers could be in play needing to replace Turner, but that’d be pretty awkward given the reality that he’s the fanbase's favorite player to boo. It’s tough to see the New York Yankees getting in after opting for Isiah Kiner-Falefa instead, and having Anthony Volpe as their top prospect near ready to go. With that, you’ve immediately taken out two of the top spenders. Oh, and Steve Cohen already has Francisco Lindor with the New York Mets.

    So, where does that leave Correa? If last winter was a cold shoulder, maybe this one is even moreso. There’s no denying he’s an elite talent, and he’s going to get paid, but maybe not to the extent he hopes. A five or six year deal may happen, but it will come at a substantially lesser average annual value. A six-year deal at $200 million isn’t much of a drop, still $33.3 million. I don’t know that $150 million gets it done, but over five years that’s still $30 million per season. The decision probably lands on what level of future security is desired, and how much the average annual value matters.

    Anything close to either of those scenarios would be a record spend for Minnesota, but given the current financial obligations, it’s a pool they could certainly play in. Not having to fight against the biggest markets, Correa opting-out could ultimately result in him choosing to return to a place he’s stated feeling comfortable. Noted as a homebody, maybe weight is placed on not moving again, and this is certainly a fanbase that would embrace him for the long term.

    Having a left side of the infield that includes Royce Lewis and Correa for something like the next handful of years would be quite the stabilizing force for a team looking to take another step forward.

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    19 hours ago, Rosterman said:

    Considering the alck of free-agent talent that will come and play in Minnesota, the Twins can afford Correa for another season.

    Also, Lewis won't be ready right away.

    Be interesting to see how Austin Martin progresses next season and if Brooks Lee is for real.

    Whether or not the Twins can afford Correa for another season is immaterial.  The decision is Correa's, not the Twins.

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    22 hours ago, SanoMustGo said:

    I was all in when he signed, but I am now not sure he is worth 35 million per year.  I would think the Twins could use that money(and after the Sano buyout) to fill some other holes.  It leaves a hole at SS, but frankly he hasn't earned that money in my book this season.

    I agree 100%. The money can be spent better somewhere else. Unfortunately Correa has done nothing to increase his value this year. Yes, he could take the 36 mill for two more years but by then I think his value might plummet.  

    2024 is his best shot as there won't be many quality shortstops coming out so I expect Correa to play for the Twins one more year and hope he has a banner year. I think that's the message he is sending out right now.

    To be honest, I'm glad we only have him signed for 3 years. I would assume his agent is feeling the waters right now to judge interest. But for us, it's not about whether Correa winds up with a great long term deal. It's simply, does he opt out or not. If he does we are off the hook, ala, Donaldson and if things don't go well, maybe he will come back on a club friendly one year deal ..

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    Correa's offensive rate stats look pretty good. He's missed 20 games due to a bruised finger and COVID. His defensive numbers have not been as impressive but I wonder how much of that is the Twins defensive positioning versus where the Astros positioned him.

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    2 hours ago, DJL44 said:

    Correa's offensive rate stats look pretty good. He's missed 20 games due to a bruised finger and COVID. His defensive numbers have not been as impressive but I wonder how much of that is the Twins defensive positioning versus where the Astros positioned him.

    DITTO.

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    4 hours ago, saviking said:

     

    2024 is his best shot as there won't be many quality shortstops coming out so I expect Correa to play for the Twins one more year and hope he has a banner year. I think that's the message he is sending out right now.

     

    So many posters say this or some thing similar; are you guy gazing into the Magic 8 ball, that you know what is in aother person's mind?

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    There really is no reason for him NOT to opt out.  If it turns out like last year and he and Boras are left without a chair once the music stops, then what's the worst that can happen?  They can go sign another short-term make-good contract. Ok, so maybe it's only $30M instead of $35M. So what.  They could even circle back to the Twins, who have no one else ready to play SS.

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    21 hours ago, KirbyDome89 said:

    Correa was obtained on the FA market so the ratio is relevant. 

    I get a chuckle out of these quick math arguments when we all know teams aren't filling out their active rosters with 26 guys earning market value. 

    It's only relevant in determining if the Twins overpaid on the already inflated cost.  As it turns out, unless Correa makes it to 4.4ish WAR, the Twins will have overpaid twice.  There are a handful of teams that can afford to do that: the Twins cannot.

    Of course no roster is filled out with guys whose rank by salary and rank by WAR are identical.  But that's not the point that I, or anyone else saying similar things, is making.  The point we are making is that when you are the Twins, and you start handing out late-stage arbitration or FA deals/extensions, the production from rookie-scale or early-stage arbitration players is going to have to increase.  Correa, Sanchez, and Kepler are making $51.1M this year; they've accounted for 5.1 WAR (on pace for about 7), leaving the rest of the roster to make $92M while needing to produce 35 WAR.  That puts a lot of pressure on 23 players to either produce like all-stars, or be (relatively) low paid.  Do you see the problem here?

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    1 hour ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

    It's only relevant in determining if the Twins overpaid on the already inflated cost.  As it turns out, unless Correa makes it to 4.4ish WAR, the Twins will have overpaid twice.  There are a handful of teams that can afford to do that: the Twins cannot.

    Of course no roster is filled out with guys whose rank by salary and rank by WAR are identical.  But that's not the point that I, or anyone else saying similar things, is making.  The point we are making is that when you are the Twins, and you start handing out late-stage arbitration or FA deals/extensions, the production from rookie-scale or early-stage arbitration players is going to have to increase.  Correa, Sanchez, and Kepler are making $51.1M this year; they've accounted for 5.1 WAR (on pace for about 7), leaving the rest of the roster to make $92M while needing to produce 35 WAR.  That puts a lot of pressure on 23 players to either produce like all-stars, or be (relatively) low paid.  Do you see the problem here?

    Overpaid and inflated in comparison to what? The Twins started this year with a payroll $10M less than last year, it's clear they're not committing significant money to pitching, and they've got a lineup that's almost exclusively young/cheap/on team friendly deals, so what exactly about the Correa signing isn't viable for them?

    Conversely Arraez, Polanco, and Miranda cost roughly $8M combined and have been worth 6+ WAR and counting. Half of the Twins top WAR producers aren't even arb eligible, 3 of the remaining 5 are on the aforementioned team friendly deals, Sanchez is gone after this year, which leaves only Correa if he inexplicably decides to stay. You see my point about why it's silly to paper a FA dollars to WAR ratio across an entire roster when we know things are more fluid than that right?

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    1. I love watching Correa play defense. :)  His mistakes are so rare that they stand out.  He makes so many good throws that we just take for granted.  This can give some fans a distorted idea of Correa's value.
    2. Can anybody remember the Twins having a SS of his quality?  Smalley? Gagne?:  They were good but not near as good as Correa.
    3. Enjoy him while he is here.  However long that may be.  :)

     

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    1 hour ago, Thegrin said:
    1. I love watching Correa play defense. :)  His mistakes are so rare that they stand out.  He makes so many good throws that we just take for granted.  This can give some fans a distorted idea of Correa's value.
    2. Can anybody remember the Twins having a SS of his quality?  Smalley? Gagne?:  They were good but not near as good as Correa.
    3. Enjoy him while he is here.  However long that may be.  :)

     

    Simmons was just as good,  a bit better fielding the hard plays, but Correa's bat is much better.

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    19 hours ago, Squirrel said:

    But someone might give him $20-25million AAV for 6 years or more. Guaranteed money. And that is way better than $35million for 2 years.

    If he opts out of the final 2 years, I offer 7 years - $200M.

    2023 - $35M, 2024 - $35M, 2025 - $26M, 2026 - $26M, 2027 - $26M 2028 - $26M w/player opt out, 2029 - $26M w/player opt out.

    Contract would still give him the original $70M for the two opt out years, but would be adding a 5 year - $130M extension on with 2 opt out years at the end of the deal.  Realistically there might be more lucrative offers out there, but I would imagine it would be somewhere in the ballpark.

    With the current year, total contract with Twins would be 8 years, $235M which comes out to $29.375 AAV.  It's about $3M a year short of what Seager got last year.  You could always tack on some incentives to up the ante.

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