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  • How Long Will Joe Mauer Wait for Cooperstown Plaque?


    Ted Schwerzler

    On Tuesday night, MLB Network ran multiple hours of coverage to unveil the 2023 Major League Baseball Hall of Fame class. Despite 14 new names added to the ballot for writers to select, the ballot was hardly clogged and we still saw only Scott Rolen join the Hall of Fame. What does it mean for Joe Mauer's candidacy?

     

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    Last year, some of the best baseball players ever (Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens) went unelected in their final year on the Hall of Fame ballot. As we know, they were heavily tied to steroids, and that is certainly the reason they are not in. However, the Hall of Fame is a museum and incomplete without acknowledging the sport’s history as a whole. We still don’t have Pete Rose or "Shoeless" Joe Jackson in, and there are plenty of others who have been left out over the years.

    One can argue whether they would like to see those linked to some form of cheating left out, but the reality is that there are far worse or more egregious offenders already inducted. What should be a cause for concern among Twins fans is the way in which the process played out this season.

    Coming into this voting cycle, only Carlos Beltran was among the first-time candidates that had any true level of Hall Hope. His support has waned in light of the scandal with the Houston Astros (although, again, that has nothing to do with his playing days), but his resume was always going to be borderline. That left only Scott Rolen and Todd Helton as potential inductees.

    With the ability to select up to ten players, there were plenty of BBWAA members that turned in blank ballots. Rather than abstain from voting at all, multiple writers went to the trouble of turning in an empty ballot to make every candidate’s chances worse. There were far more that used less than the ten total slots, and plenty that used less than five.

    Fast forward to 2024.

    The two Hall of Famers from next year’s ballot should be Adrian Beltre and Joe Mauer. It is generally believed that Beltre will make the ballot in his first year of eligibility. The problem is that Mauer is not seen in the same way.

    For years, it has seemed as though the Twins fanbase was hardest on Mauer. Whether because of a terribly-reported diagnosis of bilateral leg weakness, an inability to blast home runs, or a contract that paid him for previous performance, there have always been detractors here. It seems that nationally Mauer has been praised a bit more. He’s on par with a player like Buster Posey, and he could have challenged the likes of Mike Piazza or even Carlton Fisk without the brain injuries that altered the course of his career.

    Mauer’s resume speaks for itself. He’s won multiple batting titles and should have won a Gold Glove at first base following a position change (still mad at you Eric Hosmer). There doesn’t seem to be a concern that Mauer is NOT a Hall of Famer, but rather when he gets in.

     

    Therein lies the problem, a process that’s broken within the writers voting on behalf of the BBWAA.

    If Helton and Rolen were seen as the only two candidates close, and Beltre is only joined by Mauer next year, there is no reason both shouldn’t be in on the first ballot. To suggest that the quickness with which a player goes in holds weight is silly. A good portion of when a player is elected has to do with how tight the ballot itself is.

    There has not yet been enough support for Billy Wagner. Jeff Kent falls off after this season, and Gary Sheffield would need a massive jump in his final year. Despite being among the best ever to play the game, no one is voting for Alex Rodriguez.

    It’s only logical that if a writer believes that Joe Mauer is truly a Hall of Famer, and said writer has up to ten openings, he would be among them.

    For writers of the BBWAA to purposely leave Mauer off of a light ballot only to vote for him a year later would be grandstanding at its best. The sanctity of going in on the first ballot gets more weight than the merit of a player’s resume. It has been discussed before that changing the ballot to a simple yes/no scenario may make sense, but that exercise can be practiced in its current format given how few should truly be considered.

    On a night that MLB Network took up three hours of airtime to market the stars of yesteryear, the writers fell short in getting the necessary names in. Helton should get his due next season, but like Mauer, waiting doesn't make sense. Fast forwarding to the next cycle and knowing we’re in for another light group, it would be inexcusable to leave the Twins legend off for little more than posturing.

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    5 hours ago, jharaldson said:

    In my mind his comps at 1B are Will Clark and John Olerud.  Both are LH, low-powered guys with WARs better than Mauer's.  And both are not in the Hall of Fame.  When you look at Mauer as a true "tweener" instead of a classic catcher I don't think he makes it.  

    JT Snow or Eric Hosmer are good comps for Mauer at 1B. Mauer is 0.5 wins above average in the time he spent as a regular at 1B. That doesn't really contribute much to his Hall of Fame case.

    Will Clark could hit the crap out of the ball. Twice as many HR as Mauer.

    It helps Mauer that he looks better than Posey and Molina. JT Realmuto is the only active catcher who looks like he has a chance at the Hall of Fame and he needs a few years to catch up to Mauer. Adley Rutschman had a nice debut but it's one season.

    If the Hall of Fame doesn't elect Mauer they might just stop electing catchers. That would make for a less interesting museum.

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    57 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

    Santana needed to pitch another 5 healthy successful years to get a good look.  I love him, but he will ultimately end up in the Hall of Very-Good.

    Yet somehow Billy Wagner, who wasn't half the pitcher of Santana, is on the cusp of election. Seriously, Santana has 7 seasons better than any of Wagner's.

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    An interesting comparison is Kirby Puckett as a first ballot HOF’er. I am a huge fan and believe that Puck is the Twins best player ever and overall face of the franchise. Entire career with the Twins, 2, world championships, and many awards; but 2,300 hits, 200 home runs, and a .318 average are hardly the stats of a first ballot electee. The fact that he was so elected indicates an acknowledgement of the impact of an injury shortened career.  I think if it is possible to look at Mauer’s career thru 2013 (essentially his catching career) using the same lens used regarding Puck’s shortened career, we would end up looking at Mauer differently.  It is unfortunate, but the final handful of years did not help his case at all. He was really just a shell of the player he once was (.270 avg and a half dozen home runs per year) as a 1B/DH. 

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    10 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

    Yet somehow Billy Wagner, who wasn't half the pitcher of Santana, is on the cusp of election. Seriously, Santana has 7 seasons better than any of Wagner's.

    Yeah... Don't get me started on relievers and Cooperstown.  Compare Joe Nathan and Billy Wagner. 

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    Just now, Elliot said:

    An interesting comparison is Kirby Puckett as a first ballot HOF’er. I am a huge fan and believe that Puck is the Twins best player ever and overall face of the franchise. Entire career with the Twins, 2, world championships, and many awards; but 2,300 hits, 200 home runs, and a .318 average are hardly the stats of a first ballot electee. The fact that he was so elected indicates an acknowledgement of the impact of an injury shortened career.  I think if it is possible to look at Mauer’s career thru 2013 (essentially his catching career) using the same lens used regarding Puck’s shortened career, we would end up looking at Mauer differently.  It is unfortunate, but the final handful of years did not help his case at all. He was really just a shell of the player he once was (.270 avg and a half dozen home runs per year) as a 1B/DH. 

    Puckett was elected because everybody loved him (off field issues aside).  BBWAA will vote for guys they like and not vote for guys they don't like (Curt Schilling anyone).  Many do not use any common sense.  Why else would Bronson Arroyo get a vote?  They are petty that way. 

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    3 hours ago, Ryan Atkins said:

    If we're going start putting guys like Scott Rolen (a fine player) in the Hall of Fame, then no one should question Joe Mauer getting in. And he should be in on the 1st ballot. Either you're a HOFer or you're not.

    For that matter, Torii Hunter should be in, or at least should be better than 7% vote. Hunter has more hits, more homers, more RBI, more gold gloves, and more silver sluggers than Scott Rolen. The difference, one World Series Championship, is that the benchmark now? If so, Mauer is in trouble. 

    Once the BBWAA enshrined Harold Baines, I lost interest. It's all far too subjective.  

    For our local guy, how in the h-e-double-hockey-sticks is Johan Santana one-and-done on the ballot, yet Mark Freaking Buehrle is not? Or Cliff Lee. (And I'm not even suggesting those guys should be in.)

    It's just such a joke. And these writers have their heads up their rears. Might as well start calling it the Hall of WAR.

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    5 hours ago, DJL44 said:

    If the Hall of Fame doesn't elect Mauer they might just stop electing catchers. That would make for a less interesting museum.

    This is looking true. Look around at the catchers in baseball today. There are some excellent catchers in the game today, but only Realmuto comes even close to matching Mauer. The Hall of Fame voters have to define the differences in their own minds between catching and any other position in the field. Many people have played baseball and some at a high level but unless one has caught a hundred plus games as an adult, it is difficult to explain the measure of physical hardship catching entails. If someone like Joe Mauer cannot be voted into the Hall on the first ballot, then the conversation on how to measure catchers needs to be concluded. Adrian Beltre was a terrific player and I believe a sure Hall of Fame player who should get in next year. One cannot compare on any level a catcher and any other position player.

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    6 hours ago, bap3141 said:

    Once the BBWAA enshrined Harold Baines, I lost interest. It's all far too subjective.  

    For our local guy, how in the h-e-double-hockey-sticks is Johan Santana one-and-done on the ballot, yet Mark Freaking Buehrle is not? Or Cliff Lee. (And I'm not even suggesting those guys should be in.)

    It's just such a joke. And these writers have their heads up their rears. Might as well start calling it the Hall of WAR.

    To be fair, the writers didn't elect Baines, that was the Era Committee - mostly former players and executives.

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