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    Seth Stohs

    As we approach pitchers and catchers reporting for spring training in about two weeks, there are a ton of remaining free agents. The pitchers are understandably getting all of the headlines, but throughout the offseason, there have been a few rumblings about the Twins also looking for a right-handed hitter.

    Today, let’s take a look at which candidates are out there, and which internal options could flit the bill. Should the Twins target a right-handed hitting fourth outfielder type? Should they go after a right-handed designated hitter type to come off of the bench?

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    There were rumors last offseason about the Twins interest in Mike Napoli. The Twins reportedly offered Napoli more money, but he chose to sign with the Texas Rangers, believing that he would have a better opportunity to get to the playoffs.

    Napoli, who could DH and play a little first base, is 36 years old and coming off a season in which he hit just .193/.285/.428 (.713), though he still hit 29 home runs. Could he be an option for the Twins in 2018, and if so, can he be more productive given less playing time?

    Napoli doesn’t need to be the lone right-handed DH. For instance, Jose Bautista remains a free agent. Like Napoli, Bautista is coming off of a disappointing 2017 season with the Blue Jays. He hit .203/.308/.366 (.674) with 23 home runs. Of course, Twins fans know his track record against the Twins, particularly at Target Field. In 62 career games against the Twins, he has hit .302/.393/.699 (1.092) with 17 doubles and 24 home runs. In 25 games at Target Field, he has hit .324/.410/.794 (.1.204) with six doubles and 14 home runs. The 37-year-old has accumulated over $100 million in his long career, but he’d probably be looking at a one-year, $6-8 million deal from someone in hopes of improving on his 2017 season.

    Matt Holliday is another veteran with a ton of experience. He played in 103 games in 2017 for the Yankees, primarily as a DH and pinch hitter. The 38-year-old hit 19 homers and hit .231/.316/.432 (.748). He made $13 million in 2017, but he should be available, like Bautista, for something in the $6-8 million range for one season.

    Another $100 million man, Jayson Werth is coming off of a long-term contract with the Nationals. While he was a very good player from 2007 through 2014. He missed about half of the season in 2015 and 2017, and his OPS has dropped. Could he be convinced to sign and primarily get time as a DH and pinch hitter? He’ll likely get a one year deal in that same $6-8 million range. While he’s not a strong outfielder, he could get some time in the corner outfield positions.

    Those four veteran options certainly have experience. Napoli is known as a very good teammate and leader. Bautista… isn’t. Holliday and Werth are probably somewhere in between.

    While they don’t have the name recognition, the Twins currently have Robbie Grossman and Kennys Vargas available internally.

    Grossman isn’t a great defensive outfielder, though he’s better defensively than the options above. He primarily DHd in 2017 and did well. He traditionally has hit better against left-handed pitching. And, in his first year of arbitration eligibility, he’ll make $2 million (25-40% of what those free agents would cost). And, most likely, while he won’t hit as many home runs, his ability to get on base, play some defense and be accepting of a role on the roster.

    Vargas has struggled mightily with consistency, but he’s also shown an ability to hit the ball really hard and really far. He is a DH who is capable of playing some first base, if not well. But he’s posted OPS of .833 and .758 the last two seasons. He hit 10 homers in 47 games in 2016, and he had 11 homers last year in 78 games a year ago. And, he will cost somewhere around $600,000 in 2018.

    In addition, Zack Granite is fully capable of playing all three outfield positions well, including center field. While he bats left-handed, it’s important to note that he had reverse splits in each of his first four seasons of professional baseball. In 2016 in AA, hit hit .296/.348 versus right-handers and .291/.345 against left-handers. In 2017, he hit .312/.379/.443 (.822) against right-handers and .325/.369/.412 (.781) against left-handers between AAA and the big leagues. In fact, his OPS against southpaws in the big leagues last year was .979. His first MLB home came off of lefty Blaine Hardy of the Tigers.

    In last night’s podcast, Granite said, ““I don’t want to say I focus harder, but I feel like I have to stay in there longer. Honestly, when I face a lefty, I’m always scared that if they open up too soon, they’ll hit me in the head. But I know whenever I face a lefty that I have to stay in there longer. I think it helps me that I don’t try to do too much when I face a lefty. I just try to hit line drives right up the middle or the other way, wherever it’s pitched. I think that helps me because I literally try to be as simple as possible. With lefties, I can keep my game as simple as possible.”

    There are several other free agent outfielders who are still out there. For instance, JD Martinez is still out there. Then again, he turned down (reportedly) a five-year, $100 million deal from the Red Sox, so I don’t think he makes much sense for the Twins. Andre Ethier’s long, huge contract with the Dodgers is finally complete. He’s a free agent, but he’s struggled for years, and he’s left-handed. Carlos Gomez and Carlos Gonzalez are both likely to get $10 million per year or more.

    Two other free agent outfielders may make some sense.34-year-old Chris Young has played about half the time, maybe a little less, for the Red Sox the last couple of years. He’s mostly played left field. After posting an .850 OPS in 76 games in 2016, he posted a .709 OPS in 90 games in 2017. He could be available for about $4 million.

    Cameron Maybin will turn 31 years old shortly after Opening Day. He began last year with the Angels before going to the Astros at the trade deadline and winning a World Series title. He posted an .801 OPS in 2016 in Detroit, but that was way above his career OPS of .693. His value comes from strong defense around the outfield. After making $9 million last year, he should be more in the $5-6 million range in 2018.

    SUMMARY

    So, if the Twins feel they need a DH type, there are several options, the most realistic of which are upper-30s guys coming off of long-term contracts and tough seasons. Are those guys better than Kennys Vargas (who is 27).

    If you want a fourth/fifth outfielder, the decision is whether to add a defensive option like Cameron Maybin who hits right handed, or stand by Zack Granite who has had reverse splits in his career and plays terrific defense at all three outfield positions too.

    And Robbie Grossman can play the corner outfield spots adequately and DH and pinch hit.

    How does it all play together? Is signing a veteran hitter important? Should it be? And, how do we value that veteran-ness over giving guys like Vargas and Granite an opportunity?

    Share your thoughts. In my opinion, I think I’d rather just go with the youth and give a shot to Granite, Grossman and Vargas. You’ll probably get equal production for just $3.25 million. And then spend the money not spent on a bat to a package for Alex Cobb or Lance Lynn (or Yu Darvish, if that works).. What do you think?

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    I really don't see any of these guys as a fit except Carlos Gomez, and he may too expensive. And I don't see any RH batters in either AAA or AA at this point that could work. So I say go with what we have and hope they get it going.

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    NO! nononononono !

     

    an experienced right handed bat would take up at bats.  The future of the Twins is in its youth.  Let the young hitters sort it out amongst them.  Let the kids get all the ABs.   :)

    The trick is to balance letting the young guys mature and capitalizing on a chance at a pennant run. 

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    NO! nononononono !

     

    an experienced right handed bat would take up at bats.  The future of the Twins is in its youth.  Let the young hitters sort it out amongst them.  Let the kids get all the ABs.   :)

     

    When a team competes, it is about the present not the future.  If the kids are good enough to produce at the major league level then they are the present.  If not, the Twins need someone who can.

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    NO! nononononono !

     

    an experienced right handed bat would take up at bats.  The future of the Twins is in its youth.  Let the young hitters sort it out amongst them.  Let the kids get all the ABs.   :)

     

    There are no young alternatives in AA or AAA right now. If there were, I might agree. But, they are all left handed, or they don't exist.

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    Carlos Rodon, Daniel Norris, Danny Duffy, Mathew Boyd are the AL central SP's. Of course every team has a few decent LHP relievers, but the Twins have a very nice lineup vs the AL central SP. With that being said I feel it is important to have flexibility on the bench and injuries. I think Holliday has been a class act and could be a nice player to have, but don't we have to give Vargas a true opportunity? Granite can spell some OF depth, Vargas can probably produce just as well at the plate than all of them for a fraction of a price. I would save some money for deadline opportunities and pitching of any kind. The only person I would think about would be Holliday. P.S. @Twins please sign one of the top 4 FA SP this week!!!

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    There are no young alternatives in AA or AAA right now. If there were, I might agree. But, they are all left handed, or they don't exist.

    Also, while I can understand not wanted to turn Kepler into a platoon guy yet, one of the biggest candidates for a platoon is Mauer. If this team is serious about squeezing every last win this coming season, they should seriously consider finding someone to take 100-150 of Mauer's PAs against lefties. For example, Holliday's worst season against lefties in the past 4 seasons is better than Mauer's best season. Last year, the Twins were 8th highest in total L-on-L PAs (590 total PAs), but were only 18th in wRC+ in that situation. It shouldn't be hard to switch ~200 PAs to better right-handed hitters next season.

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    I'm gonna be petty and say no to Napoli since he turned down more money from us last year to sign with a team that didn't make the playoffs. That's kind of insulting. 

     

    He clearly has bad judgement and we don't need that in the clubhouse.  :)

    I had forgotten that. You're now in charge of the grudge department around here. (I don't want to sign him because I don't think he's any good anymore.)

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    What about Mitch Garver as a RH DH / LF?  I know his 2017 in the pros didn't go as well as one would have hoped, but he does have hot tools.

     

    It would be interesting to see how he does after, say 400 ABs in a combination of C, DH (1B?) 

     

    He could also play some LF and spell Kepler (LF would switch to RF) against LHP.

     

    I tried to find his MiLB splits against L/R, but couldn't.

     

    I do like internal options since I'd rather FA money be spent on pitching.  Besides, I still think the plan is to go for it in '19 rather than '18.

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    I'm gonna be petty and say no to Napoli since he turned down more money from us last year to sign with a team that didn't make the playoffs. That's kind of insulting. 

     

    He clearly has bad judgement and we don't need that in the clubhouse.  :)

    I know (think) you're being sarcastic.

    But honestly, this is a reason reason I want him here.  He doesn't care about the money.  Just cares about hanging banners, baby!

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    What about Mitch Garver as a RH DH / LF?  I know his 2017 in the pros didn't go as well as one would have hoped, but he does have hot tools.

     

    It would be interesting to see how he does after, say 400 ABs in a combination of C, DH (1B?) 

     

    He could also play some LF and spell Kepler (LF would switch to RF) against LHP.

     

    I tried to find his MiLB splits against L/R, but couldn't.

     

    .304/.427/.557 in 2017 in AAA against LHP.

     

    Garver played a grand total of 18 games in the OF and his defense is worse than Grossman's.

     

    If you have one good thing going (OF Defense) why disrupt it.  This team's Achilles is its pitching.  Getting Garver's glove at OF will hurt it more, than getting his bat in the lineup.

     

    I still have PTSD from seeing Doumit "play" the OF.

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    What about Mitch Garver as a RH DH / LF?  I know his 2017 in the pros didn't go as well as one would have hoped, but he does have hot tools.

     

    It would be interesting to see how he does after, say 400 ABs in a combination of C, DH (1B?) 

     

    He could also play some LF and spell Kepler (LF would switch to RF) against LHP.

     

    I tried to find his MiLB splits against L/R, but couldn't.

     

    I do like internal options since I'd rather FA money be spent on pitching.  Besides, I still think the plan is to go for it in '19 rather than '18.

    Outside of a good AAA season in 2017, Garver's minor league career is pretty pedestrian.

     

    He's not going to be an offensive force in MLB, if you ask me.  

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    Why would a veteran DH/1B type player like Napoli even be on the radar? Just because he has some power and hits right-handed is no reason to even go down that road. We have a player that fits that mold already in Sano. Yes, it's a given he's suppose to be the everyday 3B but everything else points to him being a DH/1B. Let's forget the aging washed-up dumpster diving veterans for once. If we are going to add a right-handed bat, get someone really good or forget it. Geeze I'm tired of settling for the old cheap crap!

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    Does anyone think a reunion with Danny Valencia would be worth it? He plays 1st, 3rd, and corner outfield, he mashes left pitching (look at career splits), and could play 3rd of DH to start the year if Sano is suspended. I don't wanna hear he's bad clubhouse guy (when we got Sano on our team) because honestly Danny's consistency as a role player is a better fit for the Twins compared to question marks like Bautista, Napoli, Maybin, Young, and Holiday.

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    I like Grossman overall, as a solid role player. If he could take his weird reverse splits the past 2 seasons and even them out, is like him a lot better. But I just don't see an improvement over him here.

     

    Then there is still the possibility of Vargas. Sano may have to DH some, allowing Escobar to play 3B.

     

    I just don't see a guy or need unless someone is available inexpensively to replace Grossman.

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    I would explore the trade market. Check in on Domingo Santana, Nick Castellanos and Matt Kemp. All poor fielders but right handed hitters with power.  All are available. Don't think the price would be that high.

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    I'd take Vargas over any of the options mentioned (because JD Martinez isn't an option). I like the idea of Todd Frazier, but it's not very realistic.

     

    Does the team really need a RH bat that badly? Buxton, Sano, and Dozier are locked in every day. Polanco, Escobar, Garver, Grossman, and Vargas all can swing from the right side. I'd let Rosario and Mauer ride most nights against lefties. That leaves Kepler and Castro as the only "true lefties," who you need to get out of the lineup every single time a lefty comes up, IMO....and Kepler still may improve his splits and Castro's defense may offset giving up the out in the 8-hole.

     

    Also, the only way to get a young guy like Kepler to turn the corner on his splits is ABs. He's not going to figure it out watching from the bench.

     

    I just don't really see a scenario where anyone good enough to warrant a few ABs in lieu of Kepler's development would accept that role.....or that someone willing to accept that role here would warrant a few ABs. Maybe Chris Young hits that sweet spot?

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    I would explore the trade market. Check in on Domingo Santana, Nick Castellanos and Matt Kemp. All poor fielders but right handed hitters with power. All are available. Don't think the price would be that high.

    Matt Kemp can't hit either. And he is super expensive. They would trade him for anyone

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    Was wondering if MIguel Cabrera was a potential salary dump pick-up for a DH/RH Bat candidate, until I saw he has a minimum 6-years and $184mil remaining on his contract.  OUCH!!!

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    Eduardo Nunez? He can play third when needed

     

    I'd say we sold high on him once, not really looking to bring him back. He's not as good as Escobar in the INF, he really shouldn't play OF, and I have trouble believing he'll hit as well as he did in Boston last year (he had his best hitting season as a pro at age 30, seems like a prime candidate for regression).

     

    If we didn't have Escobar, I'd be interested, but they're similar players who fill a similar niche so I'd rather keep the younger switch-hitter and I don't see room for both on the roster.

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    I would explore the trade market. Check in on Domingo Santana, Nick Castellanos and Matt Kemp. All poor fielders but right handed hitters with power. All are available. Don't think the price would be that high.

    Domingo Santana is a year too late... He broke out last year hitting 30 HRs, .876 OPS, and 3.3 fWAR. The Fangraphs guys are speculating about him being a headliner in a potential Archer trade on their podcast.

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    I don't think the ideal right-handed bat is out there on the free agent market, and I think with the switch-hitters on the roster it isn't a must.   It will be interesting the next few weeks to see if the market develops.   If the 1B/DH market lags I would like to see the Twins try and swoop in on Logan Morrison if they can get him on an affordable deal.   I know he is left-handed, but I'd take him over Vargas in a heartbeat, and if we're talking strictly replacing Vargas as the left-handed side of a DH platoon, then I'd take Lucas Duda or Adam Lind over Vargas too if the price for this type of player stay low.

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    Matt Kemp can't hit either. And he is super expensive. They would trade him for anyone

     

    Yeah, but he does hit LHP well, .921 career OPS, a gnarly .684 last year, but .954 in 2016 and an .821 mark over the past three years including last season's stinker.

     

    The question for me is, what would LAD give up to dump Kemp's salary if they're intent on signing Darvish? What would you want in return to take on about $30M for a part-time platoon player over the next two years? (Through a couple of previous trades, I think about $10M of Kemp's salary is already covered).

     

    I'd love it if the FO got creative and figured out a way to pry Buehler away from LA by both taking on Kemp and sending prospects back to the Dodgers, but it would probably take a significant haul. Maybe not as much of a prospect hit as Archer would require, though, with MN adding so much cash.

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