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    Nick Nelson

    Last week, the Minnesota Twins announced that they would not be activating the contract option for Glen Perkins, making him a free agent. Matt Belisle will soon join him.

    At that point, the Twins will have a total of three major-league saves on their entire roster (one apiece for Trevor Hildenberger, Tyler Duffey and Gabriel Moya). If experience is at all a weighty factor for this team, then we have a pretty clear idea of what they'll be looking for on the relief market.

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    The 2017 Twins season was, in some ways, a banner example of the closer label's fungibility.

    In the past, Minnesota has been guilty of vastly overrating the importance of ninth-inning experience, to its own detriment (*coughMATTCAPPScough*). But this past season, we saw Brandon Kintzler, a veteran with zero career MLB saves prior to overtaking the role midway through 2016, excel as an extremely reliable door-slammer. He converted 28 of 32 saves and made the All-Star team before being traded to Washington.

    Good reliever = fine closer.

    After Kintzler went to the Nationals, Belisle took over in the ninth. The 37-year-old had never in his career served as a regular closer. During the final two months, he converted nine of 11 saves.

    Good reliever = fine closer.

    These instances seem to confirm something most of us already knew: there's nothing supernatural about pitching in the ninth inning. And with this in mind, the urgency of adding a reliever with such experience during the offseason is lowered. The Twins have at least one player who could plausibly open the 2018 season as closer, with others in line to get a shot in the near future.

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    READY NOW?

    Trevor Hildenberger: Hildenberger was fantastic as a rookie in 2017, with his stellar mix of strikeouts and grounders proving extremely reliable. He rose to the occasion time and time again in big spots. He got both righties and lefties out. And he has plenty of experience closing in the minors. But he's also 26 with only 42 innings logged in the big leagues. This, too, is problematic: pigeonholing him in the ninth stops him from being available to Paul Molitor in those key mid-game high-leverage spots where Hildenberger was a godsend this year.

    I'm not sure you can make a strong case for anyone else internally being ready to take on the closer job now. But as soon as mid-season in 2018, several others could emerge as legit options.

    READY SOON?

    Tyler Duffey: The 2017 season was a frustrating one for Duffey, who flashed overpowering stuff at times and posted solid peripherals (3.72 FIP) but could never get into a prolonged groove in terms of results. It's important to remember, though, that he hadn't previously pitched out of the bullpen since 2013 and was in the Twins rotation mix all the way up until the end of spring camp. If he prepares for 2018 as a reliever, and comes back with an extra tick or two on his fastball to complement his power curve, he's certainly got the makings of a closer. He was a dominant one in college at Rice University.

    JT Chargois: Duffey's co-closer at Rice has been on the path to a late-inning role in the majors ever since being drafted, and looks to me like a closer in waiting. He has the pedigree and potency, no doubt. But he lost almost his entire 2017 campaign to an elbow injury, so he'll need to come back and prove himself effective before any kind of high-leverage assignment is on the table.

    Ryan Pressly: It was a weird year for Pressly. You look at so many elements of his game and see the profile of someone who could close. His fastball burns in at 96 with a complementary slider at 90. His 3.2 K/BB ratio, 1.16 WHIP, and 50% grounder rate all signaled a quality bullpen weapon. If he could translate his second-half performance (2.62 ERA, .582 opp OPS) over a full season he'd be a perfectly suitable closer. But he's gotten in his own way too often to be counted on. A sustained run of setup excellence in April and May next year could change the narrative.

    Gabriel Moya: Acquired for John Ryan Murphy in a late-July trade, Moya had a phenomenal season closing at Double-A, saving 24 games with a 0.77 ERA and 0.77 WHIP, plus a 13.4 K/9 rate. The stuff played in his first taste of the majors, producing a 12.4% swinging strike rate (tied with Pressly for highest in pen) and holding opponents to a .206 average, albeit in a small sample of seven appearances. He performed very well against righties. Moya is definitely a sleeper for the gig but won't be in the mix until midseason.

    Tyler Jay: The true sleeper in this discussion. Like Chargois, Jay endured a lost season in 2017, but now he's back in the Arizona Fall League and proving he's healthy. After dealing with shoulder and neck issues again this summer, there were rumblings he'd need thoracic outlet surgery, but has repeatedly tested negative for that condition. Like Chargois, he has the stuff and pedigree; it's just a matter of staying healthy and showing what he can do.

    FINDING A PLUG

    The six players listed above are realistic candidates to be good relievers, and as our earlier arithmetic suggests: Good reliever = fine closer.

    But no matter how much you want to downplay it, there is an added element when it comes to pitching in the ninth. There's unique pressure as a hurler faces the reality that small mistakes can turn a win into a loss very quickly.

    Any team, especially one with an offense like Minnesota's, can bounce back from a bullpen hiccup in the middle innings. When you're at the very end of the game? Not so much. Kintzler and Belisle converting a combined 86% of their save chances is an underrated factor in Minnesota's 2017 success, and the Twins need to try to replicate that efficacy in late lead protection.

    While neither Kintzler nor Belisle had history as a closer, or even a particularly dominant relief pitcher, they did have this arguably essential attribute: lots of experience in the big leagues.

    So if the Twins want to hold off on anointing one of the relatively inexperienced relievers as closer, it would make sense to find at least an interim veteran plug. Ideally, they'd do so without paying the premium for closer experience.

    Who on this year's market could be the next Kintzler? In our upcoming 2018 Offseason Handbook (preorder now!), we lay out the free agent reliever landscape. Wade Davis, of course, sits at the top of the pack, and is really the only bona fide "Proven Closer" in the group. Others like Seung-hwan Oh and Fernando Rodney have the experience but are somewhat shaky bets.

    These are some names that catch my eye as I survey what's going to be out there:

    Brandon Kintzler, RHP: If you're looking for a Brandon Kintzler type, you could always sign... Brandon Kintzler. The Twins will have an opportunity to re-sign the 33-year-old right-hander after sending him to Washington for the final two months of the season. He's familiar and well liked in the clubhouse. But they'd also be buying high on a guy coming off his best MLB season – also a season where his 4.9 K/9 rate ranked third-lowest out of 155 qualified relievers.

    Steve Cishek, RHP: Cishek has a very similar profile to Hildenberger. He's a right-handed sidearmer who gets lots of ground balls and strikeouts. He has been a very consistent performer over the course of his career, with an ERA+ of 109 or above in each of his seven seasons. Though he served exclusively in a setup role for the Mariners and Rays this year, the 31-year-old has plenty of closing experience with 121 saves and an 83% conversion rate in the big leagues. The distinguished track record will make him a pricey commodity.

    Jake McGee, LHP: There are many things to like about McGee. He's a strikeout pitcher with excellent control (four times as many K's as walks in his career). He's a left-hander who shuts down righties. He has experience in the ninth inning (44 saves), as well as in the playoffs (six postseason appearances). He's been durable and fairly reliable. It'd take a sizable multi-year deal to get him, but the 31-year-old could be a great veteran anchor in a young bullpen going forward.

    Luke Gregerson, RHP: Over the course of his career – spent with the Padres, A's and Astros – Gregerson has mostly been a fantastic reliever. But he's coming off his worst season, so it's possible he could be had at a relative discount. In the Offseason Handbook, we suggest Gregerson could be viewed as a "rich man's Belisle." He's got tons of experience (623 MLB appearances) and has a rep as a strong clubhouse guy, but he also has been much better all-around, and gets tons of strikeouts with a heavily deployed slider.

    Koji Uehara, RHP: It's entirely possible that Uehara decides to hang up the cleats. He turns 43 next April, and had the second half of his 2017 season ruined by knee and back issues. But if he wants to give it one more go, he'd be a welcome addition for the Twins on a one-year deal. When healthy, he's as reliable as they come, and was lights-out in the first half this year. He could hold down the closer role until one of the young guys emerges.

    What's your view of the closer situation as we head into the offseason? Are you comfortable with an internal option? Would you aim high for a name like Wade Davis? Or does one of the other free agents listed (or another) make more sense to you?

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    Another thought is to go and find the next Kintzler/Belisle by promising someone who would be unlikely to close games elsewhere that they'll get the chance to on a 1 year deal. Since people still pay for closers, you may get someone who wants a chance to get the big bucks.

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      On 10/23/2017 at 10:18 PM, ThejacKmp said:

    Another thought is to go and find the next Kintzler/Belisle by promising someone who would be unlikely to close games elsewhere that they'll get the chance to on a 1 year deal. Since people still pay for closers, you may get someone who wants a chance to get the big bucks.

    I can't imagine Kintzler or Belisle get big bucks though this year.

     

    I want velocity and I want strikeouts. I want free agents that can offer those things, otherwise I'd rather go with the young guys who can.

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    Maybe there are examples, but it seems like young guys don't often open the season as closers and stay there. That's at least in part because they don't often get the chance, sure, but it seems rough to win the job based on the previous year, demonstrate enough in spring training to hold it, and then get off to a hot start. 

     

    Rather, it seems like a lot of closers earn their way into the job by pitching lights-out and stepping in when the old guy stumbles/gets hurt. So, I like the thought of taking the flyer on the guy with closer experience (like Kintzler or even Rodney). If they keep the job, cool. If not, you've had real-time evaluation of which young guy has the hot hand THIS year. 

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    Do The Twins Need A Proven Closer?

     

    Yes.

     

    Absolutely.

     

    And two setup men that are lights out.

     

    Not soft tossing arms. Not Tonkin and Pressly, Not Kintzler and Belisle. We have to do better to be a team that will win come October. If you just want to get to play in October, they will do, probably. If you want to win in October, not a chance.

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    I like the Brad Hand trade but it will take more than Gordon and a couple of lower prospects. He has two low-cost arb years remaining before he's a FA. Probably take Gordon and one of the very young Twins pitching prospects to get him. I'd make the deal.

     

    McGee, Morrow would be top FA priorities. 

     

    IMO, the Twins will need to trade for either a SP or RP and sign the other as a FA. I can't see the Twins adding $30M+ per year to the payroll for two pitchers via free agency. Especially if both are 31-33 years old to begin their contracts. 

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      On 10/24/2017 at 12:01 AM, nicksaviking said:

    I can't imagine Kintzler or Belisle get big bucks though this year.

    I want velocity and I want strikeouts. I want free agents that can offer those things, otherwise I'd rather go with the young guys who can.

     

    Not big bucks but Kintzler seems likely to get a 2-3 year deal with some nice change behind it (a welcome raise compared to his last experience with free agency). It's hard to think that he could have gotten that without being a closer (which netted him an all-star spot).

     

    Belisle is a little but more up in the air because he's 37 but he'll likely get a guaranteed contract somewhere, which would seem unlikely without the closing experience given his drop in numbers and age. Without that "I can close if you need me to" narrative, he'd be selling himself as a guy on the downslope.

     

    I'm with you on getting someone young with more K potential but even there, the Twins may be able to attract someone looking to bet on themselves for a year by being able to offer a clear path to a closing job. Baseball is changing to value non-closers more but they still give the big money to guys who pitch the 9th. Seems like something the Twins and a free agent could exploit.

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      On 10/23/2017 at 8:32 PM, Platoon said:

    I would not want to stake my playoff chances on a Kintzler level arm. Don't get me wrong, he has value. But if he is the top of the pecking order for our pen, then I can't see the talent level showing much improvement. The best hope is that some of the MiLB guys make the next step. The odds of that are greater than the team spending the kind of money experienced talent would receive.

    I think it’s wrong-headed to believe the closer is the top of the bullpen pecking order in the first place. I hope the front office feels the same way.

     

    Find a good reliever for the ninth but he shouldn’t be the best reliever in the pen.

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      On 10/24/2017 at 12:28 AM, h2oface said:

    Do The Twins Need A Proven Closer?

     

    Yes.

     

    Absolutely.

     

    And two setup men that are lights out.

     

    Not soft tossing arms. Not Tonkin and Pressly, Not Kintzler and Belisle. We have to do better to be a team that will win come October. If you just want to get to play in October, they will do, probably. If you want to win in October, not a chance.

     

    Exactly. I'm not sure how anyone who lived through the Nathan years can think closers don't matter. Nathan made the 8th inning guys look better because opposing teams were trying to force things to happen before Nathan came in, and Rincon/Romero were pretty damn good at times in their own rights....

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    More of the better relievers are coming to be multi-inning relievers.  I want some of them.  We should be able to develop a few, but would like to buy one or two.  

    Twins also need one ace type starter.  This is the year to go get one.

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      On 10/24/2017 at 11:57 PM, Doomtints said:

    Exactly. I'm not sure how anyone who lived through the Nathan years can think closers don't matter. Nathan made the 8th inning guys look better because opposing teams were trying to force things to happen before Nathan came in, and Rincon/Romero were pretty damn good at times in their own rights....

    It's interesting that the post you're replying to delves into what it takes to win in October, and you cite Joe Nathan, who collected 1 save, 1 loss, and 1 blown save in the postseason for the Twins. That in 8.2 innings, while walking 7 batters and allowing 6 runs in that span.

     

    Nathan is one of the best closers of all time, but my God was he brutal in the playoffs.

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      On 10/24/2017 at 10:26 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

    I think it’s wrong-headed to believe the closer is the top of the bullpen pecking order in the first place. I hope the front office feels the same way.

    Find a good reliever for the ninth but he shouldn’t be the best reliever in the pen.

     

    Maybe not, if the guy is a clone of Andrew Miller. 

     

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      On 10/25/2017 at 2:51 AM, Darius said:

    It's interesting that the post you're replying to delves into what it takes to win in October, and you cite Joe Nathan, who collected 1 save, 1 loss, and 1 blown save in the postseason for the Twins. That in 8.2 innings, while walking 7 batters and allowing 6 runs in that span.

    Nathan is one of the best closers of all time, but my God was he brutal in the playoffs.

     

    The Twins likely would have not been in the postseason at all most or all of those years without Nathan.

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      On 10/23/2017 at 8:32 PM, Platoon said:

    I would not want to stake my playoff chances on a Kintzler level arm. Don't get me wrong, he has value. 

    Would you rather have had him pitch or Hildenberger and Busentiz?

     

    And, frankly, our bullpen was fine at the end of the season and did ok against NY. Santana and Berrios gave up all but one run.

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      On 10/25/2017 at 1:30 PM, Doomtints said:

    The Twins likely would have not been in the postseason at all most or all of those years without Nathan.

     

    This discussion is ironic given that Nathan was not a proven closer when we got him.

     

    This team needs relief help, and they need guys who can get the Ks and have the mentality to walk into those pressure situations and shine, but as we saw, guys like Kintzler and Guardado can do that job just fine. I don't have a problem with a guy like Nathan in that role, but right now, we just need more guys like Nathan. The correct words to search for are "shutdown reliever" not "proven closer."

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      On 10/25/2017 at 2:13 PM, diehardtwinsfan said:

    This discussion is ironic given that Nathan was not a proven closer when we got him.

     

    It's not ironic at all given that the discussion is actually "closers are overrated." If the Twins can find a Nathan-in-the-rough on some other team, yeah go get him without hesitation.

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      On 10/25/2017 at 2:39 PM, Doomtints said:

    It's not ironic at all given that the discussion is actually "closers are overrated." If the Twins can find a Nathan-in-the-rough on some other team, yeah go get him without hesitation.

    Closers are overrated.

     

    I think we can all agree that Molitor would be a better manager if he looked a lot more like Terry Francona.

     

    Andrew Miller is not Cleveland's "closer". He's their best bullpen arm. He entered the game in the ninth inning six times in 2017. He had 57 appearances.

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      On 10/25/2017 at 2:54 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

    Closers are overrated.

     

    I think we can all agree that Molitor would be a better manager if he looked a lot more like Terry Francona.

     

    Andrew Miller is not Cleveland's "closer". He's their best bullpen arm. He entered the game in the ninth inning six times in 2017. He had 57 appearances.

    Or we could look at Dave Roberts, manager of the team with the best regular season record. Kenley Jansen is his best reliever. He got into 65 games, and finished 57 of them.

     

    It would be interesting to see what Franconia would have done with Miller if he lost Allen.

     

    I don't think closers are overrated as much as deep and strong bullpens are underrated.

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      On 10/25/2017 at 2:54 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

    Closers are overrated.

     

    I think we can all agree that Molitor would be a better manager if he looked a lot more like Terry Francona.

     

    Andrew Miller is not Cleveland's "closer". He's their best bullpen arm. He entered the game in the ninth inning six times in 2017. He had 57 appearances.

     

    What's the difference between the 2016 Cubs and the 2017 Cubs?

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      On 10/28/2017 at 8:55 PM, jimmer said:

    Cubs still won their division and made in the the NLCS.  Very good year for them.  Losing Fowler was big and a falloff from the pitching staff was an issue for them too.

    Yeah... It's really hard to win 100 games in back-to-back seasons because it requires quite a bit of luck along with a really good roster. The last team to go back-to-back was the 2003-2004 Yankees, I believe. We're nearing 15 years without a back-to-back 100 win team.

     

    It's not like the Cubs collapsed. They won over 90 games.

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      On 10/25/2017 at 1:51 PM, gunnarthor said:

    Would you rather have had him pitch or Hildenberger and Busentiz?

     

    And, frankly, our bullpen was fine at the end of the season and did ok against NY. Santana and Berrios gave up all but one run.

     

    Yep.  Exposed the teams biggest weakness (lack of a top of the rotation caliper starter).  Santana is a good pitcher but not ace caliper and never has been.  Berrios might get there eventually but the jury is still out.

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