Carlos Quentin Among Six Twins Roster Cuts

Agreed.... and obviously..... but I was referring to the "opportunity", or in reality, "non-opportunity" that spring training actually provides for many. Mastroianni surely did well - .407/.484/.481 with a .965 OPS - compared to others that got jobs, that is what I refer to. There was really no job for him to ever be competing for. If Spring Training is for new starts, and from this day forward, none of the past stats matter anyway, right? It is what one can do now and from this day forward. Except that is never really true even though that is the pitch.

He earned the chance to go to AAA and keep his career going.

All the proper moves. It is a little bit fun to see the roster almost set, but have something to chew on for the next week: the final rotation spot and the final couple bullpen spots. They are intertwined, to be sure. And still the biggest question marks to begin the season. (Sigh)

 

Hopefully they honor their word and let him walk if he wants to. "Room for you going forward" could mean a number of things. Im hoping one of them isn't "stuck in Rochester until your opt-out because we might have an injury."

You would hope that they had that conversion before putting the transaction through, anyway. But, you never know with this front office. A few players (some still on the team) have had their share of grievances over the years.

 

In fact, we DO know with this front office. We know that they honor their word. This reputation is clearly why guys like Quentin and Sweeney are willing to trust "gentlemen's agreements" with the club. And it's why guys like Sweeney express gratitude for how the Twins treated him, and why player sentiment in general is favorable towards this organization with very few exceptions, which get brought up ad nauseum with absolutely no attempt at fairness.

Edited March 26, 2016 by birdwatcher

 

Thankful the Quentin experiment is over. Now they can quit wasting at bats on him. He is a total joke anywhere in the field now. Maybe he can get a job starting fights and breaking arms somewhere. Mastroianni must wonder what he has to do to get a job (not that any of the hopefuls really had a shot at making the roster, anyway). Tonkin needs to get a job in Korea or Japan, because he cannot play above AAA ball here. O'Rourke? Too bad not everyone bats left handed for him. The future and the present is the youth. Let's get on with it and stop this tired old vet waiting room gambit. Looking back at some opening day rosters in the last years, it is truly amazing. Why just last year... Jordan Schafer started the year in center field! And for real horror....... check out the 2013 starting rotation!
http://www.twinkietown.com/2015/4/3/8339303/2015-twins-opening-day-roster

 

 

The flaw in your thinking regarding Maestro is that decisions get made on the basis of what happens in a few spring games, and that all the rest of what goes on in camp, the billion things you and I don't see, are meaningless. Maestro likely didn't get the job because the judgment is that others are likely to contribute more to the team. His performance during games probably helped him make a stronger case, but it should be pretty clear to the Twins (and to us, frankly)  that Maestro has certain limitations. They show up every year over the course of a season. Had he made the team, we'd have some grumpy TD'ers I think.

The flaw in your thinking regarding Maestro is that decisions get made on the basis of what happens in a few spring games, and that all the rest of what goes on in camp, the billion things you and I don't see, are meaningless. Maestro likely didn't get the job because the judgment is that others are likely to contribute more to the team. His performance during games probably helped him make a stronger case, but it should be pretty clear to the Twins (and to us, frankly)  that Maestro has certain limitations. They show up every year over the course of a season. Had he made the team, we'd have some grumpy TD'ers I think.

"What would "The Maestro" have had to do to survive camp? 4 spots! He ain't a catcher, or an IF'er, he isn't a big stick, nor is he a utility guy like Santana. And who would really move Arcia to keep him? There are certainly years where there is legitimate competitions for spots in ST. But with the exception of the lower half of the BP, I don't think anyone can seriously think any others existed this year!

In fact, we DO know with this front office. We know that they honor their word. This reputation is clearly why guys like Quentin and Sweeney are willing to trust "gentlemen's agreements" with the club. And it's why guys like Sweeney express gratitude for how the Twins treated him, and why player sentiment in general is favorable towards this organization with very few exceptions, which get brought up ad nauseum with absolutely no attempt at fairness.

I'm not going to disagree with you... but for the most part this is true about every team. The Twins are not special in this regard.

 

I'd love to hear how top free agents feel about this.   Based on the fact that the last time the Twins have signed a top free agent was 25 seasons ago, i'd like to dispute that statement.

 

 

There's no real connection. Other variables are obvious.

 

According to Parker, who was in Terry Ryan's pregame press meeting, Ryan said that they are giving Quentin a couple of days to figure out his options and what he wants to do. He's hoping that Quentin will accept going to AAA, but who knows.

Twins are really good as to how they treat their players!

I know that the Rochester roster is not factored into the Twins active roster decisions, BUT:

If Duffey is cut , Nolasco becomes the 5th starter and some other reliever (Tonkin? or O'Rourke?) sticks,

THEN

Rochester's SIX-MAN rotation is Duffey, Berrios, Rogers, Darnell, Dean and Meyer, NONE of whom should be sent to AA, because they have ALREADY had success at AAA.

Rogers will start in bullpen

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/168647328/twins-option-jr-graham-taylor-rogers

If Quentin makes another team or ends up with the Twins for some reason I could see him getting hot for about a month and then fizzling out for the rest of the season ala Kubel.

Quentin should have a better year than Arcia.

 

Thanks, I overlooked that note.

I guess the Rochester bullpen will be well-stocked with Burdi, Chargois, Graham, Reed, Rogers, Tonkin, Runzler, Kinzler,  Boshers, O'Rourke and Thompson.

Thompson may be released, I would guess. Forgot Strong

That would be 11 to 12 relievers, not counting 5 to 6 starters.  Decisions decisions

"What would "The Maestro" have had to do to survive camp? 4 spots! He ain't a catcher, or an IF'er, he isn't a big stick, nor is he a utility guy like Santana. And who would really move Arcia to keep him? There are certainly years where there is legitimate competitions for spots in ST. But with the exception of the lower half of the BP, I don't think anyone can seriously think any others existed this year!

I think he brings something to the table that Santana and Arcia don't. As was stated earlier Sano is going to be bad defensively and a late inning defender could prove very useful. In addition Buxton is going to need days off (or perhaps even end up at AaA sometime this season). IMO I'd rather have Mastroianni than Santana in that role who is not a good defender and frankly might not hit any better than the Maestro either.

 

The flaw in your thinking regarding Maestro is that decisions get made on the basis of what happens in a few spring games, and that all the rest of what goes on in camp, the billion things you and I don't see, are meaningless. Maestro likely didn't get the job because the judgment is that others are likely to contribute more to the team. His performance during games probably helped him make a stronger case, but it should be pretty clear to the Twins (and to us, frankly)  that Maestro has certain limitations. They show up every year over the course of a season. Had he made the team, we'd have some grumpy TD'ers I think.

 

It seems I am terrible at expressing myself. The flaw? I never said that he should make the team. Not once. Nor did I feel I inferred it. I was empathizing with how I assume he felt. The sentence in the post that you responded to was about the fact that there was no chance for him to make the team, no matter what he did in the short spring training, and that the pitch to the players that there might be, is bogus. I read it back. I can't see how it can be missed, especially with the second post (#31) just after the one you responded to clarifying that.  But I will work on my delivery. So sorry I have confused you, and any others that seemed to think I was saying Mastroianni should have made the team. He was always signed for injury depth.

Edited March 27, 2016 by h2oface

 

It seems I am terrible at expressing myself. The flaw? I never said that he should make the team. Not once. Nor did I feel I inferred it. I was empathizing with how I assume he felt. The sentence in the post that you responded to was about the fact that there was no chance for him to make the team, no matter what he did in the short spring training, and that the pitch to the players that there might be, is bogus. I read it back. I can't see how it can be missed, especially with the second post (#31) just after the one you responded to clarifying that.  But I will work on my delivery. So sorry I have confused you, and any others that seemed to think I was saying Mastroianni should have made the team. He was always signed for injury depth.

You're not terrible at expressing yourself. Your point was clear.

 

"What would "The Maestro" have had to do to survive camp? 4 spots! He ain't a catcher, or an IF'er, he isn't a big stick, nor is he a utility guy like Santana. And who would really move Arcia to keep him? There are certainly years where there is legitimate competitions for spots in ST. But with the exception of the lower half of the BP, I don't think anyone can seriously think any others existed this year!

 

Be the beneficiary of an injury or two.

 

It seems I am terrible at expressing myself. The flaw? I never said that he should make the team. Not once. Nor did I feel I inferred it. I was empathizing with how I assume he felt. The sentence in the post that you responded to was about the fact that there was no chance for him to make the team, no matter what he did in the short spring training, and that the pitch to the players that there might be, is bogus. I read it back. I can't see how it can be missed, especially with the second post (#31) just after the one you responded to clarifying that.  But I will work on my delivery. So sorry I have confused you, and any others that seemed to think I was saying Mastroianni should have made the team. He was always signed for injury depth.

 

I'm sorry, h2oface, I misinterpreted your post. My bad. But also, don't you think guys like Maestro are smart enough to read the tea leaves regarding their chances? Guys like Sweeney, Benson, Quentin, and Maestro have a pretty fair idea that they face an uphill battle to earn a roster spot over Rosario, Sano, Buxton, Arcia, and Santana. They didn't stupidly fall for some disingenuous "pitch" from the Twins, right?

Edited March 27, 2016 by birdwatcher