Did the Twins Give Up Too Early On Akil Baddoo?

Since when is not being on the 40-roster "giving up" on a player?

Since when is not being on the 40-roster "giving up" on a player?

When it means he can be drafted by another team in Rule 5 draft.

When it means he can be drafted by another team in Rule 5 draft.

I disagree, as that means they've given up on the majority of players in their system.

They weighed the pros/cons vs the odds of a rare transaction and maybe lost. They didn't give up on a player. That would be waiving him. They gave up on David Ortiz.

And, from the looks of TD, Baddoo is the new Ortiz  

Personally I love this. And I wish Baddoo great success and a great career. It's too early to guarantee anything but it certainly is a fun story. What I like about Baddoo and celestino is there all around abilities. I prefer them over some of the slugger first pics that we've made and the rank ahead of them.

Whether or not it was the right move or the wrong move, we clearly don't have enough evidence to assess the question with less than a week's worth of at bats.  Sample size is a thing everyone.

Pitchers are going to find weaknesses and exploit them. It's a fun story but he's still probably a 4th outfielder.

If it came down to it, I personally would have preferred Baddoo over Celestino. Had him ranked higher on my prospect list entering last year. And before Baddoo got hurt, I think we all had him higher (on the 2019 TD prospect list Baddoo was No. 10 and Celestino was 16).

 

I also would have taken Baddoo over LaMonte Wade, who was still on the 40-man roster at the time of the Rule 5 Draft. Oh, and there were four empty spots. Oh, and two of the spots were occupied by Ian Gibaut and Brandon Waddell, who were both later outrighted (with Waddell being re-added this week).

 

I do think it more came down to the Twins thinking nobody would take Baddoo/even it he was selected he wouldn't last past Spring Training than the Twins giving up on him. I know I was a bit surprised he was taken after missing all that time.

I am a big fan of Celestino but thank you for the sensible take

I give credit to Detroit - pretty unlikely grab, 22 year old guy coming off TJ, hit .243 in low A, .214 in High A as a 20 year old.

As a 2nd rounder, the Twins probably should have protected him, but again, he must have been high on the Tiger's list in 2016.

Good on them.

It was a series of bizarre decision making. You let Rosario go because you don’t want him blocking the young guys. Instead of adding all the young guys to the 40 man roster and let the cream rise to the top, you expose him only to sign a retread outfielder who’s failed at other organizations to block the kids. In the process you lose a guy with real potential. If you are making the decision between Rosario and Young guys... okay I get that. But management chose the worst of both worlds and now LF is a disaster. Hopefully they learn quick from their mistakes and let the young guys learn

How do you feel about the trade for Delmon Young?

How do you feel about the trade for Delmon Young?

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Good on Baddoo. A fun week/weekend for him and his family. Did the Twins make a mistake? I not buying at this point. But hot is hot. And he is on fire to start.

I know I shouldn't hide my feelings. It's bad for the lombargo. So here's my real take on Baddoo. First, congrats to the kid. Detroit snatched him out from under our noses, and at the moment it looks like the steal of the year. 

Second, I like to say, Ghaaa. Sounds good, but I'm not actually that upset. The Twins have several good OF prospects in their system. Baddoo was considered promising, but a bit injury prone, and not quite ready to take on pro pitching. Kiriloff, Larnach and Rooker are considered better bats, and Celestino is considered a better CF if Buxton goes down again. 

Frankly, if Baddoo pans out better than Broxton, Detroit's scouts deserve praise. He's still a long shot to be a star in the league, but his first couple weeks sure have looked good. I hope he does well, but I'm not upset with the guys the Twins decided to keep on the 40. A certain amount of talent will escape an organization now and then. Good for the players.

It was a series of bizarre decision making. You let Rosario go because you don’t want him blocking the young guys. Instead of adding all the young guys to the 40 man roster and let the cream rise to the top, you expose him only to sign a retread outfielder who’s failed at other organizations to block the kids. In the process you lose a guy with real potential. If you are making the decision between Rosario and Young guys... okay I get that. But management chose the worst of both worlds and now LF is a disaster. Hopefully they learn quick from their mistakes and let the young guys learn

The decision to leave him off the 40 man was perfectly reasonable. He hadn’t played a game in two years, and his minor league track record was a little iffy. So no, I very much disagree this is a case of incompetent management. The front office made an educated guess (which is all roster management is), and so far it has not worked out.

That said, it’s very early. It’s completely possible Baddoo could be back in the Twins system in a month or two. As a baseball fan, I want him to succeed. He’s an easy guy to root for, and I’m always drawn to the underdog. Every FO misses on some guys. I hope Baddoo winds up being one Falvey wishes he had back.

I truly think the twins thought no way someone takes him.

Everyone one saying oh you had open spots in your 40 man. Which is true the problem is if you add a guy in the 40 man roster who isn’t close to the majors you end up burning option years before a guy is major league ready.

Take Celestino for example he used an option year in 2020 now an option in 2021 if he isn’t in opening day roster in 2022 he uses up 3rd option. If he isn’t an established starter in 2024 you can’t send him down if he slumps or is the 4th or 5th outfielder and injuries occur.

If Detroit were to get competitive this season I would guess Baddoo would be offered back to the Twins at some point.  Unfortunately, once he falls below a .250 batting average (which will happen,) Detroit will be out of the hunt so Detroit will switch to: "well, we might as well keep him on our roster."  That being said, there are several guys currently on our 40-man roster who could have been easily swapped out for Baddoo.  This was a whiff by our front office for now....but they have hit more triples than whiffs so far......so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.

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It was a series of bizarre decision making. You let Rosario go because you don’t want him blocking the young guys. Instead of adding all the young guys to the 40 man roster and let the cream rise to the top, you expose Baddoo only to sign a retread outfielder who’s failed at other organizations to block the kids. In the process you lose a guy with real potential. If you are making the decision between Rosario and Young guys... okay I get that. But management chose the worst of both worlds and now LF is a disaster. Hopefully they learn quick from their mistakes and let the young guys learn

I suspect Kirilloff will be coming up soon after the date that gives the Twins an extra year on him, so let’s not assume LF will stay a “disaster” for the rest of the year. Plus, Larnach could ready to come up in the summer.

To add on to what Tom said, I think Baddoo gets protected if we didn’t already have Celestino. Already have a bunch of OFs on the 40 man. If we applied this logic to other similar prospects, Wander Javier and Lewin Diaz would be taking up 40 man spots right now.

It hurts we have been cheated out of perhaps an all-time home run call...

"Its hit well, its deep....its Yaba Da Baddoo!!!"

(thank you Scooby)

Maybe I am Polly Anna but I don't see Baddoo falling off a cliff Offensively,  He has upped his game the last two years he was out.  The Hit he got off Robles nasty slider tells you all you need to know IMO.  Yeah the two HR's came off cream puff fastballs but that is what good players are supposed to do.  I don't think he will stay this hot but I don't see him falling all the way to 4th outfielder status either.

He has the speed to play center and while he is noted to not have a great arm he was able to nab Simmons at second the other day.  He has the speed to steal bases and has always had a good eye at the plate and that will carry him through tough hitting spells.  I don't think he is going to be wished away anytime soon although any thing is possible I guess.  The season is long though and injuries happen.  Players get mentally tired and physically tired he won't stay this hot.

The OP's title doesn't make sense to me though.  The FO never gave up on Baddoo they just didn't think a team would take him and even if a team did they didn't think he would be ready to make the jump. Mainly because I don't think we have seen many if any players in the last 10 to 20 years make the jump from A ball to the majors.  The risk of losing him appeared slim and the right play 90% of the time IMO.

As others have noted the 40 man needs to be primarily planned for winning regular season games and yet there needs to be some room to protect good players that might be lost to Rule V.  The better your team is the more you would like those 40 man spots to help with regular season depth.  Also options can be a factor when you add a player too soon.  The Twins didn't want to clog their 40 man with a young player that hadn't played organized baseball in two years and wasn't likely to contribute to the team this year.  While that assumption appears wrong in hindsight given the odds it made sense.

Despite all the things I said above we need to remember the Twins two highest rated players are outfielder's that are just about ready to make the jump in Kirilloff and Larnach.  They added Celestino early so that he wouldn't get taken in Rule V and they have Wallner on the way and possibly Soularie as well as a host of ubber young international prospects with solid potential in Urbina, Diaz, Rodrigguez etc a little further down the pipeline but not too far off.  So if they were going to lose an outfielder it was not like the cupboard was going to be bare.

As others have said it is way to early to draw any solid conclusions about Baddoo and how his year will go.  he is off to a great start but their will be bumps in the road.  IMO he has the tools he needs to get over those and be successful but we will have to wait and see.  

While I hate to say this I think he is lucky he got taken by the Tigers in rule V and I think rule V worked as intended in this situation.  If he stayed with the Twins he would have had to battle Kirilloff, Larnach, and Celestino for Spots for sure and possibly Rooker, Wallner and Soularie as well with the other young guys chasing him.  In Detroit he doesn't have near that level of competition and can likely stick on an MLB team.  In the end maybe he will be better than all of those players it is hard to say at this point but I still don't think you can fault the FO for trying to do what was best in the present versus an uncertain future.  Hindsight is 20/20 but the FO doesn't get that luxury sometimes even when the odds are in your favor you still lose.

The only correct answer is it's too early to tell........

A week into the season, yup, was a mistake. But isn't hindsight always 20/20?

Looking back when the decision was made, didn't have a problem and like many was surprised when he was selected. Wonder if all the former Twins guys in the Detroit organization may have had some insight into what he could become.

Now, lets get concerned by the Twins getting a W today, fixing that bloody extra inning runner on second rule and getting Twins baseball back on the tv services many of us have.