Chris Parmelee trade value?

[cmathewson]

It is comical to compare Morneau and Cuddyer with Parmelee. The first two were consensus top 10 prospects in baseball at one point. I don't think Parmelee ever cracked the top 100.

 

His upside has always been limited by his slow bat, which will only slow down over time. As pitchers learn that he can't hit the high cheese, he will get a steady diet of it. In fact, he already has. In his first taste in the majors, they pitched to his strengths. Now, they pitch to his weaknesses. He's had over 550 PAs to adjust and he hasn't done it. He was sent down last year to work on making that adjustment (lay off the high cheese). He never did. Oh well. Arcia is the guy now.

[Guest USAFChief]

Should the Twins have said the same thing about Morneau in his second full season at 239/304/437? They gave him 543 plate appearances. He did nothing to earn his consistent regular opportunity that year. The Twins invested in his upside and received the pay off.

Morneau had also had a .271/.340/.536 line in 312 PAs the season before, and as mentioned above was a much more highly thought of prospect than Parmelee. Morneau's career minor league OPS was over .900 in 2100+ PAs, a hundred points higher than Parmelee.

[Dman]

It is a tough call. When do you give up on a player? It seems lots of people on here were upset with the Twins for giving up on the former Twins who were All Stars this year. Not saying Parmelee will ever be an All Star but patience is a virtue for a reason as it can pay off big time. Personally I am not a believer in Parms but I do think he deserves one last shot with us before we declare him a Joe Benson.

[diehardtwinsfan]

It is a tough call. When do you give up on a player? It seems lots of people on here were upset with the Twins for giving up on the former Twins who were All Stars this year. Not saying Parmelee will ever be an All Star but patience is a virtue for a reason as it can pay off big time. Personally I am not a believer in Parms but I do think he deserves one last shot with us before we declare him a Joe Benson.

 

I'll add to this... There was a massive uproar over losing Benson this year, and Parmelee is far more likely to succeed. I'm with Levi on this. I'm not sure Parm or Plouffe will amount to much, but both of have shown flashes of something that could make them above average regulars. I think the Twins have to give them every opportunity to succeed, especially in what will likely be another lost season.

[johnnydakota]

Well, has shown that he can hit MLB pitching... The problem is that it's so infrequently that it's increasingly difficult to believe he will ever be an adequate MLB hitter overall.

 

The Twins should have collected enough information about Parmelee last season to make a decision. It was foolish to send him to Rochester and not play him everyday so we wouldn't have to go through this routine for the third consecutive season. Isn't that the point of a lost season? If you're not going to win, at least use the time to figure out who should be on the roster when you CAN win.

 

Yes the Twins screwed the pooch on Parm and Colabello last season , instead of finding out what they had in a lost year , they were misused and now we once again wonder what if....

In Parmelee we can look back at his numbers in the minors and see he has never hit for high average conssistantly or has never hit 18 homers in 1 season,and at his age will probally not develope any more power, I see him topping out at .270 and 15 homers per season

[stringer bell]

I think the evaluation period for the two players hasn't or shouldn't have been the same. Parmelee is in his mid-20s and can capably defend at two positions. Colabello is 30 and might be passable at first base (a position now manned by Joe Mauer). Any platoon would favor the left handed hitter.

[beckmt]

Last season Pinto, Pressly, Gibson, Arcia, Hicks, Tonkin, Thielbar, and Presley all debuted at Target Field and appear to have roles in the future. I'm really not all that concerned about how the battle shapes up between Parmelee and Colabello for the 25th spot.

I think Parmelee's competition for a roster spot is Kubel not Colabello. Colabello will probably not make the club, and if he does, it will be as a right handed platoon player and to give Mauer an occasional day off against the super tough lefty. That will end when Sano comes up and Plouffe fills that role. Parmelee will make the club if he can beat out Kubel, otherwise his days here will be over.

[cmathewson]

I think Parmelee's competition for a roster spot is Kubel not Colabello. Colabello will probably not make the club, and if he does, it will be as a right handed platoon player and to give Mauer an occasional day off against the super tough lefty. That will end when Sano comes up and Plouffe fills that role. Parmelee will make the club if he can beat out Kubel, otherwise his days here will be over.

 

I agree. If Kubel is anywhere near what he was two seasons ago, he will win the DH job. 12 pitchers, 13 position players. Here's is my starting 9, as of now:

 

Presley (unless Hicks beats him out) 8

Dozier 4

Mauer 3

Willingham 7

Kubel 10

Plouffe 5

Arcia 9

Pinto 2

Florimon 6

 

Backup C: Suzuki

Util: The winner of Escobar/Bartlett

Fourth Outfielder: The winner of Maestro/Ramirez

25th man: ????

 

So who are the options for the 25th man? It all depends on how they all play in Spring Training. As you say, Colabello has an edge since he's the only right handed power bat on the 40-man roster. The options to use a left-handed bench bat will be limited.

 

Parmelee is a good kid and I wish him well. But he was not a good draft choice. If he doesn't make the team and needs to be taken off the roster, no one should hang their heads. The Twins did everything they could to get him ready. He just didn't have the fast twitchy muscles to generate bat speed, which is one of those things built into the fiber of your DNA.

[oldguy10]

What other MLB team outside of Houston would even consider Colabello for a roster spot, a ridiculous option to the max. Unless, of course, the franchise is shooting for the neighborhood of ninety losses one more time.

[old nurse]

At this point Parmelee has all the trade value that Restovich had when he left the Twins.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I think the evaluation period for the two players hasn't or shouldn't have been the same. Parmelee is in his mid-20s and can capably defend at two positions. Colabello is 30 and might be passable at first base (a position now manned by Joe Mauer). Any platoon would favor the left handed hitter.

 

Yep. Parmelee should have been playing last season. Colabello is a non-issue. He's a 24-25 roster guy at his peak. He's a great story but too old to invest much time or money.

[jay]

What other MLB team outside of Houston would even consider Colabello for a roster spot, a ridiculous option to the max. Unless, of course, the franchise is shooting for the neighborhood of ninety losses one more time.

 

Something like 13 of your last 14 posts have been full-on bashing a few specific players. I think we get it.

[stringer bell]

I agree. If Kubel is anywhere near what he was two seasons ago, he will win the DH job. 12 pitchers, 13 position players. Here's is my starting 9, as of now:

 

Presley (unless Hicks beats him out) 8

Dozier 4

Mauer 3

Willingham 7

Kubel 10

Plouffe 5

Arcia 9

Pinto 2

Florimon 6

 

Backup C: Suzuki

Util: The winner of Escobar/Bartlett

Fourth Outfielder: The winner of Maestro/Ramirez

25th man: ????

 

So who are the options for the 25th man? It all depends on how they all play in Spring Training. As you say, Colabello has an edge since he's the only right handed power bat on the 40-man roster. The options to use a left-handed bench bat will be limited.

 

Parmelee is a good kid and I wish him well. But he was not a good draft choice. If he doesn't make the team and needs to be taken off the roster, no one should hang their heads. The Twins did everything they could to get him ready. He just didn't have the fast twitchy muscles to generate bat speed, which is one of those things built into the fiber of your DNA.

I think Parm gets the 25th spot, but I think I do agree with you about the limits to his ability because he hasn't been able to hit the high fastball. I wonder if somebody like the Brewers might take a flyer on him (they need a 1B and Parm has some positional flexibility).

[beckmt]

Unless Parm learns to hit the high fastball, he would be worse in the national league than the American. They throw a lot more high fastballs in the National league.(more power pitchers)

[oldguy10]

jay: I have been hyper critical of certain players and I'll try to cease and desist in the future. My main point with all of that is trying to get good discussion on really worthwhile players and not marginal ones. I see no point in discussing non entities who may be on the roster in 2014 but will be nowhere near it when the next wave of really potentially excellent players land on the roster. While we are all hoping for a decent 2014 season for the team as a whole we all know that the really good teams hopefully will start surfacing in 2015 and beyond.

[jay]

It's not that your points aren't valid to at least some extent. The whole roster isn't going to be All-Stars on any team and I'm not quite as ready to give up on a few of them, but I fully get where you're coming from. Here's to a decent '14 and a lot more fun in the near future.

[johnnydakota]

Yep. Parmelee should have been playing last season. Colabello is a non-issue. He's a 24-25 roster guy at his peak. He's a great story but too old to invest much time or money.

 

Isint he the same age or younger the Joe Mauer? Didnt the Reds think Frank Robinson was to old at 30 when thry traded him to Baltimore? And finally doesnt Chris Colabello have much better minor leaque stats the Parmelee?

[johnnydakota]

jay: I have been hyper critical of certain players and I'll try to cease and desist in the future. My main point with all of that is trying to get good discussion on really worthwhile players and not marginal ones. I see no point in discussing non entities who may be on the roster in 2014 but will be nowhere near it when the next wave of really potentially excellent players land on the roster. While we are all hoping for a decent 2014 season for the team as a whole we all know that the really good teams hopefully will start surfacing in 2015 and beyond.

 

So we are limited to talkin about Mauer,Perkins and Nolasco? =)