MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo released updated prospect list

[diehardtwinsfan]

Are you sure about that? I don't think September call ups use an option but I am not positive. I tried to do some searching but my google-fu is poor, I think I need invest some skill points during my next level up, but was only able to find this anything-but-official page clarifying:

 

Pirates Prospects » Previewing the September Call-Ups

 

Not for being called up in September. They lose an option if they put him on the 40 man this year and then send him to the minors next year. He doesn't need to go on the 40 man until after next season, so the only way he gets put on the 40 man prior to that is if the Twins have no intention of sending him back down at all during 2014 or what's left of that season.

[diehardtwinsfan]

People were saying this last year with Buxton when doing their own personal top Twins lists. Players taken in the top 5 picks have a 88% chance to make it to the bigs and a 34% chance to have an impact. While Stewart could be in the 12% that dont, odds are against it. You just don't find many guys with his tools.

 

I wasn't talking about Stewart in particular. It was more Eades and Turner in relation to where Mayo ranked them. I tend to agree with the high ranking on Stewart and would have him in the top 5 somewhere (though I still place emphasis on actual results).

[nicksaviking]

Eades is a damn good prospect and according to Christopher Crawford could be one of the first SPs to the bigs.

 

Maybe, but considering he was immediately placed in a short season league I'm doubtful. Only four other college age pitchers chosen in the first two rounds have taken the mound as a pro but are not currently in Low A or higher.

[TRex]

Not for being called up in September. They lose an option if they put him on the 40 man this year and then send him to the minors next year. He doesn't need to go on the 40 man until after next season, so the only way he gets put on the 40 man prior to that is if the Twins have no intention of sending him back down at all during 2014 or what's left of that season.

 

I don't quite get the discussion of Sano and options... do we really think that we will be wringing our hands in April 2017 because Sano is out of options and he will have to make the team or be lost to waivers? That sounds very unlikely, but that is what it would take if his options were used in 2014, 2015 and 2016!

[nicksaviking]

I don't quite get the discussion of Sano and options... do we really think that we will be wringing our hands in April 2017 because Sano is out of options and he will have to make the team or be lost to waivers? That sounds very unlikely, but that is what it would take if his options were used in 2014, 2015 and 2016!

 

Agree. If Sano's options become an issue, something went horribly wrong. Service time? Well sure, that's going to be a concern, but if he turns into the next Brandon Wood, the options will be the least of the problem.

[jay]

Frankly, most (someone else can figure it out) big leaguers were drafted in the first three rounds of the draft, top 100 pick types. So, there's probably some certainty in a list like that. International is always kind of a question mark.

 

This certainly holds true and I don't mind Stewart's placement or Buxton's last year for true, top-end picks. However, that doesn't jive with why a guy like AB Walker or even a few of the other guys knocking get less love than a 3rd round pick this year. Some of that "new girl" effect seems to hold true, at least in my eyes.

[drjim]

Agree. If Sano's options become an issue, something went horribly wrong. Service time? Well sure, that's going to be a concern, but if he turns into the next Brandon Wood, the options will be the least of the problem.

 

The only concern is the 40 man roster crunch in the offseason as prospects/free agents are potentially added, but that is minor at best.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I don't quite get the discussion of Sano and options... do we really think that we will be wringing our hands in April 2017 because Sano is out of options and he will have to make the team or be lost to waivers? That sounds very unlikely, but that is what it would take if his options were used in 2014, 2015 and 2016!

 

That doesn't excuse poor business decisions. He could have a season ending injury in AAA 2014 and spend 2015 rehabbing it and struggle in his first taste of the bigs in 2016 in the middle of a pennant race, kind of like some guy named Jason Kubel did. Things happen, and while the odds are low, that doesn't excuse poor management.

 

My point is that there is absolutely zero reason to put him on the 40 man this year. He isn't destroying AA and he's not likely going to open next season in MN. As such, he'll get added next year when there's a spot for him that will remain for the duration of the season, but not until then.

[Oxtung]

That doesn't excuse poor business decisions. He could have a season ending injury in AAA 2014 and spend 2015 rehabbing it and struggle in his first taste of the bigs in 2016 in the middle of a pennant race, kind of like some guy named Jason Kubel did. Things happen, and while the odds are low, that doesn't excuse poor management.

 

My point is that there is absolutely zero reason to put him on the 40 man this year. He isn't destroying AA and he's not likely going to open next season in MN. As such, he'll get added next year when there's a spot for him that will remain for the duration of the season, but not until then.

 

2014 would still be an option year either way. The only way it matters is if, as you mention, he gets hurt and misses significant time or if the Twins don't plan on him making the majors until September 2014. IMO both are unlikely and a September call up this year, assuming he picks up the pace at AA, is within the realm of possibility and certainly wouldn't be irresponsible.

[diehardtwinsfan]

2014 would still be an option year either way. The only way it matters is if, as you mention, he gets hurt and misses significant time or if the Twins don't plan on him making the majors until September 2014. IMO both are unlikely and a September call up this year, assuming he picks up the pace at AA, is within the realm of possibility and certainly wouldn't be irresponsible.

 

2014 is only an option year if he gets put on the 40 man this year, and he returns to the minors next year. An option is not burned if he's put on it next year and never goes back to the minors.

 

But that said, he doesn't need to go on the 40 man this year, and he's only in AA. He will get put on the 40 man next year sometime, whether that be in September (for Sept call ups) or June because he forced the issue with his play in Rochester. That said, when he's added, he will stay with the club for the remainder of the season or they risk losing an option. Players only get 3 options, wasting one when you don't need to simply to give a guy a look isn't a smart business move.

[TRex]

Seriously, you are really that worried about Sano using up all of his options? I realize you can find scenarios where using an option in 2014 would be deleterious, but Sano could also get glaucoma tomorrow and go blind... or be hit by a bus (or a pitch in the head)!

[diehardtwinsfan]

Seriously, you are really that worried about Sano using up all of his options? I realize you can find scenarios where using an option in 2014 would be deleterious, but Sano could also get glaucoma tomorrow and go blind... or be hit by a bus (or a pitch in the head)!

 

Worried? No, but he's not ready now. So need to burn one unnecessarily.

[Oxtung]

2014 is only an option year if he gets put on the 40 man this year, and he returns to the minors next year. An option is not burned if he's put on it next year and never goes back to the minors.

 

But that said, he doesn't need to go on the 40 man this year, and he's only in AA. He will get put on the 40 man next year sometime, whether that be in September (for Sept call ups) or June because he forced the issue with his play in Rochester. That said, when he's added, he will stay with the club for the remainder of the season or they risk losing an option. Players only get 3 options, wasting one when you don't need to simply to give a guy a look isn't a smart business move.

 

If he isn't going back down once he comes up then what does it matter if he burns an option year in 2014? There are no bonus points for players with options left at the end of their career. I think it is more likely that Sano gets called up at some point in 2014, plays poorly and is sent back to AAA for a time burning an option year anyway. The jump from AAA to the majors is a large one for both elite and not elite prospects. Arcia has been sent down, Hicks should have been sent down if there was anyone to man CF and Gibson looks like he will need to be depending on how his innings limit turns out.

[Mr. Brooks]

I agree with diehard, as much as I would love to get a look at Sano in Sept., that is just my own selfishness for wanting a reason to turn the Twins games on these days.

Sept. callups are usually reserved for guys ALREADY on the 40 man. It's pretty rare to see a team add a prospect to the 40 man roster, for the SOLE purpose of giving him a Sept. call up, in fact I'm not sure I can recall the Twins ever doing so.

Really, there is no logical reason to bring him up in September.

Any "look" you get at him is not going to give you any kind of accurate depiction of his future. (See Parmelee, Chris) Playing in Sept. on an awful team is a bit like spring training. It doesn't tell you a whole lot. You are playing a bunch of meaningless games, against many other Sept. call ups, and rookies (some prospects, some AAAA scrubs) who are filling in for vets who've been traded.