Kyle Gibson, Andrew Albers and consistency

[jay]

"Don't know exactly what the plan is?" Yes

"Vague?" Not so much

 

I've read the articles and unless my eyes are lying to me (again), I see a lot of "expects" and "expected". Let's maybe take a closer look at this quote you provided...

 

"I think we'll probably ease it in as we go into April and May, then hopefully have him available for how we want to use him in June, July and August," GM Terry Ryan said. "We've got to monitor him closely."

Source: 1500 ESPN Twin Cities

 

 

Today is JUNE 18TH!

[jokin]

 

Ideally this team would have let him take his lumps at the MLB level this year as opposed to when he's 26, an age when he should be entering the prime of his career. It almost seems like the Twins think he can take his lumps at Rochester and thus he automatically won't have any when he reaches the majors.

 

Plus, if the TD posters who either blindly back the front office or "don't care" because it "doesn't matter", would argue that we aren't going to be competitive until 2015, no wait, 2016, so, "there's no rush, look at how well the Deduno Timeline has worked out, let's EASE Gibson in at age 28. We simply first HAVE to see what we have in Walters, Hernandez, Hendriks, Hermsen, Albers, Vasquez......"

[jokin]

I've read the articles and unless my eyes are lying to me (again), I see a lot of "expects" and "expected". Let's maybe take a closer look at this quote you provided...

 

 

 

Today is JUNE 18TH!

 

You say "vague", I see specific numbers being specifically attributed to the GM as the source.

 

You say "what is the plan?" I say, "what is the plan?"

RE: the second quote of mine that you question goes back to cause. Since Ryan said the Medlen option was on the table, what do you see in their alleged "plan" that has included "easing Gibson in as we go in to April and May"? He's pitched multiple complete games in Roc. and has pretty much used up 60% of his available innings during his "ease up" period, they aren't exactly following through with the "having him available" for very much time in June, July and August, now, are they Jay?

[nicksaviking]

I've read the articles and unless my eyes are lying to me (again), I see a lot of "expects" and "expected". Let's maybe take a closer look at this quote you provided...

 

 

 

Today is JUNE 18TH!

 

Right, but you clearly didn't read the preceeding paragraph. The June, July, August time table was in referrence to the possibility of Gibson pitching out of the pen early in the year ala Kris Medlen. That did not happen. This idea was scrapped early it seems. If you want to take this report as gospel because of of the June, July, August deadline, I fail to see how you missed the part about getting "the 25-year-old right-hander to get to the big leagues as soon as possible."

 

 

It was reported earlier this offseason that the Twins plan to limit Gibson to between 130-140 innings as he works his way back from Tommy John surgery, so the move would allow the 25-year-old right-hander to get to the big leagues as soon as possible. Twins GM Terry Ryan indicated that they may use Gibson similar to how the Braves used Kris Medlen last season, where he began the year in the bullpen, and then transitioned to the rotation after the all-star break.

 

"I think we'll probably ease it in as we go into April and May, then hopefully have him available for how we want to use him in June, July and August," GM Terry Ryan said. "We've got to monitor him closely."

 

I've said it before but I don't think this orgainzation has a solid gameplan. It seems like they are just winging it.

[Shane Wahl]

How on earth would it not be beneficial for everyone for Gibson to pitch this year with the Twins? It probably would even be beneficial for Pelfrey and Diamond if they got some DL time to get it together.

 

And Albers would be up in part to see if he can deal with big-league pitching and next year take over for Swarzak since he'll be 1/2 or less the cost and also could provide for situational appearances in the 6th inning (like when Kevin Correia starts faltering every game in the 6th inning next year and Prince comes to the plate).

[Boom Boom]

Despite the comments from TR about consistency, it's fairly obvious that Gibson's performance is not the reason he's still in AAA.

[cmathewson]

Both Ryan and Antony have said that when they call him up, they want it to be for good. I had assumed that meant they did not want to send him down again. Since there's little chance of that (he is the best pitcher the Twins have), perhaps they mean they don't want to call him up for a couple of starts only to shut him down for the year. Perhaps they just want him to pitch out his innings in AAA this year and have a fresh start in the majors next year.

[jokin]

Both Ryan and Antony have said that when they call him up, they want it to be for good. I had assumed that meant they did not want to send him down again. Since there's little chance of that (he is the best pitcher the Twins have), perhaps they mean they don't want to call him up for a couple of starts only to shut him down for the year. Perhaps they just want him to pitch out his innings in AAA this year and have a fresh start in the majors next year.

 

Which, if true, directly contradicts what was said by TR in the spring about "easing" up on Gibson in April and May and looking for ways to fit him in their major league plans in "June, July and August." That last line about August is pretty indicative that they were intent on shutting him down early for the year from the get-go.

 

At this point, if your "fresh start" scenario plays out, I would think that Gibson's agent will have been provided grounds for filing a grievance.

[IdahoPilgrim]

"Don't know exactly what the plan is?" Yes

"Vague?" Not so much

 

 

Earlier this offseason, GM Terry Ryan said he expects Gibson to be limited to 140 innings in 2013.

Source: ESPN 1500 Twin Cities

 

 

It was reported earlier this offseason that the Twins plan to limit Gibson to between 130-140 innings as he works his way back from Tommy John surgery, so the move would allow the 25-year-old right-hander to get to the big leagues as soon as possible. Twins GM Terry Ryan indicated that they may use Gibson similar to how the Braves used Kris Medlen last season, where he began the year in the bullpen, and then transitioned to the rotation after the all-star break.

 

 

Source: 1500 ESPN Twin Cities

 

"I think we'll probably ease it in as we go into April and May, then hopefully have him available for how we want to use him in June, July and August," GM Terry Ryan said. "We've got to monitor him closely."

Source: 1500 ESPN Twin Cities

 

Baseball America's Jim Shonerd says Kyle Gibson could be an option for the Twins if he continues to string together a few more dominant starts at Triple-A Rochester.

 

The Twins are usually on the conservative end of promotions, but Gibson would provide an immediate upgrade to a starting rotation that currently lacks any viable starters. In six Triple-A starts, Gibson has a 4.26 ERA with a 7.7 SO/9 and 1.29 WHIP. After missing most of 2012 due to Tommy John surgery, Gibson is expected to be on a 130-140 innings limit this season.

 

 

Source: Baseball America

May 4 - 8:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first two are secondhand quotes; the last two aren't quotes at all - just repeating conventional wisdom.

 

I still haven't seen anything from a Twins staffer saying right out that there is a set limit that is fixed and won't be exceeded, like Strasburg last year.

 

There may indeed be a ballpark/target figure, but that's different than having a hard limit.

[Riverbrian]

Dylan Bundy, Manny Machado and Kevin Gausman got thrust into the major leagues. Machado's and Gausman's minor league numbers ranged from mediocre to crappy and Bundy was good, not great, and he was only 19, but they were "rewarded" because they were the best options in making their organization better for the long-term.

 

For all the ridiculous rationalizations I've seen written about this topic in this thread, it's a fairly safe bet that Kyle Gibson would be a solid contributor in the Orioles rotation right now, as in today. And at age 26, look around the league, he'd at least have been given the chance to be a contributor for at least half of the teams, contenders and non-contenders alike.

 

I want to be clear that I'm not arguing against a Gibson Call Up... I'm dying to see him pitch and I have high hopes for him. I like shiny new toys like everyone else.

 

However, as for your examples...

 

Gausman has a 7.66 ERA in 24.2 Innings thus Far in Baltimore... He's a Tide Now.

 

Walters has produced a 3.23 ERA in 30 innings thus far.

 

Now... I personally would take Gausman over Walters for the long term.

 

Now... If I want to win a game tomorrow... I'm going with Walters because he has been pitching decently in the majors right now while Gausman hasn't.

 

Dylan Bundy has thrown 1.2 innings in the majors. He's the top prospect in baseball. I don't see how he applies.

 

Machado has been great... Ian Stewart for example was a black hole.

 

But let's forget about Ian Stewart... if you want to talk about Orioles only... Let's broaden the Orioles conversation to include... Zach Britton, Mike Matusz, and Jake Arrieta. These guys got cups of coffee in the big leagues... These guys were all highly ranked prospects (higher ranked than Gibson) that didn't walk in the door and hang zero's and they still haven't really hung zero's.

 

Only Chris Tillman has finally started to show something and that started last year after 3 years of 5 plus ERA's. Tillman currently has a 3.61 ERA and that is higher than what PJ has produced this year.

 

Meanwhile the Orioles along with Tillman are throwing a rotation of:

 

Jason Hammel... Failed Colorado starter who at age 29 out of nowhere IMPROVED to a 3.43 in 2012...

 

Miguel Gonzalez... He was PJ Walters last year... Finally got a starting job at Age 28 last year and pitched decently enough to get a starting rotation job... Again... at age 28.

 

Freddy Garcia... AGE 92... And here comes the 4th Attempt at Zach Britton to round the rotation out.

 

To me it looks like the Orioles would grab Walters and his 3.23 the very second he hits the waiver wire because we had to release him and his 3.23 to make room for Gibson and the Orioles will grab him so they don't have to throw Gausman and Bundy out of necessity.

 

To me the Orioles are a prime example of using players like Walters not an example of handing out cups of coffee successfully but that's just how I see it.

 

Again... I want to be clear that I'm not against a Gibson call up... But... I won't bet against Gibson and I won't bet on him but I will sit back comfortably and watch you make the safe bet that Gibson could be a solid contributor right now.

[jm3319]

Maybe the Twins should just keep Gibson and every other prospect in the minors until 2015. Send Hicks and Arcia back down. That way we can go with an All-Rookie Team in 2015 and just hope for the best since obviously they are all going to capable MLB players and there won't be a transitional period at all. No sense using time between now and then to see what they are actually capable of.

[jokin]

I want to be clear that I'm not arguing against a Gibson Call Up... I'm dying to see him pitch and I have high hopes for him. I like shiny new toys like everyone else.

 

However, as for your examples...

 

Gausman has a 7.66 ERA in 24.2 Innings thus Far in Baltimore... He's a Tide Now.

 

Walters has produced a 3.23 ERA in 30 innings thus far.

 

Now... I personally would take Gausman over Walters for the long term.

 

Now... If I want to win a game tomorrow... I'm going with Walters because he has been pitching decently in the majors right now while Gausman hasn't.

 

Dylan Bundy has thrown 1.2 innings in the majors. He's the top prospect in baseball. I don't see how he applies.

 

Machado has been great... Ian Stewart for example was a black hole.

 

But let's forget about Ian Stewart... if you want to talk about Orioles only... Let's broaden the Orioles conversation to include... Zach Britton, Mike Matusz, and Jake Arrieta. These guys got cups of coffee in the big leagues... These guys were all highly ranked prospects (higher ranked than Gibson) that didn't walk in the door and hang zero's and they still haven't really hung zero's.

 

Only Chris Tillman has finally started to show something and that started last year after 3 years of 5 plus ERA's. Tillman currently has a 3.61 ERA and that is higher than what PJ has produced this year.

 

Meanwhile the Orioles along with Tillman are throwing a rotation of:

 

Jason Hammel... Failed Colorado starter who at age 29 out of nowhere IMPROVED to a 3.43 in 2012...

 

Miguel Gonzalez... He was PJ Walters last year... Finally got a starting job at Age 28 last year and pitched decently enough to get a starting rotation job... Again... at age 28.

 

Freddy Garcia... AGE 92... And here comes the 4th Attempt at Zach Britton to round the rotation out.

 

To me it looks like the Orioles would grab Walters and his 3.23 the very second he hits the waiver wire because we had to release him and his 3.23 to make room for Gibson and the Orioles will grab him so they don't have to throw Gausman and Bundy out of necessity.

 

To me the Orioles are a prime example of using players like Walters not an example of handing out cups of coffee successfully but that's just how I see it.

 

Again... I want to be clear that I'm not against a Gibson call up... But... I won't bet against Gibson and I won't bet on him but I will sit back comfortably and watch you make the safe bet that Gibson could be a solid contributor right now.

 

The examples you cited were why the Orioles were willing to push the younger guys through. You see, they want to objectively determine what they have- at the major league level- with Bundy, Gausman, et al. They are sick of having to trot out Hammel, Britton and Garcia if they find out--- by using actual major league results-- that they don't have to do so. And that's the point. The Orioles are quick to find out just where their truly quality prospect players are at relative to making a solid and CONSISTENT contribution at the major league level.

 

RB, you're much better than your last throwaway paragraph. If Gausman has been given the rope that he's been given, Gibson- with similar numbers to Gausman's AA numbers, but at the next level higher, AAA- would clearly have been given the exact same opportunity to pitch with the big club......so yeah, it's a safe bet that Gibson would have been given the chance to be a solid contributor with the Orioles.

[jokin]

The first two are secondhand quotes; the last two aren't quotes at all - just repeating conventional wisdom.

 

I still haven't seen anything from a Twins staffer saying right out that there is a set limit that is fixed and won't be exceeded, like Strasburg last year.

 

There may indeed be a ballpark/target figure, but that's different than having a hard limit.

 

 

Secondhand quotes, in that Ryan didn't want to be pinned down specifically to an exact number in a quote. What was asked of him after he said they were going to limit Gibson's innings, was something to the effect of: "Limit his innings? So less than 150 but more than 125?" Ryan responded: "Yep." There's your second-hand quote, just as legitimate as a first-hand quote, if you choose to take the blinders off.

 

The other quotes played off of what was initially reported from- and directly attributed to- Terry Ryan, as the source for the innings-limitation ground rules that were set.

 

This isn't that hard, unless you're willfully refusing to see it. Terry Ryan is playing it smart, especially after he saw the reprecussions from the PR disaster with Strasburg last season.

 

Your last two paragraphs are a grumbling admission to playing with semantics and succeeds in missing the big picture completely- Gibson has been down in AAA for too long, the Twins FO has laid out a myriad of excuses, reasons and "plans" that FAIL in any way to make sense for him not being called up--- except for one thing---extending his indentured servitude for the club's financial benefit is a bigger priority than promoting and developing Gibson's career at a quicker rate.

[Riverbrian]

The examples you cited were why the Orioles were willing to push the younger guys through. You see, they want to objectively determine what they have- at the major league level- with Bundy, Gausman, et al. They are sick of having to trot out Hammel, Britton and Garcia if they find out--- by using actual major league results-- that they don't have to do so. And that's the point. The Orioles are quick to find out just where their truly quality prospect players are at relative to making a solid and CONSISTENT contribution at the major league level.

 

RB, you're much better than your last throwaway paragraph. If Gausman has been given the rope that he's been given, Gibson- with similar numbers to Gausman's AA numbers, but at the next level higher, AAA- would clearly have been given the exact same opportunity to pitch with the big club......so yeah, it's a safe bet that Gibson would have been given the chance to be a solid contributor with the Orioles.

 

LOL... Jokin... "Would have been given the chance to be a solid contributor with the Orioles" is much different than your original post which stated "A safe bet to be a solid contributor with the Orioles".

 

After that confusion... you will have to forgive my last paragraph. A last paragraph that was meant to be dry humor BTW.

 

The Orioles were willing to push younger guys through because they had to...

 

Just like the Twins had to push Hendriks through last year. The Twins also had to push DeVries, Deduno and Walters through last year as well.

 

Necessity is the mother of promotion and my contention is that I would give the ball to Walters again because a 3.23 doesn't scream necessity to me. It's screams... Thank You... This is what we need.

 

Now if the argument is Pelfrey!!! I'm all ears.

 

Walters... I'm giving him the ball until he shows he can't do it. The guy has spent many years working for this chance and he isn't blowing that chance... I'm not prying the ball out of the hands of a pitcher that is performing for a guy who might perform better.

[TheLeviathan]

My reasoning isn't on BOnnes' list: I want 40-60 innings in the majors so that he can learn the difference in advancing from AAA and work on those in ST next year rather than an up and down spring of adjustments in 2014.

 

A small part is also not to take our best near ready starting pitcher and make him resentful of how his performances will be rewarded by the organization.

[jokin]

LOL... Jokin... "Would have been given the chance to be a solid contributor with the Orioles" is much different than your original post which stated "A safe bet to be a solid contributor with the Orioles".

 

After that confusion... you will have to forgive my last paragraph. A last paragraph that was meant to be dry humor BTW.

 

The Orioles were willing to push younger guys through because they had to...

 

Just like the Twins had to push Hendriks through last year. The Twins also had to push DeVries, Deduno and Walters through last year as well.

 

Necessity is the mother of promotion and my contention is that I would give the ball to Walters again because a 3.23 doesn't scream necessity to me. It's screams... Thank You... This is what we need.

 

Now if the argument is Pelfrey!!! I'm all ears.

 

Walters... I'm giving him the ball until he shows he can't do it. The guy has spent many years working for this chance and he isn't blowing that chance... I'm not prying the ball out of the hands of a pitcher that is performing for a guy who might perform better.

 

Your last paragraph attempt at humor was Death Valley dry.

 

And my last paragraph had admittedly conflated thoughts, but I closed the paragraph by saying that Gibson would have been given the chance to pitch to be a significant SP contributor this year on at least half the teams in the majors. And he would be a solid contributor to the Orioles, at minimum, in the sense that Gausman's body of work thus far can be considered contributory. Let's not pick "dry as dust", nits, shall we?

 

On Walters, I believe I was the first one on TD (still waiting for my prize winnings- I'll take either Jarts or a Zip Wing Rocket Glider) to call for, and predict that PJ would get the first call-up over Gibson. He still shouldn't be part of the long-term plan, nothing suggests any screaming that he's a long-term necessity- nothing.

 

And I'll counter your second dry and wry comment with this: The Twins aren't willing to push younger guys because they won't- because they're very, very...er... frugal.

 

And who said it's either Walters or Gibson? Generally, your best guys who project to the future should be given priority in pitching opportunities, especially when you're presumably "rebuilding". The guy with the second best FIP in the IL doesn't deserve a chance? Really? Oh, BTW, Gibson's numbers are better than Walter's numbers at Roc. This doesn't have to be either Walters or Gibson. If they truly are building for the future, then Gibson has to be in the rotation to get his baptism of fire out of the way and help both him and the team make more informed decisions about how to proceed with his career path.

 

The Twins are carrying 13 pitchers, how about a 6 man rotation, or how about giving Gibson 4-5 innings and one of the other SP guys not part of the future the other 4-5. This can be done in a way that makes everyone a winner. It might even be considered, "a plan."

[jorgenswest]

How are AAA innings less stressful? If it is number of pitches, put him on a pitch count. Can someone explain how throwing the ball in AAA hurts your arm less than in the majors?

 

 

I can try to explain it.

 

Quoted from this article "high stress, high pitch count innings can be really detrimental"

 

Innings Pitched | Baseball Guys

 

Gibson's best secondary pitch is the slider

 

Too Many Sliders? | FanGraphs Baseball

 

Major league batters are much better so...

 

-Gibson will endure fewer high leverage/high pitch count innings in the minors.

 

-Gibson can get more guys out with his fastball and will thrower fewer higher stress pitches like the slider over the course of a game.

[jokin]

My reasoning isn't on BOnnes' list: I want 40-60 innings in the majors so that he can learn the difference in advancing from AAA and work on those in ST next year rather than an up and down spring of adjustments in 2014.

 

A small part is also not to take our best near ready starting pitcher and make him resentful of how his performances will be rewarded by the organization.

 

Spot on, simply pithily on point. Why is this so hard for those to understand that finding those innings at the small expense of fringe starters losing those innings is most beneficial to a club in "rebuilding" mode?

 

And, what ever happened to "no more scholarships." Did the "plan" change when I wasn't looking?

[jokin]

I can try to explain it.

 

Quoted from this article "high stress, high pitch count innings can be really detrimental"

 

Innings Pitched | Baseball Guys

 

Gibson's best secondary pitch is the slider

 

Too Many Sliders? | FanGraphs Baseball

 

Major league batters are much better so...

 

-Gibson will endure fewer high leverage/high pitch count innings in the minors.

 

-Gibson can get more guys out with his fastball and will thrower fewer higher stress pitches like the slider over the course of a game.

 

Which all can be adjusted for at the major league level. Pitch counts remedy this concern completely. If he is going to need to be afforded this level of babying over his slider issues than he really isn't a major league SP prospect anymore. Sounds like you're nominating Gibson to a permanent place on the Red Wings.

[Riverbrian]

Your last paragraph attempt at humor was Death Valley dry.

 

I am made of sand... I get stared at all the time with heads tilted slightly and a blank look. It's because of that dryness.

 

For full disclosure: I want to see Gibson and I want to see him now. Mostly I admit for the shiny new toy reason but I do think he's due for a look and I do think facing Prince Fielder would be a great experience for his development and he needs to be good for us.

 

Walters: Is pitching well and he has my full support as long as he is. He will be a great story if he keeps it up. I like seeing pitchers get rewarded for working on getting better. Even older guys.

 

Deduno: I'm a huge fan... I want him to stay a Twin for a long time. Too much talent and Entertainment. I'm crazy but I think that Sam can be a top of the rotation guy with a little mechanics adjustment.

 

Correia: He ain't going anywhere... He's got a contract for next year and he's pitching well. He's one of us now.

 

Diamond: Has been inconsistent but he doesn't deserve to be sent down to experiment with someone unproven.

 

Pelfrey: He's the guy to move for Gibson but he's been a little better and may be getting better and his contract will give him a little rope. However... He hasn't been very good... I wanted Pelfrey this past off season... I admit it... But personally... I don't think that he has worked out and... Despite the improvement in numbers latelly... I'm still not seeing the command that he needs to say I'm comfortable yet.

 

Gibson: I want to see him but he comes with no gaurentee and right now... The current 5 man rotation has put together some decent starts and is looking OK for now.

 

Albers... I know nothing about him... Hope he is a solid option when he gets his chance.

 

I'll remain patient... Cuz an injury or implosion is always around the corner.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Secondhand quotes, in that Ryan didn't want to be pinned down specifically to an exact number in a quote. What was asked of him after he said they were going to limit Gibson's innings, was something to the effect of: "Limit his innings? So less than 150 but more than 125?" Ryan responded: "Yep." There's your second-hand quote, just as legitimate as a first-hand quote, if you choose to take the blinders off.

 

The other quotes played off of what was initially reported from- and directly attributed to- Terry Ryan, as the source for the innings-limitation ground rules that were set.

 

This isn't that hard, unless you're willfully refusing to see it. Terry Ryan is playing it smart, especially after he saw the reprecussions from the PR disaster with Strasburg last season.

 

Your last two paragraphs are a grumbling admission to playing with semantics and succeeds in missing the big picture completely- Gibson has been down in AAA for too long, the Twins FO has laid out a myriad of excuses, reasons and "plans" that FAIL in any way to make sense for him not being called up--- except for one thing---extending his indentured servitude for the club's financial benefit is a bigger priority than promoting and developing Gibson's career at a quicker rate.

 

News flash, Gibson is beyond super 2 and extra free agency year. He can get called up today and the financial benefit would exist... yet he's still in Rochester. Let's stop arguing that this is all about Gibson's service time.

[jokin]

News flash, Gibson is beyond super 2 and extra free agency year. He can get called up today and the financial benefit would exist... yet he's still in Rochester. Let's stop arguing that this is all about Gibson's service time.

 

Newsflash to diehards everywhere, I posted this factual information yesterday when Wil Myers was officially promoted. The clock is now ticking. We're all waiting for even more consistency. It's part of "the plan." Being the 2nd best-rated FIP pitcher and being a very good, to lights-out effective starter in 7 of your last 10 starts in AAA is simply not enough. Let's gather even more information about guys who have close to Zero Percent chance of being here when the games mean something again, cause that's what rebuilding teams are supposed to do (according to the plan? What plan?)

[howieramone1406390264]

Not to mention Slowey, Blackburn, Perkins, Garza and Liriano were all top 100 prospects. It is absolute folly to think Gibson is a given. If this front office is basing decisions on blind assumption we're in for a long rebuild.

 

 

 

You seem to be annoyed by anyone who would suggest the front office should opperate differently. You might not like it here. I'm not sure what exactly you'd have us discuss, the team is losing and generally change is the remedy.

I just reviewed the new comment policy. Great read. I think we're supposed to be talking about the Twins and not other posters. I appreciate your concern on whether or not I will like it here. I don't much care for Twins bashing, but I do know how to use an ignore list.

[snepp]

I just reviewed the new comment policy. Great read. I think we're supposed to be talking about the Twins and not other posters.

 

 

What a coincidence, I just re-reviewed the comment policy again myself. One particular bit caught my eye (underline emphasis mine)...

 

We invite members to notify us if any comments violate these guidelines so we can take appropriate action, rather than police it (or worse, angrily react) in the comments section. Each comment has a small icon shaped like a triangle with an exclamation point in it. By clicking on this icon, community members can easily notify us of possible violations.

[jokin]

What a coincidence, I just re-reviewed the comment policy again myself. One particular bit caught my eye (underline emphasis mine)...

 

Just wondering....Do you get overtime for:

 

moderating the forum, consulting and reposting the comment policy and then pithily putting us pissants back in our places after midnight?

[snepp]

Let me check my contract....nope, nothing.

 

I would strike for better benefits, but sadly my leverage resides somewhere between zero, and zero.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Let me check my contract....nope, nothing.

 

I would strike for better benefits, but sadly my leverage resides somewhere between zero, and zero.

 

Quit complaining and get back to moderating.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Newsflash to diehards everywhere, I posted this factual information yesterday when Wil Myers was officially promoted. The clock is now ticking. We're all waiting for even more consistency. It's part of "the plan." Being the 2nd best-rated FIP pitcher and being a very good, to lights-out effective starter in 7 of your last 10 starts in AAA is simply not enough. Let's gather even more information about guys who have close to Zero Percent chance of being here when the games mean something again, cause that's what rebuilding teams are supposed to do (according to the plan? What plan?)

 

Will Meyers wasn't the magic line between super2/not super 2. My point is that the main reason being put about on these forums for Gibson's lack of call up is money. IT'S NOT MONEY. He'd be up by now if money is the driving force.

 

Something else is going on here, and I'm not going to sit back and pretend that it's a combination of being cheap and being inept.

[Mike Sixel]

What is your theory? Just curious.

[jay]

I'm not going to sit back and pretend that it's a combination of being cheap and being inept.

 

Plenty of folks here would vehemently disagree with you, as you can see by the majority of the previous 110+ posts.