2013 Rule 4 Draft Signings

[Jeremy Nygaard]

Callis tweeted that Gonsalves signed for $700k. Good deal for the Twins.

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Callis tweeted that Gonsalves signed for $700k. Good deal for the Twins.

 

Gonsalves/Stewart is a nice pair. I do wish they would have grabbed one more HS LHP some point in the draft. Maybe they can use the little extra cash they have left on Erwin.

[Jeremy Nygaard]

Per sources, Molina got $150,000. 11th rounder.

 

Twins now have $55,900 to play around with (and three of the top 10 unsigned).

[diehardtwinsfan]

serioulsy, read that line again: four plus pitches? i don't know if i've ever seen that in print before.

 

I've heard people complaining about this pick in other threads here. I don't get it. He might take a bit longer to the show than Gray or Appel, but he's one heck of a consolation prize. 4 plus pitches means he's a starter, baring injury of course.

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I've heard people complaining about this pick in other threads here. I don't get it. He might take a bit longer to the show than Gray or Appel, but he's one heck of a consolation prize. 4 plus pitches means he's a starter, baring injury of course.

 

I think most people are just upset the Twins didn't draft a college pitcher. Maybe if they would have lost a few more games they could have had a chance.

 

Stewart is a beast. He is super athletic kid with a perfect pitchers body. Already has two plus pitches in his fastball and slider. Has two average pitches in his change up and curve ball which could be future above average/plus pitches. A) how many pitchers have a chance to have 4 above average pitches? how many are only 18? Answer: not many.

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From Aaron Fitt of BA on Slegers performance today:

 

"Slegers broke out his changeup effectively in the late innings after pounding the zone with his 89-90 fastball and good 81-83 slider for most of the game. He seemed to get stronger as the game went on, touching 92-93 in the eighth inning. He struck out just one batter through 7 1/3 innings, then recorded four of his final five outs with strikeouts."

[jokin]

From Aaron Fitt of BA on Slegers performance today:

 

"Slegers broke out his changeup effectively in the late innings after pounding the zone with his 89-90 fastball and good 81-83 slider for most of the game. He seemed to get stronger as the game went on, touching 92-93 in the eighth inning. He struck out just one batter through 7 1/3 innings, then recorded four of his final five outs with strikeouts."

 

He looked a lot better than he did at the Big Ten championships. Very encouraging about his strong finish. Can we hire the Big Unit as a special consultant?

[jokin]

I think most people are just upset the Twins didn't draft a college pitcher. Maybe if they would have lost a few more games they could have had a chance.

 

Stewart is a beast. He is super athletic kid with a perfect pitchers body. Already has two plus pitches in his fastball and slider. Has two average pitches in his change up and curve ball which could be future above average/plus pitches. A) how many pitchers have a chance to have 4 above average pitches? how many are only 18? Answer: not many.

 

And you didn't mention a very significant factor. Virtually unlimited ceiling. Pitching was this kid's second priority in high school to football. No arm over-use issues and he appears ready to hit the ground running without any pitching mechanics issues.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Per sources, Molina got $150,000. 11th rounder.

 

Twins now have $55,900 to play around with (and three of the top 10 unsigned).

 

If Tanner Vavra got $1K, wouldn't they still have $154K to spread around?

[Jeremy Nygaard]

If Tanner Vavra got $1K, wouldn't they still have $154K to spread around?

 

Nope. Picks after round 10 are capped at $100k and aren't a part of the bonus pool. Unless they exceed $100k, then the excess counts against the pool.

[Monkeypaws]

If they can round out the top 10 with Eades, Sleger, and Demuth, this will be a very nice draft.

[Jeremy Nygaard]

If they can round out the top 10 with Eades, Sleger, and Demuth, this will be a very nice draft.

 

The only other unsigned guy in the Top 25 rounds - Brandon Bixler - is in Elizabethton, so after they get those three done, they'll have signed their first 25 picks. That's an accomplishment by itself.

[InfraRen]

I love the connection between Stewart and Gonsalves, with Stephen saying he knows Stewart will have a "target on his back, and I'll be the one chasing him down." It's good to have friendly competition and someone each of them can confide in as they develop.

[Vervehound]

I've heard people complaining about this pick in other threads here. I don't get it. He might take a bit longer to the show than Gray or Appel, but he's one heck of a consolation prize. 4 plus pitches means he's a starter, baring injury of course.

 

what people need to realize, imo, is that elite high school talent is on a similar time frame to their college counterparts. case in point is dylan bundy beating gerrit cole and danny hultzen to the big leagues. waiting an extra few months for prepster to make his m.l. deubt at age 20 isn't a drastic shift.

[Vervehound]

The only other unsigned guy in the Top 25 rounds - Brandon Bixler - is in Elizabethton, so after they get those three done, they'll have signed their first 25 picks. That's an accomplishment by itself.

 

the overhaul of the draft has really helped prospects get a meaningful season in the year they're drafted. the combincation of the enforcement for being over slot and moving the date up to 7/15 has been a boon for the game - we're not alone in signing everyone up quickly. this is how it should be.

[rickyriolo]

Callis tweeted that Gonsalves signed for $700k. Good deal for the Twins.

yes, the Union Tribune of San Diego also reported today in their sports section that Gonsalves signed for $700,000. Good kid, has 1st round potential

[drjim]

the overhaul of the draft has really helped prospects get a meaningful season in the year they're drafted. the combincation of the enforcement for being over slot and moving the date up to 7/15 has been a boon for the game - we're not alone in signing everyone up quickly. this is how it should be.

 

I agree. I was a little skeptical at first and thought it might be harmful in bringing in talent but it does work.

 

The cost is that amateur players make a little less money and a few more prep players go to college or perhaps another sport.

[zenser]

Any word if there are or have been productive talks with Eades, Slegers, and DeMuth?

[Monkeypaws]

Any word if there are or have been productive talks with Eades, Slegers, and DeMuth?

 

I was wondering the same thing myself.

[Monkeypaws]

I found this article in USA today about the trio of Hoosiers the Twins drafted:

 

Minnesota Twins turn triple play with Indiana teammates

 

They make it sound pretty iffy that Slegers, technically being a sophomore, would sign unless he gets a significant bonus.

 

In fact , they all three sound pretty happy staying at IU from the quotes in the article.

[Jeremy Nygaard]

It sounds like Eades is on his way to the Cities.

 

The Twins weren't concerned about Slegers signability when they drafted him, haven't heard anything to change that.

[IdahoPilgrim]

As I recall, they have until July 12th to sign, don't they?

 

If I was a drafted player, knowing that this was the only time I had to "cash in" until I reached MLB arbitration, I'd want to get as much bonus as I could realistically get. Waiting until near the end of the signing period could cause it to raise up a little bit, particularly if they've saved money elsewhere.

[cmathewson]

It sounds like Eades is on his way to the Cities.

 

The Twins weren't concerned about Slegers signability when they drafted him, haven't heard anything to change that.

 

Yep. I'm sure they're not in a huge hurry to get the guys who were just playing in Omaha last week onto teams. Those guys could use a break. In Eades and Slegers cases, I wonder how many innings they'll be allowed to pitch this year anyway. After that, it's a pecking order. Get Eades done this week. Slegers and Demuth done next week. And go from there.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Nope. Picks after round 10 are capped at $100k and aren't a part of the bonus pool. Unless they exceed $100k, then the excess counts against the pool.

 

Ok, good to know. I was just going on memory of a team signing a bunch of college seniors for $10K in order to build up pool money last year, so that is only possible in the first 10 rounds? Sets up a weird incentive to have cheap picks early, and expensive picks in round 11+.

[IdahoPilgrim]

Ok, good to know. I was just going on memory of a team signing a bunch of college seniors for $10K in order to build up pool money last year, so that is only possible in the first 10 rounds? Sets up a weird incentive to have cheap picks early, and expensive picks in round 11+.

 

Yeah, it can. And yes, signing somebody cheaply to save bonus money for other picks only applies to the first 10 rounds.

 

Kansas City did that this year - their first pick (8th overall) was Hunter Dozier, who was projected to go somewhere in the 2nd round. He signed for significantly under slot, and they are using that money to sign other picks who might have chosen otherwise not to sign. He was assigned to a rookie league team near where I live, so they had a story talking about why he was picked when he was.

[CairoCrown]

He was assigned to a rookie league team near where I live, so they had a story talking about why he was picked when he was.

Gotta love minor league team names. Today I learned what a Chukar is.

[IdahoPilgrim]

Gotta love minor league team names. Today I learned what a Chukar is.

 

Yeah, not sure if I would have chosen as mascot something that is hunted and shot, but to each their own. It's better than their original nickname - the Russets.

[nicksaviking]

As I recall, they have until July 12th to sign, don't they?

 

If I was a drafted player, knowing that this was the only time I had to "cash in" until I reached MLB arbitration, I'd want to get as much bonus as I could realistically get. Waiting until near the end of the signing period could cause it to raise up a little bit, particularly if they've saved money elsewhere.

 

Of course if a team has spent most of it's money, there is little negotiation available. I'm not sure what the remainder of the Twins alotment is but hypothetically, if they had already spent most of it (insert 'Twins are Cheap' joke here) then the three late signing collegiate guys, and future teammates, would be fighting for the remaining pool and one or two would be forced to take less than deserved if one was to demand more. Of course the awkwardness would be compounded in this case seeing as two of the three are current teammates.

[Jeremy Nygaard]

They currently have "saved" $55,900. None of the three are going to get all of that chuck. Eades will be the first domino to fall. My opinion, Slegers was drafted higher than he deserved to be, in part, to be able to pay him a little bit more. All three should come in around slot... and that frees the Twins up to offer $150,000 to some prepster who isn't likely to sign.

[Monkeypaws]

They currently have "saved" $55,900. None of the three are going to get all of that chuck. Eades will be the first domino to fall. My opinion, Slegers was drafted higher than he deserved to be, in part, to be able to pay him a little bit more. All three should come in around slot... and that frees the Twins up to offer $150,000 to some prepster who isn't likely to sign.

 

I hope you are right - you sure know more about it than me.