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The Twins are now $337,700 under budget. Gonsalves will be over slot. Molina will be over slot. Stewart will be near slot.

 

(No there isn't enough money to sign Shore.)

 

Remember, the Twins can go about 400k over budget and not have any draft repercussions, only a 75% fine.

 

So, that gets us to about $750k in "bonus" slot money

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Remember, the Twins can go about 400k over budget and not have any draft repercussions, only a 75% fine.

 

So, that gets us to about $750k in "bonus" slot money

 

And Molina was pick 11 so if they decided not to sign him they wouldn't lose any of the draft pool.

 

Though I don't have the emotional ties to Shore some folks do, he looks good on paper but a lot of prep arms do.

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Correct on not signing Molina; but he was in town for his physical and to sign last weekend, so it's a done deal... he's not going to cost much over $100k.

 

I also think the Twins would much rather have a prospect that they believe can hit and has a legitimate chance to stay at shortstop. Shore's bonus would be 10-15 times as much as Molina's. (Plus, you're better if you have a "Molina" in your system. Proven fact... or something like that.)

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Remember, the Twins can go about 400k over budget and not have any draft repercussions, only a 75% fine.

 

So, that gets us to about $750k in "bonus" slot money

 

I would be surprised if the Twins were willing to pay any taxes. I'm guessing they will come in right under the slot allotment again this year.

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The Twins are now $337,700 under budget. Gonsalves will be over slot. Molina will be over slot. Stewart will be near slot.

 

(No there isn't enough money to sign Shore.)

 

There have been a ton of 10-40 round guys who have signed over slot this year so far. Hopefully Molina is just the start for over slot late round guys for the Twins. Obviously Shore is impossible to sign, as many have pointed out before, but there are other hard signings I would like to see the Twins pay.

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There have been a ton of 10-40 round guys who have signed over slot this year so far. Hopefully Molina is just the start for over slot late round guys for the Twins. Obviously Shore is impossible to sign, as many have pointed out before, but there are other hard signings I would like to see the Twins pay.

 

Which of the late round guys are hard signs that you'd like?

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AJ Bogucki, a Pennsylvania prep who is committed to UNC and Chris Erwin, lefty Georgia prep committed to Kennesaw State.

 

Bogucki would probably command a little more hefty of a price tag, but has a nice build already and is full of projection. Obviously he's going to get more opportunity to play at UNC and probably against better competition (at least early), but in three years he could be a Top 5 or 6 round guy. (He could also be brutal... lottery ticket-type guy.)

 

Erwin might sign. Smallish lefty who gets two-way comps to Nick Markakis out of high school. He could eventually be a mid-rotation starter with three really good pitches. He's young and under-developed, though, so college could do wonders for him too. (Another lottery ticket-type.)

 

Those would be my two anyway (even ahead of Shore), who I think will develop into a first-round pick after some seasoning at Florida. I just know they won't be able to free up the money he would command.

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I also think the Twins would much rather have a prospect that they believe can hit and has a legitimate chance to stay at shortstop. Shore's bonus would be 10-15 times as much as Molina's. (Plus, you're better if you have a "Molina" in your system. Proven fact... or something like that.)

 

Can he play catcher? I think the Molina Prophacy only applies to catchers. The Twins did seem to target them in this draft though. Maybe they were confused.

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Can he play catcher? I think the Molina Prophacy only applies to catchers. The Twins did seem to target them in this draft though. Maybe they were confused.

 

If his last name is Molina, I'm sure he can play catcher. Maybe he can take all of those "Molina skills" and apply them at shortstop.

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Which of the late round guys are hard signs that you'd like?

 

Twins only took 10 prep players. Here are a few of the late round guys.

 

A.J. Bogucki, 6'3" HS RHP who is committed to North Carolina. Tough signing but could be had. Pitchers body. Currently sits in the high 80s but fastball has hit 93 several times. Like Shore, 99% chance he won't sign.

 

Steven Stensley, 6'1" HS OF, who is committed to LSU-Eunice. Performed poorly his senior year of college but could develop average+ hit/power tools. Future corner outfielder.

 

Taylor Batch, 5'11" HS RHP, who is committed to Florida State. Even though he is undersized he has a solid fast ball with a change up and slider that flash plus at times. Lots of control issues.

 

Chris Erwin, 6'0" HS LHP, Kennesaw State recruit. Has a High 80s fastball.

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AJ Bogucki, a Pennsylvania prep who is committed to UNC and Chris Erwin, lefty Georgia prep committed to Kennesaw State.

 

Bogucki would probably command a little more hefty of a price tag, but has a nice build already and is full of projection. Obviously he's going to get more opportunity to play at UNC and probably against better competition (at least early), but in three years he could be a Top 5 or 6 round guy. (He could also be brutal... lottery ticket-type guy.)

 

Erwin might sign. Smallish lefty who gets two-way comps to Nick Markakis out of high school. He could eventually be a mid-rotation starter with three really good pitches. He's young and under-developed, though, so college could do wonders for him too. (Another lottery ticket-type.)

 

Those would be my two anyway (even ahead of Shore), who I think will develop into a first-round pick after some seasoning at Florida. I just know they won't be able to free up the money he would command.

 

Beat me to it! Bogucki would be a great signing but UNC kids normally go to school.

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I really wouldn't expect the Twins to pay any of the tax unless Shore's agent approached them with a proposal (like 600-700K) which at this point would way below his reported demands. I am hoping that they can grab 1-2 guys in the 100-200K range.

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Nelson Molina and Tanner Mendonca have both reached agreements, pending physicals. They are scheduled to arrive in FM on Thursday. Contracts to be signed Friday or Saturday.

 

Is Nelson related to Bengie, Yadi and Jose?

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Dustin Morse tweeted that the Twins have signed 21 of their first 25 picks. That leaves Eades, Slegers and DeMuth (all from the top 10 rounds) and 16th rounder LP Brandon Bixler.

 

With Indiana still being in the tourney Slegers, DeMuth, and Halstead can't sign. Now that LSU is out I'm sure Eades will sign quick. Not sure what the snag is on Bixler.

 

With Stewart signing at slot I'm interested where all the under slot money is going. Gonsalves and Molina couldn't have eaten up the whole ~340k, could they? I'm not expecting any of the college guys above to get anything but slot.

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I would be surprised if the Twins were willing to pay any taxes. I'm guessing they will come in right under the slot allotment again this year.

 

i think benjamin franklin said it best when he said "there are only two certainties in life: death and the twins avoidance of taxes".

 

same guy that said "beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy" so he may be the wisest person who ever lived.

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I really wouldn't expect the Twins to pay any of the tax unless Shore's agent approached them with a proposal (like 600-700K) which at this point would way below his reported demands. I am hoping that they can grab 1-2 guys in the 100-200K range.

 

i like signing local kids but i don't think shore is worth anything north of $600-700k. let the kids go to college and increase the pool at that level - that'll be best for the game.

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i think benjamin franklin said it best when he said "there are only two certainties in life: death and the twins avoidance of taxes".

 

same guy that said "beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy" so he may be the wisest person who ever lived.

 

To be fair, doesn't everybody try to avoid taxes?

 

Love the second part.:)

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I could see Gonsalves taking up a lot of that. I exchanged texts on Saturday night with someone who had knowledge of both figures. I guessed $4.25m on Stewart and $800k on Gonsalves. He said I was closer on Gonsalves. Obviously that doesn't say much (gives us a $500k to $1.1m range), but he obviously got over slot ($468k).

 

I'm not expecting Molina to take up much... how much is a "little over slot". But I could see Gonsalves' bonus somewhere in that $700k range. (I could also be way off.)

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