Are You Ready for Emilio Pagan to Work?

[Fire Dan Gladden]

1 hour ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Right, which is to say that Pagan could turn things around based on these adjustments, or resolution to whatever outside causes you want to speculate on, despite his awful track record and age, correct? Again, "you never know," is being applied in the face of statistical unlikelihood in both cases.

Every team has roles "set," entering the season, that doesn't really mean anything. Miranda played a majority of last year, he isn't a roster change, but if you want to talk about him at 3B specifically, his defensive fit certainly could be considered a question mark. Kirilloff's wrist isn't a question mark? Gallo isn't a question mark after his abysmal 2022 season? Who is your 2nd SP acquired? Taylor's bat isn't a question mark if he's getting extended playing time as Buxton insurance? You're going to mention all the injuries, but those aren't question marks this season!? Mahle, Ober, and Winder are health locks? Maeda and Alcala won't miss a beat post elbow procedures? Jorge Lopez's absolute meltdown in a Twins uniform was just a blip? Pagan has been beaten to death. An offense that was inconsistent or non existent at times, and lost one of its most reliable/best bats, will be better despite the only clear upgrade coming at C? I mean c'mon, these are just off the top of my head. 

You are arguing points that really don't fit what I am saying and changing tacks in what you are defending.  Read the post immediately over yours from JMlease1 to understand the point I am trying to make.

Bottom line is that putting Pagan in a low leverage middle relief role as the Twins try to fix him will have a very small impact on the game outcomes.  On the chance they are able to fix him, he could be a valuable piece.  If not, expect the team to move on from him.  High upside, low bottom.

 

 

[Cris E]

The Twins knew exactly what they were getting from San Diego in early 2022. At that time the Padres 2021 Manager Jayce Tingler was Rocco's new bench coach and he was part of the whole transaction.

[jorgenswest]

Pagán can miss bats. He can pitch on back to back days. I don’t buy that low leverage roles exist in the pen with the exception of a pitcher in a role where they are shuttled back and forth. He does need a role that adds value to the staff. If that role only exists in low leverage they need to move on.

That role might be on where he starts an inning as often as possible. He had a lot of clean outings last year as well as too many innings giving up more than 1 run. Following the starter and giving them a clean 6th or 7th inning 2/3 of the time will add value.

[KirbyDome89]

3 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

You are arguing points that really don't fit what I am saying and changing tacks in what you are defending.  Read the post immediately over yours from JMlease1 to understand the point I am trying to make.

Bottom line is that putting Pagan in a low leverage middle relief role as the Twins try to fix him will have a very small impact on the game outcomes.  On the chance they are able to fix him, he could be a valuable piece.  If not, expect the team to move on from him.  High upside, low bottom.

 

 

You labeled logic that defied statistical evidence as "wrong." I just pointed out that you're using similar logic to argue for the Pagan renaissance. How he's used, and subsequent damage caused to the team, or lack thereof, isn't the issue in question; it's whether or not he's actually able to be "fixed."