Trevor Bauer Is Not Worth It

[Steve71]

Strangely enough, the Twins clubhouse might be in a better position to handle a character like Bauer if they had Correa leading it....

Me, personally, I would not touch this guy unless I had a face-to-face interview with the guy with all topics on the table to try and clear the air and see if you are comfortable with him on the team...or not.

Given his talent, plus the minimum salary, it would be worth at least talking to him if he wanted to play here.  Being in a small market "backwater" like Minnesota might be the best place for him to reform his image and rehabilitate his character.

[theBOMisthebomb]

3 hours ago, Nine of twelve said:

I posted this on the other thread and I'm going to post it here as well.

Maybe that's true. Maybe not, I don't know. But thousands of people sign contracts every day proscribing conduct that is not illegal. Several U of M football players were expelled several years ago because their conduct, while not illegal, fell outside the terms that all students agree to abide by when they enroll. I don't know the detailed ins and outs of the MLB CBA, but I expect that Bauer's conduct fell outside the terms he agreed to when he signed his contract.

And I don't care about any other concerns. I don't care if he's the second coming of Nolan Ryan on the mound. If I were running an MLB front office I would never sign him to play on my team.

What are you unsure about? Bauer's suspension was reduced and he was reinstated. Per ESPN.com, "The Dodgers are on the hook for the $22.5 million Bauer is owed for the final season of his contract but would save $720,000, the major league minimum, if another team signs him in the open market." It's fine if you don't want the Twins to consider signing Bauer. The suspension and contract information is factual, though.

[I wish the twins were good]

Was waiting for someone to write this article. Thank you! Gross. If there's any decency left in the world it should come in the form of this ******* not being able to get a job paying him millions of dollars.

Frankly, this sounds like something the White Sox would do...

[DocBauer]

It's funny/interesting to me, before all of this came down, what I remember about him is an interview he gave about his personal life a few years back. Paraphrasing slightly as I don't have a link, he stated that he tells all of his romantic/partner interests that he's in it for fun. And the minute they get serious, he's out.

Now, while I think that is rather deplorable as a man, father, lover of women, etc...and find his beliefs as misogynistic and extremely nialistic...I can at least "appreciate" an attempt to be honest. (Sigh and shudder). 

I believe in most of the court system. I understand he has yet to be convicted of anything. I believe in forgiveness for anyone who wants to change and make amends for anything done, or even questionable in their life. And thus, I believe in second chances for anyone. Hell, I believe in 3rd chances for those that mean it.

I don't care, on an isolated incident, that he was pissed and pumped up and showed up his manager by throwing a ball to the OF in a display of frustration and anger. Stuff happens. As human beings, we all have moments.

And I think it's safe to say we all wouldn't be best friends and love EVERYONE on our favorite sports teams as much as others if we knew them. That's just being honest.

But there is truth to "where there's smoke, there's fire". 

And when there is this much smoke, man, there has to be a fire smoldering somewhere, despite conviction, that has to tell you NO. STAY AWAY!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[I wish the twins were good]

9 hours ago, Teflon said:

The only positive in signing Bauer is he wouldn't have to face Max Kepler.

Kepler is as good as gone, so the twins would be on the receiving end of that shellacking 

[I wish the twins were good]

5 hours ago, Litdus said:

I think its pretty hypocritical if people are fine walking through gate 34 and by his statue but have a problem with employing TB.

It's a good point, but he's not even walking the earth anymore, let alone looking for a job. We can do better now, in 2023. 

[Wizard11]

IMO, any team signing Bauer is giving a big middle finger to women,  I think that is a much more significant point then how he would or would not fit in a clubhouse.

[tony&rodney]

Bauer may get another chance in baseball, but it is really hard to see it. He has had more than 10 years of substantial issues in increasingly more complicated manners of behavior. The resume is out there for all teams to consider and it seems nearly impossible that an employer is looking to test their luck at this time. Maybe if he can somehow prove that his can adjust over the next ten years, then someone might say ok. It's none of my business and I don't care if someone wants to employ Bauer but my belief is he is done with baseball.

[Kummel]

Hard pass. 

[h2oface]

Most can't handle people that live on the fringe, consenting as it may be for all involved. Bauer picked the wrong kink for a MLB Baseball player, or most "public" figures, for that matter, regardless if it was consensual or not. Especially for the kind of money he makes that makes him a target for "revenue sharing". People have already decided their take, regardless of not really knowing what all was involved, and who requested or initiated what. But that is death for his baseball career. I doubt he will "fit in" anywhere on the baseball field, now. I could be wrong, though, but I definitely don't see it happening in the Twin Cities. It would be a public relations nightmare. The Twin Cities embrace Prince, though.

Maybe if they all watched the 1996 movie, "Crash" together.........

 

[Nashvilletwin]

14 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

He showed up his manager in the middle of the field

Did the Dodgers’ manager yank him in the 5th after getting through the order for the 2nd time?  Yeah, he wouldn’t be a fit for the Twins - he’d only last one start.

Please note the italics font indicating sarcasm,

[h2oface]

11 hours ago, Stew said:

I would say no to him. But I would hope the twins don't consider him a project like the broken down pitchers they pick up. He after all would only cost them 720,000 dollars. I would think that the problems would be to great. However I did see an article that listed some of the teams that might take him. And if they would win it all, would there be a lot of regrets?

Not even that much I believe. I think it is 50 games unpaid.... so that would even be prorated, and the cost is only about $500K

[LewFordLives]

15 hours ago, se7799 said:

Donaldson is not and never will be like Bauer.  He's actually a positive person and helps many.  But ya..if you read he's a bad person by somebody that doesn't even know him...I guess it must be true.

Am glad someone said this. Donaldson doesn't belong in the same sentence as Bauer.

[jmlease1]

14 hours ago, Litdus said:

I think its pretty hypocritical if people are fine walking through gate 34 and by his statue but have a problem with employing TB.

not really the same thing. Bauer is a bad teammate and at best a "difficult" personality with borderline criminal sexual practices, an embrace of bigotry, and shows no remorse for his attitude or behavior. Kirby was a beloved teammate whose problems mostly arose after he was forced into early retirement through fluke injury and was almost certainly having mental health issues that needed treatment. It doesn't excuse his actions, but it puts them in a different context than Bauer. 

No interest in Bauer here. Everything about him screams "bad guy". 

[Doctor Gast]

15 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

You're misunderstanding the use of the word "could" in that sentence. He wasn't using "could" in the "it's possible" sense, but instead in the "past tense of can" sense. 

Your statement is w/o merit. Can is an active verb meaning the ability to do (infinitive tense of an active verb) something. Example present tense:  He can (main verb) run(infinitive)            Example past tense: He could (main verb) run- with the connotation that he no longer can run

Francona stated that Bauer was let go because "Bauer could be toxic to the clubhouse",

In this Francona statement the main verb isn't can but is be (passive verb), here could is an auxiliary meaning future possibility with the connotation that it doesn't exists now.

[jmlease1]

46 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

Your statement is w/o merit. Can is an active verb meaning the ability to do (infinitive tense of an active verb) something. Example present tense:  He can (main verb) run(infinitive)            Example past tense: He could (main verb) run- with the connotation that he no longer can run

Francona stated that Bauer was let go because "Bauer could be toxic to the clubhouse",

In this Francona statement the main verb isn't can but is be (passive verb), here could is an auxiliary meaning future possibility with the connotation that it doesn't exists now.

you're attempting to parse grammar rules in a way that misinterprets the intent of the speaker. It doesn't matter if that's the "correct" way to read the use of "could" in this statement, Francona was almost certainly trying to convey the idea that Bauer had been a problem in the clubhouse at times. It wasn't just "well, this guy might detonate the clubhouse in the future".

[chpettit19]

4 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Did the Dodgers’ manager yank him in the 5th after getting through the order for the 2nd time?  Yeah, he wouldn’t be a fit for the Twins - he’d only last one start.

Please note the italics font indicating sarcasm,

Hey now. Let's be fair. It was Francona that pulled him, not Roberts. Give credit to Bauer for being willing to show up maybe the best manager in baseball for the last 20 years.

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

Your statement is w/o merit. Can is an active verb meaning the ability to do (infinitive tense of an active verb) something. Example present tense:  He can (main verb) run(infinitive)            Example past tense: He could (main verb) run- with the connotation that he no longer can run

Francona stated that Bauer was let go because "Bauer could be toxic to the clubhouse",

In this Francona statement the main verb isn't can but is be (passive verb), here could is an auxiliary meaning future possibility with the connotation that it doesn't exists now.

From Merriam-Webster:

Terry Francona found Bauer could be a problem in the clubhouse. As in, in the past he figured out that Bauer was a problem in the clubhouse.

From Cambridge Dictionary:

When Bauer was younger he could disrupt a clubhouse. As in, in the past he disrupted a clubhouse.

Want me to keep going? There's more dictionaries out there that will show the exact same thing. Francona was speaking after Bauer had been traded and was referring to what he'd already done. He could no longer disrupt the Cleveland clubhouse because he was no longer in it because they found he COULD disrupt it when he DID disrupt it so they traded him for being a problem in the clubhouse. And with the trainers. And with reporters. And with the coaching staff.

[Otaknam]

Agree that Bauer isn’t worth it and would be a clubhouse cancer. Also his contract is not what the Twins would accept. 

[chpettit19]

4 hours ago, h2oface said:

Not even that much I believe. I think it is 50 games unpaid.... so that would even be prorated, and the cost is only about $500K

I believe the 50 unpaid games is already taken out of his 2023 salary. It's why he's "only" getting 22+ million from the Dodgers. The team that signs him will have to pay the 720k. Or that's my understanding at least. He was due 32 million, and is only getting 22.5 or whatever from the Dodgers to make up for the games they paid him while he was on the exempt list, and not officially suspended. So with the suspension being reduced to 194 it counts every game he sat out, but he was paid for 50 of those games, and thus he is being docked 50 games worth of pay. So it's only the Dodgers salary that is effected here.

[laloesch]

18 hours ago, se7799 said:

Donaldson is not and never will be like Bauer.  He's actually a positive person and helps many.  But ya..if you read he's a bad person by somebody that doesn't even know him...I guess it must be true.

Really?  That's not what a lot of fans here were saying about him when he was here.

[Doctor Gast]

29 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

From Merriam-Webster:

Terry Francona found Bauer could be a problem in the clubhouse. As in, in the past he figured out that Bauer was a problem in the clubhouse.

From Cambridge Dictionary:

When Bauer was younger he could disrupt a clubhouse. As in, in the past he disrupted a clubhouse.

Want me to keep going? There's more dictionaries out there that will show the exact same thing.

No, I don't care how many ways you can use could, I just want you to focus on the correct one that had been used. And that is the (auxiliary- to show future possibility)  could used with the main passive verb be. 

"Bauer could be toxic"   if you can't understand what I explained before and throw a bunch of useless information at me. Then I just give up. 

[laloesch]

2 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

not really the same thing. Bauer is a bad teammate and at best a "difficult" personality with borderline criminal sexual practices, an embrace of bigotry, 

No interest in Bauer here. Everything about him screams "bad guy". 

Apparently, the courts didn't think so and he was acquitted in criminal proceedings.  So let's drop the guilty until proven innocent talk about sexual stuff.  The court ruled she was a willing participant and even took social media pictures of herself with a smile on her face and bragged about the encounter via texts.  The two of them were engaged in rough "kinky" behavior.  Bauer has never embraced bigotry that i've ever heard of.  Would be interesting to hear these rumors, lol. 

Interesting how Sano got the benefit of the doubt from fans here when he had allegations leveled against him.  Now regarding him (Bauer) being a clubhouse problem that's a different story and i agree on that.  That said, i almost think this club could use a guy with fire to get these guys fired up.  To me they are still too lackadaisical at times.  Sometimes an abrasive player can bring out the best in his teammates, similar to what Michael Jordan did with the Bulls.  Jordan was extremely abrasive and even openly hostile to his teammates if he felt they were slacking off or not playing to his abilities.  I'm not saying Bauer is that kinda of abrasive, but it is a thought. 

[laloesch]

11 hours ago, DocBauer said:

It's funny/interesting to me, before all of this came down, what I remember about him is an interview he gave about his personal life a few years back. Paraphrasing slightly as I don't have a link, he stated that he tells all of his romantic/partner interests that he's in it for fun. And the minute they get serious, he's out.

Now, while I think that is rather deplorable as a man, father, lover of women, etc...and find his beliefs as misogynistic and extremely nialistic...I can at least "appreciate" an attempt to be honest. (Sigh and shudder). 

I believe in most of the court system. I understand he has yet to be convicted of anything. I believe in forgiveness for anyone who wants to change and make amends for anything done, or even questionable in their life. And thus, I believe in second chances for anyone. Hell, I believe in 3rd chances for those that mean it.

I don't care, on an isolated incident, that he was pissed and pumped up and showed up his manager by throwing a ball to the OF in a display of frustration and anger. Stuff happens. As human beings, we all have moments.

And I think it's safe to say we all wouldn't be best friends and love EVERYONE on our favorite sports teams as much as others if we knew them. That's just being honest.

But there is truth to "where there's smoke, there's fire". 

And when there is this much smoke, man, there has to be a fire smoldering somewhere, despite conviction, that has to tell you NO. STAY AWAY!

 

 

 

 

 

 

He was acquitted by a criminal court.  The issue is over.

[chpettit19]

19 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

No, I don't care how many ways you can use could, I just want you to focus on the correct one that had been used. And that is the (auxiliary)  could used with the main passive verb be. 

"Bauer could be toxic"   if you can't understand what I explained before and throw a bunch of useless information at me. Then I just give up. 

You ever know someone who's not around anymore? COULD they BE good people? You remember Robin Williams? He could be so funny sometimes. Oh wait, did I just use could with be to refer to something Robin Williams had done in the past? Just because you really want your way to be the "correct one" doesn't mean it is. 

More Francona quotes on Bauer:
"It was a distraction." Sounds like Bauer was actively doing something that was distracting the clubhouse (it was throwing the ball into centerfield)
"You want to fix it. But I don't think you penalize your team." Wanted to help Bauer be less annoying, but couldn't let him hold back the rest of the team. Doesn't sound like him being worried about Bauer maybe being annoying in the future, does it?
“Do you make it better, do you stay the same or do you make it worse? The idea is to always make it better. But there’s also an obligation to the other 24 guys in there, too, and you try to balance that.” Again, wants to help Bauer, but he's hurting the rest of the team. Still doesn't sound like Francona being concerned that maybe, it's possible, Bauer will cause problems.

You're basically arguing that Terry Francona openly pushed for Trevor Bauer to be traded because he was just guessing he may become a problem eventually. You know what, I'll even concede that (even though I don't believe it). If Terry Francona doesn't want you on his team I don't want you on mine. Francona pushing to have someone off his team is more than enough evidence to me.

[chpettit19]

5 minutes ago, laloesch said:

He was acquitted by a criminal court.  The issue is over.

No. He wasn't. Acquitted means he was found not guilty. He was never charged. Those are 2 very different things. You ever speed and not get a speeding ticket? Drive drunk and not get a DUI? You weren't acquitted of those crimes, you just weren't charged with them. Not being charged doesn't mean he didn't do something illegal, it means the prosecutors didn't think they could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. There are murderers walking our streets today that the prosecutors know committed a crime, but don't charge because they don't feel they could convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Doctor Gast]

1 hour ago, jmlease1 said:

you're attempting to parse grammar rules in a way that misinterprets the intent of the speaker. It doesn't matter if that's the "correct" way to read the use of "could" in this statement, Francona was almost certainly trying to convey the idea that Bauer had been a problem in the clubhouse at times. It wasn't just "well, this guy might detonate the clubhouse in the future".

I'll yield that Francona could be trying to phrase his language in a nice way that portrayed his personal feeling towards Bauer w/o completely speaking in behalf of the clubhouse. But I didn't try to misinterpret anything, I interpreted literately how it was said. I'm not trying to push any agenda. It just seems that this clubhouse thing could be blown out of proportion. And I want to be open for what is true. And not believe everything I hear or read.

[jmlease1]

43 minutes ago, laloesch said:

Apparently, the courts didn't think so and he was acquitted in criminal proceedings.  So let's drop the guilty until proven innocent talk about sexual stuff.  The court ruled she was a willing participant and even took social media pictures of herself with a smile on her face and bragged about the encounter via texts.  The two of them were engaged in rough "kinky" behavior.  Bauer has never embraced bigotry that i've ever heard of.  Would be interesting to hear these rumors, lol. 

Interesting how Sano got the benefit of the doubt from fans here when he had allegations leveled against him.  Now regarding him (Bauer) being a clubhouse problem that's a different story and i agree on that.  That said, i almost think this club could use a guy with fire to get these guys fired up.  To me they are still too lackadaisical at times.  Sometimes an abrasive player can bring out the best in his teammates, similar to what Michael Jordan did with the Bulls.  Jordan was extremely abrasive and even openly hostile to his teammates if he felt they were slacking off or not playing to his abilities.  I'm not saying Bauer is that kinda of abrasive, but it is a thought. 

I said "borderline criminal", and I think that's accurate. He wasn't charged, but he could have been, and who knows where things go after that? And the anti-trans & anti-Semitic social media posts are expressions of bigotry, they're not "rumors" just because you missed them. And he's certainly not sorry.

The idea that a) this team somehow needs "fire" to win, and b) Bauer is even remotely capable of bringing that energy in a positive way is pretty ridiculous. They wanted him out in Cleveland, they're eating his salary in LA to get rid of him and he'll bring a firestorm media circus with him if he lands a gig anywhere in MLB that will be a distraction at best and more likely a garbage fire.

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

No, I don't care how many ways you can use could, I just want you to focus on the correct one that had been used. And that is the (auxiliary- to show future possibility)  could used with the main passive verb be. 

"Bauer could be toxic"   if you can't understand what I explained before and throw a bunch of useless information at me. Then I just give up. 

Instead of focusing on the auxiliary verb, focus on the word "toxic." When does a manager use that word in regard to a player? Almost never. It amounts to throwing the player under the bus.

[Squirrel]

45 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Instead of focusing on the auxiliary verb, focus on  the word "toxic." When does a manager use that word in regard to a player? Almost never. It amounts to throwing the player under the bus.

And even more so ... that Francona said it