The Twins Know They Need Pitching, Right?

[Karbo]

IMHO the Twins should stand on what they have for starters at this point. I don't know of any FA left that would make a bid difference. Instead, get some RP that can go multiple innings w/o needing 3 days between appearances, Try to extend our own guys, and focus on some offense. A RH outfielder that can crush lefties AND play defense would be a huge piece to the puzzle.

[nicksaviking]

19 hours ago, laloesch said:

I know some will disagree with this but i think the Twins could have used Rodon, but like Correa i think he was looking to play in a big city market so it was a moot point.

Yeah, it does seem that a preferred destination or geographic region ends up getting leaked for some players at the very top of the free agent market. This year it was Rodon (New York) and Trae Turner (East Coast). It seems exceedingly rare that when those locations get leaked, that a guy doesn't ultimately end up somewhere in that vicinity.

[miracleb]

If Mahle can turn back into ......Mahle,..... then this pitching staff can be solid.  Maeda would be a bonus!

[JD-TWINS]

On 12/22/2022 at 10:25 AM, Nashvilletwin said:

If the FO had recognized their pursuit of CC as the pipe dream it was, they basically could have had Anderson and Bassitt (or close equivalents) on minimum three year deals for the price of CC and Gallo.

With ‘23 looking grim, this is how you build for the future. Instead of trying to kick save the Maeda, Mahle, and Gray ‘23 strategy, it would have been smarter to invest in the Bassitt, Anderson plus one (or two) extension(s) of the three  ‘24-25 strategy. You start Maeda in the pen in ‘23 and wait for Mahle and Gray to break down to give Ober, Winder, SWR starter innings. At the deadline you move any or all of the three (Gray, Maeda, Mahle) who will not be extended.

This not only positioned the rotation for a more open window in ‘24-25, but also would actually have significantly increased the probability of contending in ‘23.

This FO is like the woman who backed into the airplane propellor: a disaster.

 

Sounded good until the propeller comment. Moving on, If we trade somebody it should be Keppler - Pitching prospect - Larnach (or similar) so we actually get a good pitcher. Nobody is sending any decent return at any position just for Max.

I thought Bassitt was obvious sign for us. No activity that I recall.

Sign Eovaldi & do as you suggest, unload starters that are ineffective or we can’t extend next July. Sign a starter & move Maeda to pen - agreed.

I think a signing of Fulmer (or like) is needed!!!!

Good points. If we add pitching we will be competitive, i.e. Cleveland of 2022.

[Sparky1]

I think the team needs to play more aggressive baseball so they are more fun to watch. Steal more bases, hit and run etc. Maybe even take a chance that the starting pitcher goes through the opposing lineup for a third time. Waiting for them to hit a 3 run home run is boring. Don't play afraid to lose.

[Whitey333]

Twins treat free agency like a disease or the plague.  One good thing about free agents is the don't generally cost you any player talent in return.  You can keep your " prospects" even if they aren't any good.  I also get a kick out of how people say we have starting pitching depth.  Where is it?  Depth, to me implies good reliable pitching.  While Gray has been decent and Ryan gives hope, what about the rest of them Mahle? Possibly.  Over, Winder, Varland, SWR, have proved nothing so far at the major league level.  I full expect the Twins to go post Christmas discount shopping for starting pitching again.  It's sad because there were a couple of pitchers out there that they could have had.  The one thing this FO has shown is that they work off the gullibility of their fans.  Dangle something out there, then don't sign him or anyone else of any significance, just under the pretext of looking like you know what they are doing.  To me they currently look like frauds.

[Reptevia]

On 12/22/2022 at 9:15 AM, bloomwcjkl said:

We need to sign the next Pete Redfern.

They need to sign the next Sidd Finch. 

[rv78]

Last time I checked Bundy, Archer, Smeltzer and Duffey were still all available. $44 million should be enough to get them all back on the roster. The Twins like to give out $11M contracts to guys that can't hit so they'd be perfect additions. Throw in the fact that they can't pitch either and it's a match made in heaven.

[Danchat]

8 hours ago, Whitey333 said:

Twins treat free agency like a disease or the plague.  One good thing about free agents is the don't generally cost you any player talent in return.  You can keep your " prospects" even if they aren't any good.  I also get a kick out of how people say we have starting pitching depth.  Where is it?  Depth, to me implies good reliable pitching.  While Gray has been decent and Ryan gives hope, what about the rest of them Mahle? Possibly.  Over, Winder, Varland, SWR, have proved nothing so far at the major league level.  I full expect the Twins to go post Christmas discount shopping for starting pitching again.  It's sad because there were a couple of pitchers out there that they could have had.  The one thing this FO has shown is that they work off the gullibility of their fans.  Dangle something out there, then don't sign him or anyone else of any significance, just under the pretext of looking like you know what they are doing.  To me they currently look like frauds.

They love spending FA cash on hitters, but avoid paying pitching like the plague. They rarely pay FA starters anything more than a one year deal, and despise paying relievers. I understand why with how often they bust, but the alternative approach also isn't working. Imagine if Correa inked the deal they offered, the Falvine regime's spending on pitching compared to hitting would be something like 80% to 20%.

Darren Wolfson had reported that they were nowhere close to matching Michael Fulmer's price on the market, so it looks like they are nickeling and dimeing the relieving market again.

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, Danchat said:

They love spending FA cash on hitters, but avoid paying pitching like the plague. They rarely pay FA starters anything more than a one year deal, and despise paying relievers. I understand why with how often they bust, but the alternative approach also isn't working. Imagine if Correa inked the deal they offered, the Falvine regime's spending on pitching compared to hitting would be something like 80% to 20%.

Darren Wolfson had reported that they were nowhere close to matching Michael Fulmer's price on the market, so it looks like they are nickeling and dimeing the relieving market again.

They don't really pay hitters either. Vazquez, Donaldson traded after two years. That's it for multi year deals?

[Danchat]

55 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

They don't really pay hitters either. Vazquez, Donaldson traded after two years. That's it for multi year deals?

Jason Castro, Marwin Gonazlez, Nelson Cruz was technically a two year deal if you include the option. Maybe 'love' is too strong of a term, but it seems like every offseason they spend 60%+ of the available cash on hitting.