So You're Trying to Cope with Carlos Correa Signing Elsewhere

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 hour ago, FritzDahmus said:

No, I did not read this article. So if this was a parody....I apologize. But I doubt it was.

Nick Nelson’s wall is here for you to issue your apology:

https://twinsdaily.com/profile/18-nick-nelson/

[EGFTShaw]

2 hours ago, umterp23 said:

He isn't worth the money for that length of a contract.  Boras and Carlos got what they wanted and it was never the Twins that would give it to him.  He isn't worth the payday that he got, so no big loss.  He wasn't going to resign here so all good.  Twins FO will use the money as they see fit whether it's what we want.  

 

I get the contract value opinion completely but using the value system for WAR it is $8M per 1 WAR.

C4 is worth 4-5+ WAR and he has at least up to age 34 season I think of being in the range.  Again, I base this on the only player I could find that is truly similar physically and played the same position.  Cal Ripkin Jr.  Future predictions are a crap shoot, but you have to still roll the dice.

4 WAR = $32M today.
5 WAR = $40M today.

So $35M/year is I think spot on.  

I would be hesitant to give him the extra 3 years.  We don't need to worry about paying any tax on spending...LOL...unless the Ghost of George Steinbrenner body snatches Joe Pohlad.?

And no truer statement has been said on Twins Daily or anywhere else.
"Twins FO will use the money as they see fit whether it's what we want."

[EGFTShaw]

11 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Nick Nelson’s wall is here for you to issue your apology:

https://twinsdaily.com/profile/18-nick-nelson/

NEVER....??

[Eris]

I am not bothered by Correa signing elsewhere, especially for that length of contract. He is not an elite defender at SS and I doubt that he will stick there for more than a few more years.  It would have been wonderful for Correa to be Twin for the next 3 or 4 years, but signing the most expensive free agents to decade long contracts is not how the Twins will be competitive long term as the Twins can not afford a bad contract of that magnitude should things go south. 
 

I am more bothered by the Jorge Lopez for Povich trade. 
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/08/orioles-trade-jorge-lopez-twins-closer.html

[MMMordabito]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

How has that worked out for winning? 

30 games over .500 for the regular seasons, but sadly 0fer the playoffs.

 

[Mike Sixel]

10 minutes ago, MMMordabito said:

30 games over .500 for the regular seasons, but sadly 0fer the playoffs.

 

With the previous regime's players.....they weren't a .500 team the last two years. At some point, results matter. Are they getting better, or worse, the longer they are in control? They did what Ryan wouldn't the two winning years, they added to a good team. 

Injuries were awful last year, but they dealt for two SPs with injury histories (I liked the Mahle risk). 

[MMMordabito]

21 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

With the previous regime's players.....they weren't a .500 team the last two years. At some point, results matter. Are they getting better, or worse, the longer they are in control? They did what Ryan wouldn't the two winning years, they added to a good team. 

Injuries were awful last year, but they dealt for two SPs with injury histories (I liked the Mahle risk). 

I'm just going by the period since they started signing homegrowns and buying out FA years.  Deals like those are good for keeping the base at a higher level.  The team is sitting what $40 mill? under 2022 payroll.  Rodon, Swanson, and maybe Thor, JD Martinez are the only ones left that I consider good fits that will put a large dent in that.  I don't see the Twins signing more than one of those four players, and I really don't like the years that Rodon wants considering his health history.   If they can't get those guys, why not use the payroll to buyout FA years on Joe Ryan, Luis Arraez or even Jose Miranda?  I understand that not everyone will think those particular players are the correct targets for those kind of contracts.

[adorduan]

I'm not trying to cope, I knew he was never going to sign here long term.  some people are delusional.

[baul0010]

2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

How has that worked out for winning? 

The Braves are pulling off the strategy well.  You just have to be smart enough to know who deserves the dollars.  Not sure we have that front office for drafting and signing talent early in their careers.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, baul0010 said:

The Braves are pulling off the strategy well.  You just have to be smart enough to know who deserves the dollars.  Not sure we have that front office for drafting and signing talent early in their careers.

Twins won't even promote guys as aggressively as the Braves when they lose 4-6 OFers....

Not one player on this roster deserves the kind of deals the Braves hand out. Arraez has bad knees. Ryan is a pitcher. That's it among the young players, isn't it? I mean, Jeffers, Gordon, all the pitchers, Larnach, Kiriloff? None of them should get an extension at this point. Lewis hasn't been able to walk / run for two years now. 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

I think I'll take a long walk in the winter woods of North Carolina. It's 45 degrees and cloudy, a perfect day for a woods walk. 

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

I think I'll take a long walk in the winter woods of North Carolina. It's 45 degrees and cloudy, a perfect day for a woods walk. 

Ya, 41 and partly sunny now. I'm out for a bit....

[Knotholemike]

No, no, no to any backup plan that includes signing free agent flotsam.  No to the Nolasco's, Bundy's, Archer's, Morrison's, Lynn's and Donaldson's of the FA world.  They will make no difference in the win column.  Better to bank the funds the Twins otherwise would have spent on Correa, play the kids, see what happens, and then maybe go for it next year.  Of course, this assumes that any premium free agent would want to sign to play in Minnesota.  The reality is that they do not.

[Heiny]

My take;  I don't blame Correa for taking that kind of contract.  I don't blame the Twins for not getting it done.  I wish Correa, Turner, Bogarts, Judge, and any other long term contract signer happy lives and prosperity.  However,  I hope that on the field they fail miserably.  Something has to put an end to these stupid, ridiculous, asinine contracts.  I will still be a Twins fan and I will attend many games at Target Field even though I have to drive 180 miles each way, home/and back.  I will watch as many of the remainder of the games as I can on tv until my cable company can no longer afford to broadcast them.  And I think that scenario is coming sooner than I would hope.  I am a Twins fan but I don't actually expect them to be competitve the way things stand.  I think our best bet is to concentrate on drafting wisely and building our teams from within.  Our windows for winning have been boarded up by the crazy state of baseball business.  "Which stage am I in?"  Probably depression!!

[nicksaviking]

50 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Twins won't even promote guys as aggressively as the Braves when they lose 4-6 OFers....

Not one player on this roster deserves the kind of deals the Braves hand out. Arraez has bad knees. Ryan is a pitcher. That's it among the young players, isn't it? I mean, Jeffers, Gordon, all the pitchers, Larnach, Kiriloff? None of them should get an extension at this point. Lewis hasn't been able to walk / run for two years now. 

Yeah, maybe you extend Lewis or Miranda, but not after year one, and neither have done ANYTHING near what all those young Atlanta players have done. As much as I like Joe Ryan, he's too old to extend. He'll already be well past 30 when his control is over.

[Linus]

I’m happy we didn’t sign him. Now we can build a team which they wouldn’t do if they signed Correa. What’s weird is that the FO thought they were going to sign him for less than $300 million. That’s delusional. As soon as Seager signed his contract you knew it was going way past that number. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Linus said:

I’m happy we didn’t sign him. Now we can build a team which they wouldn’t do if they signed Correa. What’s weird is that the FO thought they were going to sign him for less than $300 million. That’s delusional. As soon as Seager signed his contract you knew it was going way past that number. 

Like what team? What do you want them to do to be a legit playoff team in the next 2-4 years? 

[Linus]

2 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Like what team? What do you want them to do to be a legit playoff team in the next 2-4 years? 

Sign Eovaldi or Rodon. Sign two stud relievers and get a right handed hitting outfielder. I’m happy they signed Vasquez as that was a must. 
point of clarification I liked Correa and would love it they would sign and take the steps I listed. I have zero confidence that would have happened. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Linus said:

Sign Eovaldi or Rodon. Sign two stud relievers and get a right handed hitting outfielder. I’m happy they signed Vasquez as that was a must. 
point of clarification I liked Correa and would love it they would sign and take the steps I listed. I have zero confidence that would have happened. 

Thanks, I don't see them signing Rodon to a 6-7 year deal. They passed on EVERY great pitcher last year, despite it being the best FA class ever. And, for less money than Rodon will take.....

Eovaldi? Is that really going to make them a great team with no SS? Which OF do you want? I'm not sure any of them are better than their existing options at this point.

[Linus]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

Thanks, I don't see them signing Rodon to a 6-7 year deal. They passed on EVERY great pitcher last year, despite it being the best FA class ever. And, for less money than Rodon will take.....

Eovaldi? Is that really going to make them a great team with no SS? Which OF do you want? I'm not sure any of them are better than their existing options at this point.

You are spot on about last year. I’m not saying they are going to do what I suggested rather that is what I would do. I wanted Haniger but they were distracted by Correa. I would take Wil Myers. I know that’s not great but this is the situation we are in. 

[roger]

None of the above for me, Nick.

Expecting his contract to be 300M, plus, and 10 or more years I didn’t want the Twins to have anything to do with him.  Would have been disappointed had they taken the Twins 285M offer.

Why, paying out 28M in those last 3-5 years would destroy the Twins just when they were looking for dollars to extend Lewis, Lee, Rodriguez, SWR, Varland, Priellip, et.al.  Heck there is a real chance Lewis will be better than Correa three or four years from now.  

[h2oface]

Will Twins fans boo him again like before 2022, and like every other team rightfully does except Houston? or is the Kool-Aid permanent?

I'll bet Lewis and Lee are happy as can be.

[h2oface]

5 hours ago, lukeduke1980 said:

I thought the Royce Lewis experience last season was the most exciting Twins baseball since bomba ball.  Figure out how to get and keep that young man healthy and build around him.

We might have seen Lewis play all year better than Correa, IF he wasn't moved to the outfield with little experience and ran into the wall. One could say that it was because of Correa that Lewis is out again. Put me in the satisfied column that Correa will not me retruning. 

[Teflon]

And once Dansby Swanson signs with the Cubs we can go through the 12 steps of recovery.

[dxpavelka]

8 hours ago, ziggy said:

Carlos said all the right things, did all the right things but in the end he did what's best for him and I can't blame him. Remember, he only came to Minnesota because he sees the ball well in Target Field. It was the springboard he needed for a better batting average and the big contract. I don't blame the Twins one bit for not matching  $350 million. I wish him well.

 

8 hours ago, Dave Overlund said:

I honestly am not a Correa guy between the cheating and clearly using the Twins as a stepping stone for bigger and better things. 
 

However, I fear people breathing sighs of relief over the length and size of the contract are simply denying the current and future financial state of the sport. 
 

The days of hometown discounts and loyalty are over. It’s no longer the game we watched as kids, on the field or off the field. 
 

The Twins and their leadership need to adapt or be left behind. More and more teams are spending like “big market” teams. Again, join or be left behind in my opinion. 
 

It’s wild that the Timberwolves roster of 15 people ($147 million) in a capped sport is (as of today per Spotrac) almost $100 million more than the Twins 40 man in an uncapped sport.
 

Same market size right? 

Wait?  A player used a team as a stepping stone for bigger and better things?  Say it ain't so.  Next thing you know a team will do the same to a player.

[rv78]

Last year Correa was a gift that fell into Falvines lap. There was no way they were actually going to try to bring him back. $285M was a good offer but they knew it wouldn't be good enough. So they are once again in the boat of saying "we tried". I for one am not disappointed at all. Never really wanted him in the first place and definitely didn't want him back. So they still need a SS, big deal. They also need an Ace, another stud for the bullpen, a LF, a player who can play CF full-time, a RF who can hit, and a power guy at 1B. Until they tackle and solve all of those problems areas this team isn't going anywhere even if they had a Correa at SS.

[JD-TWINS]

On 12/14/2022 at 12:06 PM, Dave Overlund said:

I honestly am not a Correa guy between the cheating and clearly using the Twins as a stepping stone for bigger and better things. 
 

However, I fear people breathing sighs of relief over the length and size of the contract are simply denying the current and future financial state of the sport. 
 

The days of hometown discounts and loyalty are over. It’s no longer the game we watched as kids, on the field or off the field. 
 

The Twins and their leadership need to adapt or be left behind. More and more teams are spending like “big market” teams. Again, join or be left behind in my opinion. 
 

It’s wild that the Timberwolves roster of 15 people ($147 million) in a capped sport is (as of today per Spotrac) almost $100 million more than the Twins 40 man in an uncapped sport.
 

Same market size right? 

My assumption is that Twins vs. Wolves annual salary spend is more like $40-$50 million less as of today not $100 million less but Twins have twice as many games and ability to put 2.5 times as many people in the seats for any one game. Even with tickets being more affordable in MLB, your point on $ availability for Twins makes sense.

TWINS, after Vázquez signing, should have $40 million left to spend and meet budget. Eovaldi for $22 million - Fulmer for $8 million & $ left over to extend, Gray - Maeda - Mahle going forward based on ‘23 performance through May/June. IF this was the plan, it would be a great offseason with reason to be excited about our ‘23 season.

Maybe a DH - spot defender like Evan Longoria for a year at $8 million? Maybe an incentive deal with a $4 million base for Nelson Cruz - just off corrective eye surgery……..maybe worth rolling the dice for an older guy that has some potential pop……low $ risk??

[ashbury]

On 12/14/2022 at 9:20 AM, FritzDahmus said:

If you have to now cope....because you thought this was going to happen...........you have a serious problem as a Twins sports writer.

We need objective stories from this web site....not mind numbing cheer leading. 

No, I did not read this article. So if this was a parody....I apologize. But I doubt it was.

 

I didn't read your post - I stopped after "If" - but I'm pretty sure I didn't like it. ?

[deanlambrecht]

On 12/14/2022 at 10:48 AM, EGFTShaw said:

<snip>

I've moved on. <snip>

Sadly, I must admit I'm moving on from both the Twins and MLB.  I have little hope for the future of MLB.  The situation with Correa is just a symptom of a much larger problem that is unlikely to be solved IMO - I frankly didn't think signing Correa was a great idea for any team at the stupid price he commands in the current league structure. 

As for the Pohlad's, they won't see another penny from me until they commit to wholesale change and demand changes to the league itself.  If nothing is done to require competitive balance it's lights out for Twins and MLB.  Sad.  The game I loved is literally dying before my eyes.