Terry Ryan had good things to say about Kyle Gibson from Ryan's visit to Rochester:

 

"He's 100 percent," Ryan said Tuesday, April 23. "There's no question -- his arm, delivery, his mechanics. Everything is in good order, which is encouraging."

 

"I was encouraged by what I saw of him," Ryan said.

 

Ryan also discussed reliever Tim Wood, who Ryan said "looked sharp":

 

With the Twins' bullpen thriving, there is no hurry to activate Wood, who is out of minor league options.

 

"I tried to explain that to him," Ryan said. "I think he's understanding of that. He needs mound time. He hasn't been out there too much lately."

 

Minnesota Twins' Kyle Gibson looking good in Rochester - TwinCities.com

How much time do they have before they make a decision? I thought it was 20 days from the time his rehab started on the 20th, after which, they have to either activate him or DFA him. But I'm not sure.

Pitchers get 30 days, position players get 20.

The results don't seem to indicate Gibson is 100%. Before he comes up with the Twins he needs to get his control under control (heh, that was on purpose).

Pitchers get 30 days, position players get 20.

 

Good, we get until May 20 or so to make a decision. By then, the situation should be clearer.

The results don't seem to indicate Gibson is 100%. Before he comes up with the Twins he needs to get his control under control (heh, that was on purpose).

 

He is 100% healthy is what he meant, I believe.

Good, we get until May 20 or so to make a decision. By then, the situation should be clearer.

 

Exactly right. There so often is an injury or a lack of performance or something that makes it clear what needs to happen at that time.

Is there a certain cutoff date we have to get past with Gibson where we could happen to see him swapped with Pelfrey if Pelfrey doesn't improve? Just curious if the two switching is a realistic possibility.

Is there a certain cutoff date we have to get past with Gibson where we could happen to see him swapped with Pelfrey if Pelfrey doesn't improve? Just curious if the two switching is a realistic possibility.

 

It varies a little by year, but conventional wisdom says if we wait until May 1, we get another year of control, not that the Twins really care about that. I think the bigger concern is whether he's ready or not. IMHO, he is close. Give Pelfrey at least one more start before you swap them out.

It varies a little by year, but conventional wisdom says if we wait until May 1, we get another year of control, not that the Twins really care about that. I think the bigger concern is whether he's ready or not. IMHO, he is close. Give Pelfrey at least one more start before you swap them out.

 

My thoughts too on one more start. If he bombs again, how can you not switch the two out?

What screams "I'm ready" in Gibson's results? He's had one quality start out of 4 so far, the only game he even pitched into the 6th inning, he's walked a bunch of guys and there is no reason to bring him up right now. He's not ready.

What screams "I'm ready" in Gibson's results? He's had one quality start out of 4 so far, the only game he even pitched into the 6th inning, he's walked a bunch of guys and there is no reason to bring him up right now. He's not ready.

 

Neither is Pelfrey from what we have seen.

Neither is Pelfrey from what we have seen.

I believe De Vries and Deduno are ready when they are healthy.

I believe De Vries and Deduno are ready when they are healthy.

 

Do we know any status updates of the two of them? I feel like I haven't heard news regarding them in quite some time.

Do we know any status updates of the two of them? I feel like I haven't heard news regarding them in quite some time.

 

According to Phil Miller yesterday, De Vries makes his first rehab start today in extended spring training. Miller says De Vries is expected to make three starts. Miller also said that Deduno threw 50 pitches on Wednesday.

I don't think Gibson is coming up this year. Between the fact that he's on an innings limit and the fact that he is still not effective in AAA, there's no reason to waste his service time.

there is an unhealthy obsession with service time around here.

I don't think Gibson is coming up this year. Between the fact that he's on an innings limit and the fact that he is still not effective in AAA, there's no reason to waste his service time.

 

I wouldn't read too much into four starts, two good, two so-so. I trust Terry Ryan's judgement when he says that he's close. And if he is on an innings limit, why waste them in AAA?

 

My main thing is he needs to be ready to take the ball every fifth day next year. The best way for him to get ready for next year is to face major league hitters. As long as he won't get toasted when he's up here, I would prefer having him start over the more polished guys with little or no upside.

 

All that said, there's plenty of opportunity up here to go around for Deduno and DeVries even with Gibson coming up to take the spot of Pelfrey or hernandez. Probably not both at the same time, though. We'll find out today how well Hernandez fares against one of the top line-ups in the league. Pelfrey has to pitch better to keep his spot.

there is an unhealthy obsession with service time around here.

 

Service time matters when it's a not-ready-for-prime-time Carlos Gomez at age 22 or so. I agree with you that it's hardly relevant for a 25-year-old like Kyle Gibson.

I don't see how this is an unhealthy obsession with service time. Gibson is going to be shut down in Aug/Sept. While his peripherals were good, he didn't dominate AAA his last time around, and thus far he's not dominating it now. By the time he's back and actually ready, how many more innings will he have left? My guess is that it will be well under 100. Calling him up this year to be honest makes little sense as he's going to get shut down, wasting a year's worth of service time. Like it or not, this matters, and I fail to see how it is in the teams best interest, or even his best interest to spend that time up north. If he was destroying AAA hitters, possibly. But he's not. Barring massive injuries, I'm not seeing how he gets called up.

Well, we'll already have him till he's 32, at least. If he's worth keeping, we can extend him with one contract and he'll already be in his mid-late 30s. If he's not worth keeping, we already have all of his prime years and found him not worth keeping...

 

service time issues are extremely important to true low budget teams which we aren't....teams that force themselves to be low budget don't count, they aren't low budget because they HAVE to be.

 

With how our team is going to be budgeted in the next 4-6 years, we hardly need to worry about gaining one more year from a 25 year old pitcher who hasn't even started his MLB career yet.

Edited April 27, 201313 yr by ThePuck

And I think we're talking past one another by not finding the middle grounds between "obsession" and "not a factor" for service time. It's an issue Terry Ryan must consider, but in the case of Gibson it's a second-order consideration; things that actually affect/enhance his development rate higher.

I liked your post and really like the vaulter.

Gibson pitched the Wings to a 1-0 win today, with six-innigs of of two-hit ball against the best hitting teal in the IL.

 

Gibson, Bigley lead Wings to 1-0 win | Rochester Red Wings News

Great news on Gibson. I agree that service time is a consideration, but far from the only consideration. At Gibson's age it isn't as important as it would/will be for guys like Berrios, Sano, Rosario, and Buxton. I have thought all along that when Kyle is ready, he can force himself into the rotation. The primary consideration, I think, is an innings limit and how that will work with Gibson being in the rotation.

I don't see how service time matters at his age. The Twins already have the extra year of control. They are not going to wait until July to guarantee he is not a super 2 if he is pitching well.

 

I think we will see him soon. It looks like he has progressed well in his recovery from surgery.

I believe that service time always matters if you have the expectation that the player will be a long term fixture as a full-time player.

 

With that said, they're on the verge of getting another year of service time from Gibson this season. I don't see him getting the call and playing enough this season to NOT extend his service time. Therefore, it's really a moot point.

Isn't Gibson still building up arm strength? If so are the Twins really that concerned with results? They know what he has, it's just a matter of time before he's up.

Gibson pitched the Wings to a 1-0 win today, with six-innigs of of two-hit ball against the best hitting teal in the IL.

 

Gibson, Bigley lead Wings to 1-0 win | Rochester Red Wings News

 

Wait, the Redwings aren't the best hitting team in the IL?!?

and really like the vaulter.

 

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