Would you Trade Correa this year?

[SkyBlueWaters]

I think Correa's contract also has a limited no-trade clause, yeah? Something like five teams? Granted, that leaves 24 others, but it wouldn't take an ivy league education for his camp to look at the contenders, see who needs an SS, and block most viable trades, if they wanted to. 

If Royce Lewis were still healthy, I'd feel a bit better about this option. 

[Shaitan]

No.

[Shaitan]

3 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Correa is GONE after this year if he plays well and is healthy. Absolutely, 100%, guaranteed. The Twins will not pony up $150MM+ for him, and that's what he'll get.

Is he going to be healthy? Nobody can predict that.

He's already been on the list twice (IL/Covid). It's not hard to imagine he gets hurt again and the Twins are "stuck" with him for 3 years (if I remember all the contract what-ifs correctly).

[baul0010]

4 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Correa is GONE after this year if he plays well and is healthy. Absolutely, 100%, guaranteed. The Twins will not pony up $150MM+ for him, and that's what he'll get.

I think he'll be after 300mil+.  He was the number 1 free agent this past winter.  I think if it was only 150 Mil we'd be insane for not signing him!

 

But, I agree, the Twins won't step up.

[baul0010]

2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

No for the following reasons

#1  I firmly believe we'll be in the post season, the time to have CC is in the post season. He's been there & done that. We don't know when we'll have another opportunity like this.

#2 CC rental won't make it worth it for us to trade him

#3 The market for CC is competing teams so they'll want to trade their prospects. We are in a 40 man crunch with abundance of good redundant  prospects & players. So we don't need any more prospects, we need upgrades at SP, RP and catching. IMO we have a very underrated farm system.

#4 Competing teams already have their SS that's why they're there. another words there won't be any market for him.

 

 

#3 and 4 are nuts.  If your add top prospects for from another team, I'm sure we could find someone to drop from the 40 man.  And, we could trade for prospects not needing to be added to the 40 man roster.  

Every team could add Carlos.  The dodgers added Trea Turner last year and they had Corey Seager.  I could see the dodgers adding Carlos just for shits and giggles.  

I wish we could lock him up long term.  I just don't see that happening and it seems like a waste if he walks.  I hope I'm wrong and we decide this year we will win a postseason series...for the first time since 2002.

[Cap'n Piranha]

4 hours ago, James said:

You never know on the WS.  I wouldn't bet on it, but crazy things happen in the playoffs.  

Also, Correa is in charge of his own contract,  IF (BIG IF) he really loves it in MN, he might play it out another year when the free agent SS market isn't as filled with big stars.  If he waits until after next season, he'll still get a big contract without having to compete with Xandar Bogarts, Trea Turner, Tim Anderson, and more for the top contracts, and he still would probably have the highest AAV.  

So, no to the trade.  If you think you're getting to the playoffs, you're not trading your starting SS just because he might opt out.  

I will bet you a Million dollars the Twins won't beat the Yankees in the World Series.

[Linus]

No way I trade him. This division is eminently winnable even if they hit the skids for a bit. And yes the playoffs CAN be a crapshoot. 

[Vanimal46]

9 minutes ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

I will bet you a Million dollars the Twins won't beat the Yankees in the World Series.

I’ll take this bet. Since it is impossible to have 2 AL teams in the World Series, I’ll take Zelle or Venmo for my payment. 

[terrydactyls]

3 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

How will it be better next year without him all year? 

?????  I never gave any opinion about next year being better or being worse.  I really do not understand your question.

[prouster]

This again? Weren’t there like two threads asking this exact same question a couple weeks ago?

[Richie the Rally Goat]

4 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

Have to agree the question can't be answered without this context and I would add that one other key consideration needs to be known and that's the return.  What if the Yankees would trade Volpe?  It's not going to happen.  I am just saying it seems silly to answer this question without knowing all of the things you listed and most importantly ... What's the trade offer?

Agreed, but you almost never see major leaguer for major leaguer trades.

prospects are the currency of trades, so it is understandable the knee jerk reactions.

[Bigfork Twins Guy]

Don't trade him, try to sign him to a mid-term (like 4-5 year) contract.  If he does not want to take that, and decides to opt out, let him walk and wait for Lewis .  I'd prefer we try to keep him if possible.  You don't want to send a message to other FA's that if they sign here we will just dump them when convenient for the Twins, but the price needs to work within our budget.

[tony&rodney]

This is really easy. No.

[Mike Sixel]

3 hours ago, terrydactyls said:

?????  I never gave any opinion about next year being better or being worse.  I really do not understand your question.

You said trade him this year because they aren't good enough... How will they be good enough next year without him all year. 

[a-wan]

9 hours ago, Squirrel said:

No

This 

[bean5302]

6 hours ago, Shaitan said:

Is he going to be healthy? Nobody can predict that.

He's already been on the list twice (IL/Covid). It's not hard to imagine he gets hurt again and the Twins are "stuck" with him for 3 years (if I remember all the contract what-ifs correctly).

Past tense. There's nothing to predict because if Correa was healthy... he was healthy.

Now the Twins can hope a healthy and hot Correa gets hurt after the deadline so not trading him will keep him here. A post deadline injury may reduce Correa's value and make him more likely to opt-in... but that seems like kind of a shitty way to think about things not to mention the injury could drag into the following season(s) and make Correa's $35MM/yr contract pretty burdensome. That scenario is largely a lose-lose.

[Cap'n Piranha]

7 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

I’ll take this bet. Since it is impossible to have 2 AL teams in the World Series, I’ll take Zelle or Venmo for my payment. 

Precisely my point—I am betting the Twins won’t beat the Yankees in the World Series.  As the Twins will never play the Yankees in the World Series, they will therefore never beat them in the World Series.  As you took the bet (meaning you think the Twins will beat the Yankees in the World Series), is is I who is owed the payment.  Except for me, it’s gotta be straight cash homey.

[RaoulDuke]

Sign him if you are trying to contend.  Trade him if you are trying to win divisions. 

Buxton/ Correa window with the pitching pipeline starting to produce is pretty intriguing.  Spend some prospects and get a real #1 pitcher and this core could be championship worthy.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

I do not want the Twins to continuously be living on "Someday Isle". Someday I'll win the pennant, but not this year.  Someday I'll win the World Series, but not this year. Therefore, since we can't ever beat the Yankees, let's write off the second half of this season, because we will lose to the Yankees anyway. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! I have never seen a SS on the Twins that is better than Correa. His top of the order offense, his defense (voted best of all players in the American League last year), his winning attitude, his encouragement to the other players, all are exceptional. 

[terrydactyls]

10 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

You said trade him this year because they aren't good enough... How will they be good enough next year without him all year. 

My opinion was to trade him this year if he was not going to stay in Minnesota for the 2023 season.  I didn't give any opinion about how good they would be next year.

[Trov]

I just wanted to add in that I would not trade him, as long as still in place to make playoffs.  I doubt the return for him would be worth giving up what he would add to the team in the playoffs.  I am not a push all in and try to upgrading all the pitching either.  I say ride it out, see how it goes. 

[dex8425]

The Twins won't and shouldn't trade him. Twins will be in the playoffs this year. He's arguably the most important/valuable player on the team, especially now that Lewis is out for the year. If the Twins get Maeda and Alcala into the bullpen, maybe a deadline deal or two for a closer and Ryan, Gray, Archer are options to start a playoff series, anything can happen. Twins played the Yankees, Rays, Blue Jays above .500 without their three best starting pitchers. 

[Major League Ready]

13 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

You said trade him this year because they aren't good enough... How will they be good enough next year without him all year. 

By investing the money where it produces equal or higher value.  There are many examples of an elite player leaving and the team getting better.  Washington won the WS the year after Harper left, for example,  The Cardinals had 4 great years after Pujlos left.  The Royals and James Shields.  Boston after Betts was traded and of course the year after trading Berrios.

I don't think they trade him but to come to any conclusion without knowing the many variables mentioned earlier and knowing the return is not exactly rational. 

[Mike Sixel]

23 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

By investing the money where it produces equal or higher value.  There are many examples of an elite player leaving and the team getting better.  Washington won the WS the year after Harper left, for example,  The Cardinals had 4 great years after Pujlos left.  The Royals and James Shields.  Boston after Betts was traded and of course the year after trading Berrios.

I don't think they trade him but to come to any conclusion without knowing the many variables mentioned earlier and knowing the return is not exactly rational. 

It wasn't a rhetorical question, it was "ok, if you trade the best SS in the game because they aren't good enough, how do you make the team better?".......like, what, specifically and realistically do you think the team does?

There are also examples of teams being worse when losing elite players....

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

It wasn't a rhetorical question, it was "ok, if you trade the best SS in the game because they aren't good enough, how do you make the team better?".......like, what, specifically and realistically do you think the team does?

There are also examples of teams being worse when losing elite players....

Who is the specific SS you use this year (when actually leading the division) and next year? How do you get better play, when losing one of the twenty best players in the game (not possibly, but likely)? 

[DJL44]

17 hours ago, prouster said:

This again? Weren’t there like two threads asking this exact same question a couple weeks ago?

I'm going to guess this gets brought up every couple weeks until the trade deadline

[bean5302]

I don't feel like a lot of people who want to keep Correa are being realistic in this thread. Correa was never expected to be here next year.

1 yr $35MM with an additional 1 yr $35MM player option for an age 28 All Star caliber SS. That's what Correa would have to opt into at the end of the year. The options were always a risk and always bad for the Twins. The only reason Correa opts in is because he can't get more in free agency. If he can't get more in free agency that means he's severely hurt or had a terrible season.

Signing Correa to a new contract is not an option because the Twins are not going to pony up that kind of money. This is what top SS contracts looked like last year, and this year the market is much tighter.
Marcus Semien a31 = 7yrs $175MM
Trevor Story a29 = 6yrs $140MM
Corey Seager a28 = 10yrs $325MM
Javier Baez a29 = 6yrs $140MM

Correa will get north of $150MM, probably north of $200MM though I don't think he will encroach on Seager, but let's get a little realistic.

[DJL44]

15 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

I don't feel like a lot of people who want to keep Correa are being realistic in this thread. Correa was never expected to be here next year.

I know it's a one year deal. The Twins are in first place, they shouldn't trade starting players away just because they will be free agents next season. They should try to win in the only season they'll have the best SS in the history of the franchise under contract. It's a miracle they have him at all. Don't throw that away.

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

I know it's a one year deal. The Twins are in first place, they shouldn't trade starting players away just because they will be free agents next season. They should try to win in the only season they'll have the best SS in the history of the franchise under contract. It's a miracle they have him at all. Don't throw that away.

This. Unless Miami is trading their best SP for him......but that's not happening. 

[twins_89]

I think the Twins either need to trade Correa or trade for a top of the rotation starter. I don't see the current starter group being ready to win a playoff series, so the decision needs to be made whether to go for it this year or to build for the future.