Also, "laissez faire" does not mean lazy. Dunno how it came to be used interchangeably in this way (probably due to its phonetic sound)... It means "leave me be", which Worley is obviously not doing in regards to his weight, as he's working extensively with his fiancee to portion meals and cook healthier dishes, not to mention working extensively with the Phillies nutritionist and his own trainer...

 

/petpeevewordusage

Brock, why did you infer anyone meant lazy from laissez-faire? I went back and looked again, and still don't pick that up.

Brock, why did you infer anyone meant lazy from laissez-faire? I went back and looked again, and still don't pick that up.

 

Mr Brooks' usage of the word... He referred to Worley's attitude as "laissez faire", which doesn't make any sense using the definition of the phrase. After all, the article in question mentioned how Worley has gone outside his comfort zone and pursued help from multiple sources to combat his eating habits. Or maybe Mr Brooks is just ignoring most of that article in favor of focusing on the "I like to eat" line.

 

Either way, that is not appropriate usage of the phrase. Anyway, I've heard "laissez faire" used many times in place of "nonchalant" or "unmotivated" and assumed that was the case here as well (in a way, I was giving Brooks the benefit of the doubt by assuming he was mis-using a single phrase instead of intentionally ignoring several paragraphs of text).

Mr. Brooks--what do you want Worley to say? Something like "I suck, I've lost all confidence in my ability to get batters out"? From what I heard, he didn't alibi for the weather. Somebody fed him a softball about bloop hits and he agreed with them. I am not impressed with Worley's skill set--to me he's basically Carlos Silva when he wasn't getting ground ball outs--but he competes. Dude needs to make adjustments and if he doesn't "Vanimal" will be a punch line, much like "Nishi". Do give him some credit for the success he has had especially with a home park that turns medium fly balls into three run homers.

with the rainout today and a couple days off in the next 10 days, it makes sense to go with a 4 man rotation. Get Hendriks some work in Rochester and call him up again in 15 days.

no big deal to me.

 

Im not getting where the controversy is

I don't like or hate Hendriks. I know that he is the youngest of the group of candidates, including Deduno, Walters, and De Vries, and the one with the best minor league resume. Hernandez may or may not be a better option than all of them and the Twins kept him instead of Hendriks--I am not going to dispute their decision. I basically agree with Brock's assessment of Liam's major league performance. I think he has enough to be a middle of the rotation guy, but it hasn't happened yet and his performance this year hasn't shown any major improvement. I think he'll get more chances and I hope he steps up.

with the rainout today and a couple days off in the next 10 days, it makes sense to go with a 4 man rotation. Get Hendriks some work in Rochester and call him up again in 15 days.

no big deal to me.

 

Im not getting where the controversy is

 

I don't see Hernandez as a bullpen guy. I know at one point, Gardy said "he's gotta start", but I'm sure things can change. I kind of like what he has to offer, although he's not overpowering.

I don't like or hate Hendriks. I know that he is the youngest of the group of candidates, including Deduno, Walters, and De Vries, and the one with the best minor league resume. Hernandez may or may not be a better option than all of them and the Twins kept him instead of Hendriks--I am not going to dispute their decision. I basically agree with Brock's assessment of Liam's major league performance. I think he has enough to be a middle of the rotation guy, but it hasn't happened yet and his performance this year hasn't shown any major improvement. I think he'll get more chances and I hope he steps up.

 

I don't hate Hendriks either. My only point is that he's the last guy on the list and that makes him the first to be sent down when an established guy is ready to join the roster.

I think Brock needs to find a new word filter for "Scholarship". I'm not sure what the scholarship debate is. With Diamond coming up (who I might add has a scholarship), someone needed to go down. I do think Hendricks needs to be pitching every day, and I do think that at one point, he's going to need to get an extended look in the majors, but to argue that sending Worley down in favor of Hendricks is just silly. One has an established track record. One doesn't. The guy coming up has a better track record too I might add, though I suspect there will be people with a lot less confidence in him by the end of the season...

 

That said, if there's a reason to be angry, perhaps it should be at the GM who assembled this group of pitchers. Most of us could see this implosion happening.

Not really important--or terribly on topic, but it HAS taken up 2/3 of this thread--but Worley is quickly becoming one of my least favorite all time Twins players. His body language on the mound in his last start was pathetic, he's overweight, and I also found his post game comments disgusting. I see a sort of sense of entitlement that I find distasteful.

Not really important--or terribly on topic, but it HAS taken up 2/3 of this thread--but Worley is quickly becoming one of my least favorite all time Twins players. His body language on the mound in his last start was pathetic, he's overweight, and I also found his post game comments disgusting. I see a sort of sense of entitlement that I find distasteful.

 

Which is fine... It doesn't really bother me but I can see how it would bother others.

 

Still, there's a significant gap between "I don't like Worley" and "the Twins should demote Worley in favor of one of the worst starters in the game over the past 12 months".

"the Twins should demote Worley in favor of one of the worst starters in the game over the past 12 months".

 

Liriano's back?

Liriano's back?

 

As sad as it is to say, Liriano was better than Hendriks last season.

As sad as it is to say, Liriano was better than Hendriks last season.

 

Ah Hendricks. When you say "One of the ten worst starters in baseball" in regards to the Twins you have to be FAR more specific. That could be, like, 6 or 7 guys.

This thread makes me weep for humanity.

Getting back to the subject at hand, I don't understand or agree with the decision to send Hendriks down. Regardless of how they've performed in their two respective appearances this year, Hendriks is a better pitcher than Pedro Hernandez, with a far better chance of figuring into the club's long-term plans. Ditto Cole De Vries, who I'm guessing will also get a roster spot ahead of Hendriks when he returns.

 

Gardenhire makes vague references to Hendriks needing to improve his "consistency," but in reality he just needs to figure out how to get major-league hitters out. The only way he has a chance to do that is by continuing to face them. He has nothing left to prove in Triple-A.

Getting back to the subject at hand, I don't understand or agree with the decision to send Hendriks down. Regardless of how they've performed in their two respective appearances this year, Hendriks is a better pitcher than Pedro Hernandez, with a far better chance of figuring into the club's long-term plans. Ditto Cole De Vries, who I'm guessing will also get a roster spot ahead of Hendriks when he returns.

 

Gardenhire makes vague references to Hendriks needing to improve his "consistency," but in reality he just needs to figure out how to get major-league hitters out. The only way he has a chance to do that is by continuing to face them. He has nothing left to prove in Triple-A.

 

I agree that consistency does not seem to be the problem with Hendriks. It seems to me that he should be working on an "out pitch" and/or keeping the ball low and on the corners. Maybe Rochester will be good for him if he can experiment a little there and make a favorable adjustment or two. Hendriks is not that old and a couple of weeks in Rochester might be a good thing for his career.

Getting back to the subject at hand, I don't understand or agree with the decision to send Hendriks down. Regardless of how they've performed in their two respective appearances this year, Hendriks is a better pitcher than Pedro Hernandez, with a far better chance of figuring into the club's long-term plans. Ditto Cole De Vries, who I'm guessing will also get a roster spot ahead of Hendriks when he returns.

 

Gardenhire makes vague references to Hendriks needing to improve his "consistency," but in reality he just needs to figure out how to get major-league hitters out. The only way he has a chance to do that is by continuing to face them. He has nothing left to prove in Triple-A.

This. What is the point of having Hendriks go back, again, to AAA where he'll look great. If anything this could be worse for his development because whatever he's getting away with down there is not fooling anyone up here.

This. What is the point of having Hendriks go back' date=' again, to AAA where he'll look great. If anything this could be worse for his development because whatever he's getting away with down there is not fooling anyone up here.[/quote']

 

I believe it's simple. The Twins likely only need a 4-man rotation over the next couple of weeks and Hendriks can stay on his regular starting schedule in AAA while Pedro Hernandez can provide a left-handed bullpen arm and spot-starting duty in the interim.

Also, "laissez faire" does not mean lazy.

/petpeevewordusage

 

Everything about the French is lazy.

 

Edit: Ha, sorry, just realized your name sounds a bit Frenchy!

 

As sad as it is to say, Liriano was better than Hendriks last season.

 

And Pavano, Marquis, Blackburn, Walters, Swarzak and Duensing. What I wouldn't give for a starter who could manage a 5.0 K/9 right now.

Edited April 15, 201313 yr by nicksaviking

I agree with jokin, they are sending him down because they don't need any pitchers for a week or so, so he gets to go to Rochester and pitch. When they need 5 starters again, and Hernandez is bad, Hendriks will be back (or Gibson, frankly). Really, this is more a demotion because Gibson will be ready when they need a 5th pitcher, than it is about Hernandez, imo.

 

Because heaven knows you have to keep room for Pelfrey and Correia.....

Everything about the French is lazy.

 

Edit: Ha, sorry, just realized your name sounds a bit Frenchy!

Don't be sorry. Brock's been called a lot worse than lazy. Actually, he might agree with you (I certainly do). **** you Frenchy!

I believe it's simple. The Twins likely only need a 4-man rotation over the next couple of weeks and Hendriks can stay on his regular starting schedule in AAA while Pedro Hernandez can provide a left-handed bullpen arm and spot-starting duty in the interim.

 

Good point about weather and schedule..Hendricks needs to get starts and confidence back. Going to Rochester will give him starts. If he does well, he can fight Gibson and Deduno etc. for the next opportunity to come up. Bu he has to do well. So far he has shown me nothing as a Twin,

Hendricks should be about out of chances. Hernandez can relieve, that is why he was kept here. 5th starter 2 weeks out, Hendricks needs to pitch, but still hope that either Gibson or Deduno is the next call up.

Hendriks is 23, not sure how he can be out of chances.....

Hendricks should be about out of chances. Hernandez can relieve, that is why he was kept here. 5th starter 2 weeks out, Hendricks needs to pitch, but still hope that either Gibson or Deduno is the next call up.

 

Look up the first two seasons of Santana and Viola. If Hendriks is out of chances, you would have given up on those too also.

Anyone feel any differently about Worley yet?

I'm sure it was just a random lucky guess on my part...

Anyone feel any differently about Worley yet?

I'm sure it was just a random lucky guess on my part...

 

I for one bow down to Mr. Brooks

Hendriks is the Joe Benson of the pitching staff as both coaches/front office have given up on him

Im still a big believer tho

Hendriks is the Joe Benson of the pitching staff as both coaches/front office have given up on him

Im still a big believer tho

 

I don't think they have given up on him. He does lack an out pitch and is currently hurt. That is probably holding him back.

 

I think his future is as a multi inning reliever. His stuff can play up and doesn't need to turn over a lineup three times.