What Impact Does Missed Baseball Have?

[chpettit19]

13 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Just $5MM, eh? Is that all? Except the MLBPA is trying to remove $200-300MM from revenue sharing which, combined with the additional $5MM you're guessing at here would put a bunch of teams in MLB underwater in terms of operating income.

The MLBPA has requested an additional $80MM for just the pre-arbitration players (roughly $3MM per team). MLB has already proposed an increased expenditure of $150MM for arbitration eligible players (roughly $5MM per team), though I'm not sure where that is at this point. Then there is the minimum salary increase proposed by the MLBPA which will cost each team approximately $3MM per team. That's $11MM per team in payroll right there. Seeing a reduction of $10MM in revenue sharing for the smaller market teams coupled with $11MM in additional expenditures sees an overall operating income swing of $21MM. That's catastrophic... You're talking pure expenses with zero revenue to offset it, and topping it off with a shortened season. 

If you don't understand how ludicrous the MLBPA's asks are, you're not doing the math or looking at the big picture.

Except both sides have agreed to expanded playoffs to increase league wide revenue, and revenue for teams who actually build good teams. The MLBPA agreed to allowing more advertising opportunities for the owners with helmet decals and/or jersey patches. I have no problem with you being "on the owners side," but you're misrepresenting a lot in this thread. 

Edited to add MLB just added another revenue stream with Apple TV+ and have thus restricted viewing access even more while pocketing what one could only assume is a massive amount of money. Those owners really out there losing tons of money in the name of bettering the game.

[tony&rodney]

8 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Just $5MM, eh? Is that all? Except the MLBPA is trying to remove $200-300MM from revenue sharing which, combined with the additional $5MM you're guessing at here would put a bunch of teams in MLB underwater in terms of operating income.

The MLBPA has requested an additional $80MM for just the pre-arbitration players (roughly $3MM per team). MLB has already proposed an increased expenditure of $150MM for arbitration eligible players (roughly $5MM per team), though I'm not sure where that is at this point. Then there is the minimum salary increase proposed by the MLBPA which will cost each team approximately $3MM per team. That's $11MM per team in payroll right there. Seeing a reduction of $10MM in revenue sharing for the smaller market teams coupled with $11MM in additional expenditures sees an overall operating income swing of $21MM. That's catastrophic... You're talking pure expenses with zero revenue to offset it, and topping it off with a shortened season. 

If you don't understand how ludicrous the MLBPA's asks are, you're not doing the math or looking at the big picture.

Was there anything in my post that seemed remotely personal? Why does it seem like your response indicates a total disdain for different thoughts due to your apparent hate for the union? I absolutely did not mean to offend in any way. Ironically, the opening line of an article in The Athletic today voices what I have said for some time, "The owners have already won." 

A look at the math or the big picture might be a good idea for you because your position has assumed that an agreement will include everything the players side initially sought. It might be a better idea to see what the revenues and roster salaries look like for 2022 and through the eventual CBA. I'm betting that there will be little change. If teams anticipate an overall swing of $21 million then you will see a roster budget of somewhere in the $90-110 million range this year for the Twins. The owners win either way and as I have previously stated it seems like both sides have lost their way regarding the health of the game. Cheers.

[dex8425]

I don't think the major issue with the game today has anything to do with the lockout. The games need to be available for as many people as possible. You need to improve access to the game- Buxton's outfield heroics and Guerrero's homers speak for themselves. You can't hide the games on Directv or cable that almost nobody under the age of 50 has anymore. Sure, you can stream for and pay for MLB.tv, but that's more expensive than netflix, and you can't watch your own team's games due to blackout restrictions! 

[Unwinder]

16 hours ago, Game7-91 said:

(what's up with that BTW-like WTH? The size of the bases? Really? I read something about injury concerns? Throwing a rock hard ball 100MPH at guy standing 60 ft distant is an injury concern too......I just don't get some of this. If anyone knows WTH the base size argument is about please enlighten me, I would be grateful.)

The rationale I had heard for the base sizes is that it'll shave a few inches off the base paths and make it slightly easier to reach base safely, tilting the game subtly in the favor of offense in a way that will be essentially invisible to fans. 

 

EDIT: Apparently it's also to prevent players from crashing into each other. An infielder with one foot on a base takes up most of the base, so a runner sliding into the base is likely to crash into him. With a roomier base, the defender and the runner can both touch the base and have a bit more space to avoid collisions.

[cHawk]

The biggest impact of Missed Baseball (for me) is that I don’t have any baseball to watch. That’s a problem.

[strumdatjag]

On 3/7/2022 at 10:57 AM, Heiny said:

I'm really having a difficult time understanding what this world is coming to.  "Now is a good time to stop reading,  cuz this is going to be a rant."   For perspective, I have raised 4 children, helped them all through college and helped them financially begin their adult lives.  We lived a moderate but comfortable life.  My wife and I have been able to retire comfortably at the age of 61.  And through 46 years of a working career, my lifetime earnings are less than three years of MLB minimum pay.            ( yeah,  I know.  you don't care".)  We have people out of work that can barely get by, we have people out of work because they are too lazy to get a job,  And on the other hand we have grown men playing a game for more money than is imaginable to "normal folks".  We also have billionaires, yes billionaires holding up a kids game because they want more??????  Really.  This is really happening?  I am having a hard time feeling anything but apathy for either side right now.   And as much as I love the game of baseball and even MLB,  I think I have had enough of their GREED.  So, my suggestion to MLB and the MLBPA -  It's time to get your stuff together before it's all gone.  Disgusting.

Some of those game-playing, grown men can throw fast balls over 93 mph, knee buckling breaking balls or both.   The rest of those men can hit those fast and crazy pitches better than 49,999 out of 50,000 people.   That is a much smaller percentage than the high percentage of people capable of teaching High School Social Studies.  Because of the extraordinary elite ability, millions of people will pay to see those grown men playing that game.   That is why, thise players expect to be paid elite level salaries.  

[Craig Arko]

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