8 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Sorry friend, none of this makes any sense to me. 

If he's healthy enough to be on any baseball field, he's healthy enough for that to be Target Field. 

He's not going to run slower in St Paul. Swing softer. A half dozen ABs makes zero difference getting ready to hit. If he can't run full speed, or play nine innings, or play every day, he shouldn't be playing at all.

 

So after not playing at all for a month he should go full speed without any ramp-up? By that logic there should be no need for spring training. Just have everyone get conditioned on their own and start the season. I guess this is one of those agree-to-disagree situations.

Players know the difference between rehab assignments (or spring training) and major league games. In the majors the instinct is to go all-out, and if the body is not fully healed from injury the risk of reinjury is significant. On a rehab assignment the instinct is not to overdo it to minimize that risk while still having the opportunity to be in game situations to sharpen timing and so forth.

18 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Thank God Shoemaker is going to the pen.

This comment aged well.

I don’t understand why rehab assignments are suddenly so controversial. This is how teams have brought players back from injury for decades. 

Another thought on this matter: only those who voted "Don't rebuild, continue to fight" on the "Blow it up?" poll would advocate for placing Buxton on the major league roster without a rehab assignment. The other 96.15% of us agree with the Twins that it's best to wait until he's truly ready.

10 minutes ago, Nine of twelve said:

Another thought on this matter: only those who voted "Don't rebuild, continue to fight" on the "Blow it up?" poll would advocate for placing Buxton on the major league roster without a rehab assignment. The other 96.15% of us agree with the Twins that it's best to wait until he's truly ready.

I think there's a middle ground, isn't there?  Acknowledge that the chances for 2021 are vanishingly small, but continue to fight the hopeless fight until other teams are ready to start wheeling and dealing.  I don't advocate jeopardizing Buxton, but there are benefits to continuing to field your best team as long as you can.

It's not unusual for rehab assignments to last more than a few days. between the forum here, twitter, and a couple of fb groups I'm in people seem to think one game is all a rehab is normally and that's just not true. Just because someone is hitting the hell out of the ball doesn't mean they're ready to go after a game or two. 

43 minutes ago, lecroy24fan said:

It's not unusual for rehab assignments to last more than a few days. between the forum here, twitter, and a couple of fb groups I'm in people seem to think one game is all a rehab is normally and that's just not true. Just because someone is hitting the hell out of the ball doesn't mean they're ready to go after a game or two. 

Considering the type of injury, I wouldn't rush it and then actually have a tear and be out for a long time like Luis Roberts

7 hours ago, Squirrel said:

Considering the type of injury, I wouldn't rush it and then actually have a tear and be out for a long time like Luis Roberts

He's playing. I'm not sure I understand how it is safer in St. Paul. That's why I think he can be in Minnesota...... But if he isn't ready, that's fine too. But to pretend it is any less likely he gets hurt in St Paul makes no sense. Plenty of minor league players get hurt....

23 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

He's playing. I'm not sure I understand how it is safer in St. Paul. That's why I think he can be in Minnesota...... But if he isn't ready, that's fine too. But to pretend it is any less likely he gets hurt in St Paul makes no sense. Plenty of minor league players get hurt....

He's on a rehab assignment, which is a bit different than a minor leaguer trying to prove himself ready for the next level of play. Maybe he's not playing at 100% yet. Do you think they are just keeping him there because ... why, exactly? Just because he's playing, doesn't mean he's ready. He's rehabbing. I don't know the extent to his play in St. Paul, nor do I know the extent of his medical reports. If you do, please enlighten us all. But I hope he's with the Twins soon.

55 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

He's playing. I'm not sure I understand how it is safer in St. Paul. That's why I think he can be in Minnesota...... But if he isn't ready, that's fine too. But to pretend it is any less likely he gets hurt in St Paul makes no sense. Plenty of minor league players get hurt....

Um he is playing in Minnesota.

13 hours ago, Squirrel said:

He's on a rehab assignment, which is a bit different than a minor leaguer trying to prove himself ready for the next level of play. Maybe he's not playing at 100% yet. Do you think they are just keeping him there because ... why, exactly? Just because he's playing, doesn't mean he's ready. He's rehabbing. I don't know the extent to his play in St. Paul, nor do I know the extent of his medical reports. If you do, please enlighten us all. But I hope he's with the Twins soon.

I literally said if he's not ready, that's fine.... My point is I can't see how he's safer there. Nothing more or less. 

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

I literally said if he's not ready, that's fine.... My point is I can't see how he's safer there. Nothing more or less. 

I wasn't making that point, either ... 

Just an aside to the conversation...Buck may never be 'ready' as we know it. When he is 'ready' he gets hurt on a regular basis. If they wait until he is 'perfect'...his history has shown it won't matter. His body apparently can't take the grind that he requires of it. Trying to muzzle that in any way is just a temporary 'fix' that won't work. If he isn't diving for balls, crashing into walls, running his behind off...he isn't Buxton. But with that comes the injuries. I don't think there is any solution to this.

Wish there was. As another aside...a few years ago Sano got sent to the Red Wings on a rehab. I recall we watched him totally butcher several plays at 3rd base and asking 'really'?? He also struck out here as frequently as up there.  He played a handful of games (very few) and he was back up. (Sano's body type quite a bit different than Buxton's!)

Looks like Byron Buxton is not playing for the Twins tonight.

 

On 6/11/2021 at 5:34 PM, Nine of twelve said:

Because in AAA a player can be told not to play to win but rather to play for his own rehabilitation. Because in AAA player can be told to ease up without repercussions regarding postseason aspirations of his team or of the opponent. Because in AAA a player can be pulled after two plate appearances without worries if that's in the player's best interest.

That's BS as far as Buxton is concerned.  Buxton plays all out.  They've been fortunate for him to learn and play it safer when it comes to dealing with the walls and fences.  Most injuries happen due to a single instance, not a multitude odf instances.  There is some responsibility as far as the team letting the fans see him at the MLB level.

I'm gonna take a guess and say that Buxton may have had a setback / isn't where he should be yet. *sighs*

During the broadcast they said Baldelli noted he is still experiencing "soreness".

On 6/11/2021 at 7:34 PM, Nine of twelve said:Because in AAA a player can be told not to play to win but rather to play for his own rehabilitation. Because in AAA player can be told to ease up without repercussions regarding postseason aspirations of his team or of the opponent. Because in AAA a player can be pulled after two plate appearances without worries if that's in the player's best interest.

His very first hit, he full sprinted a triple. Once he has his timing back, he should be playing for the Twins. Based on results, it’s hard to argue that he had his timing after two games. But if he’s constantly complaining that he’s still too sore to play every day (back-to-back, etc.) then he should not yet be on the Twins active roster...so, that must be the case.

14 hours ago, jkcarew said:

His very first hit, he full sprinted a triple. Once he has his timing back, he should be playing for the Twins. Based on results, it’s hard to argue that he had his timing after two games. But if he’s constantly complaining that he’s still too sore to play every day (back-to-back, etc.) then he should not yet be on the Twins active roster...so, that must be the case.

I disagree.  He can be sore playing in St. Paul or he can be sore playing in Minneapolis.  He is not benched in St. Paul, so what's the difference which side of the river he is on?  The difference is the St. Paul games are meaningless to his career and the better doctors, conditioning equipment, etc., are in Minneapolis.

I think everyone is all just very annoyed right now because this was supposed to be a fun season, it's been the exact opposite of fun and Buxton, one of the few players who still gives us joy is not playing.

 

8 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

I disagree.  He can be sore playing in St. Paul or he can be sore playing in Minneapolis.  He is not benched in St. Paul, so what's the difference which side of the river he is on?  The difference is the St. Paul games are meaningless to his career and the better doctors, conditioning equipment, etc., are in Minneapolis.

The point is, he can’t be taking an active roster spot until he can be at least ‘available’ to play every day.

And that’s why he still hasn’t been activated as of Tuesday evening. And so now he’s sitting in Seattle doing basically nothing. It’s a six game trip, if he’s not ready by Friday, they should have left him in St. Paul or Minneapolis, IMO.

He may never be 'not sore'. His career arc has been one injury after another...not hyperbole or exaggeration. The dude just can't stay healthy. There will be a limit though, to how much more of this the Twins can handle.

It just totally stinks that one of the most exciting players of this day...can't play. If they are 'babying; him (you all pick the correct term that suits it)  this much now, how can anyone possibly think he will be able to play much the rest of the season?

2 minutes ago, insagt1 said:

He may never be 'not sore'. His career arc has been one injury after another...not hyperbole or exaggeration. The dude just can't stay healthy. There will be a limit though, to how much more of this the Twins can handle.

It just totally stinks that one of the most exciting players of this day...can't play. If they are 'babying; him (you all pick the correct term that suits it)  this much now, how can anyone possibly think he will be able to play much the rest of the season?

Are they saving him, so they can trade him as healthy as possible?

On 6/11/2021 at 5:13 PM, sampleSizeOfOne said:

You did what i see here...

 

The answer to the question posed in the subject of the thread will eventually be yes, as tonight takes on a new meaning every 24 hour period.

And in Buxton's case, the answer could change every tonight, and is always relevant.

TD should just glue the answer to the top of the front page: Welcome to Twins Daily: Byron Buxton IS/IS NOT in the lineup!

13 hours ago, jkcarew said:

The point is, he can’t be taking an active roster spot until he can be at least ‘available’ to play every day.

And that’s why he still hasn’t been activated as of Tuesday evening. And so now he’s sitting in Seattle doing basically nothing. It’s a six game trip, if he’s not ready by Friday, they should have left him in St. Paul or Minneapolis, IMO.

He was playing every day, THAT'S the point.

Yes, if he is benched, he should not be with the Twins.  I believe I said this before?

All of this is/was very predictable. My question is, what is accomplished by sitting him or playing him at a lower level?

Another injury is inevitable so just play him when he can play and put him back on the il when he can't. Its not that complicated. They act like this is the final injury and once it is 100% mended Buxton is good to go for the rest of the season. Ha Ha Ha. Fool me once.....you know the rest. When its contract extension time make him an offer and let him walk.

15 hours ago, jkcarew said:

The point is, he can’t be taking an active roster spot until he can be at least ‘available’ to play every day.

And that’s why he still hasn’t been activated as of Tuesday evening. And so now he’s sitting in Seattle doing basically nothing. It’s a six game trip, if he’s not ready by Friday, they should have left him in St. Paul or Minneapolis, IMO.

They kept Refsnyder on the roster for 10 days in which he came off the DL played in 1 game and got hurt again and then was unavailable for several days, played in one more game and then went back on the DL. The idea they can't activate Buxton beause he might not play back to back games is ridiculous.

1 hour ago, Dodecahedron said:

He was playing every day, THAT'S the point.

Yes, if he is benched, he should not be with the Twins.  I believe I said this before?

He was NOT playing every day. I checked the box scores from last week to confirm. He played on 6/8, 6/10, and 6/12. He did not play on 6/9, 6/11, or 6/13.

 

Just now, howeda7 said:

They kept Refsnyder on the roster for 10 days in which he played in 1 game and got hurt and then was unavailable for several days, played in one more game and then went back on the DL. The idea they can't activate Buxton beause he might not play back to back games is ridiculous.

Apples and oranges. They were hoping Refsnyder would improve enough to get back to playing sooner, the idea being to avoid using the IL and possibly have to add someone to the 40-man. If they had another outfielder ready to go they probably would have put Refsnyder on the IL right away. The only outfielder on the 40-man not in the majors is Rooker and I'm sure they want someone who can play CF.

4 minutes ago, Nine of twelve said:

He was NOT playing every day. I checked the box scores from last week to confirm. He played on 6/8, 6/10, and 6/12. He did not play on 6/9, 6/11, or 6/13.

Good info.  Thanks for checking, I was under the impression he was playing every day.  In this case, he should not be with the team.

What is with this current breed anyway? Mickey Mantle ran over a sprinkler head in his prime and played many more years on a knee that would have this bunch whining and calling 911 because "it hurts".

Look at the NBA playoffs. These guys are all over developed, over weight trained and it has destroyed their durability and if something doesn't feel right the nurses come running from all directions. The players are now viewed as huge investments with lawyers ready to go and not as professional athletes whose job it is to show up and play.