Article: Could the Twins still trade Ben Revere?

[Mike Sixel]

Only three?

[Jim Crikket]

I suspect the "may need to get a CF in return" thing was pure speculation on Morosi's part. It wouldn't make any sense at all to take a lesser SP because the trade partner had to give up a CF, too. You get the best SP you can, period. But if CFs are in high demand right now and you think Revere is pretty much a 1-2 year bridge to Hicks or someone else coming up through the organization, you don't hesitate to make the deal now.

[Riverbrian]

Do you see what you did Puck!!! This runners running wild thing is running wild. lol.

 

Talker.. I'm ok with a deal of Revere if it brings back pitching.

 

If the rumors are true... I don't think Terry Ryan was knocking on the door asking... Someone or someone's must be reaching out to TR here but who knows.

 

Mastro can play this year... I like Mastro and would love to see what he did with an everyday gig. A decent outfielder can be picked up cheap until June or July when Hicks or whoever clears the arb thing.

 

If the trade brings back an OF'er... The reason for that would allude me.

 

I think the chance of getting an outfielder in return is nearly zero. Pitching is the obvious thing to pursue, followed by MI help.

 

Morosi is the source of this rumor. I'm kinda wondering about Morosi right now. His finish of the tweet saying the "Twins might be looking for a CF in return" is strange speculation.

 

I imagine if a team wants Ben... That means they don't have a CF to trade unless its a young one. We got plenty of young ones.

 

If a trade does happen... One thing is for sure... You and I will have a gauge on Bens true value at this moment.

[Oxtung]

Another interesting byproduct of trading Revere is how it would affect potential Morneau or Willingham trades at the deadline or next year. The assumption, to me, has always been that Morneau would likely be traded at the deadline this year as his salary becomes less of an issue. Then Parmelee would move to 1st and Hicks/Arcia/Benson would then step into the OF. If you move Revere before the season and still want to move Morneau/Willingham you now need a second of the Hicks/Arcia/Benson trio to be ready and to compete successfully. Getting 1 successful season out of the trio probably is doable. Getting 2 successful seasons becomes less likely. If Revere is moved I'd say we should expect to see Mastro and a AAAA player (did Bigley get resigned?) getting plenty of PT. I guess a washed up vet for a year is likely as well.

 

A second fallout from moving Revere is how uncertain our lineup becomes. 3B, SS, 2B, RF, CF would all be basically unknowns heading into the season. If you then want to trade Willingham or Morneau you are adding another uncertainty to the field. It is possible that by the second half of the season we'll see a team where the only stable and veteran players are Mauer and Doumit.

[Steve Penz]

"If the rumors are true... I don't think Terry Ryan was knocking on the door asking... Someone or someone's must be reaching out to TR here but who knows. "

 

 

I agree with this idea. And, he should listen. Revere is fun and exciting and still not a long-term solution. If the right deal is on the table then it needs to be considered. Its not about wanting to trade anybody, its what can the twins get.

[jay]

I suspect the "may need to get a CF in return" thing was pure speculation on Morosi's part. It wouldn't make any sense at all to take a lesser SP because the trade partner had to give up a CF, too. You get the best SP you can, period. But if CFs are in high demand right now and you think Revere is pretty much a 1-2 year bridge to Hicks or someone else coming up through the organization, you don't hesitate to make the deal now.

 

Here's a crazy idea to throw out... we know the Twins have room to take on some salary for '13 and even '14. What if Revere went to a team that also wants to shed a contract and that got us back a better prospect?

 

Angels are the first to mind with Vernon Wells. They'd have a nice outfield of Trout and Trumbo with Bourjos ® and Revere (L) and the salary savings would let them get another SP. We could easily ask for a pair of nice prospects in return.

 

Crazy?

[Shane Wahl]

Is a Revere for Hellickson trade possible?

 

Haha. No.

[Jim Crikket]

I suspect the "may need to get a CF in return" thing was pure speculation on Morosi's part. It wouldn't make any sense at all to take a lesser SP because the trade partner had to give up a CF, too. You get the best SP you can, period. But if CFs are in high demand right now and you think Revere is pretty much a 1-2 year bridge to Hicks or someone else coming up through the organization, you don't hesitate to make the deal now.

 

Here's a crazy idea to throw out... we know the Twins have room to take on some salary for '13 and even '14. What if Revere went to a team that also wants to shed a contract and that got us back a better prospect?

 

Angels are the first to mind with Vernon Wells. They'd have a nice outfield of Trout and Trumbo with Bourjos ® and Revere (L) and the salary savings would let them get another SP. We could easily ask for a pair of nice prospects in return.

 

Crazy?

 

Probably crazy, yeah. But it's not like this FO hasn't done crazy stuff before. It does seem a little "out there" for someone as conservative as Terry Ryan. I'm also not sure there's all that much room to take on salary in '13 unless Ryan really doesn't do anything except dumpster dive for pitching. By 2014 and certainly 2015, there would be a lot more room for this kind of move. By then, it may make more sense, too, if there's a particular position they feel they need to fill from outside the organization to augment all of the young kids coming up.

 

Keep thinking outside the box, though. Someone around here should do it and it's not likely to be the Twins FO.

[Shane Wahl]

Trading Revere right now is silly because he hasn't performed well enough to garner much of a return. Next offseason is the best bet.

 

I would love to see Revere-Hicks-Benson in the OF a few times in September.

[Shane Wahl]

I suspect the "may need to get a CF in return" thing was pure speculation on Morosi's part. It wouldn't make any sense at all to take a lesser SP because the trade partner had to give up a CF, too. You get the best SP you can, period. But if CFs are in high demand right now and you think Revere is pretty much a 1-2 year bridge to Hicks or someone else coming up through the organization, you don't hesitate to make the deal now.

 

Here's a crazy idea to throw out... we know the Twins have room to take on some salary for '13 and even '14. What if Revere went to a team that also wants to shed a contract and that got us back a better prospect?

 

Angels are the first to mind with Vernon Wells. They'd have a nice outfield of Trout and Trumbo with Bourjos ® and Revere (L) and the salary savings would let them get another SP. We could easily ask for a pair of nice prospects in return.

 

Crazy?

 

Probably crazy, yeah. But it's not like this FO hasn't done crazy stuff before. It does seem a little "out there" for someone as conservative as Terry Ryan. I'm also not sure there's all that much room to take on salary in '13 unless Ryan really doesn't do anything except dumpster dive for pitching. By 2014 and certainly 2015, there would be a lot more room for this kind of move. By then, it may make more sense, too, if there's a particular position they feel they need to fill from outside the organization to augment all of the young kids coming up.

 

Keep thinking outside the box, though. Someone around here should do it and it's not likely to be the Twins FO.

 

Yeah, I like that kind of wheeling and dealing and wish that people would consider spending to get prospects much more often.

[jay]

Yeah, I like that kind of wheeling and dealing and wish that people would consider spending to get prospects much more often.

 

Likewise. I think some team will figure it out... especially as the spending caps on Int'l players and the draft start to limit options for teams to build. The luxury tax is a long ways away for most teams and MLB payroll is about the only thing left that isn't capped.

[Cris E]

I think this is Marosi reacting to the crazy CF market, not Ryan making calls. MIN needs a rangy CF to cover for the performance art in LF and RF, where Willingham and Parmalee will be making folks pine for the days of Delmon in the corner.

 

But if you insist on getting out of the box, I believe the ridiculous cost of young pitching makes a move for a decent young middle infielder a good idea. The Twins don't have good prospects anywhere near ready, not like they do in the outfield, and converting from a position of depth would make good sense. Moving Revere now is earlier than anyone would prefer, but it's going to be the right move at some point.

[ashbury]

Angels are the first to mind with Vernon Wells. They'd have a nice outfield of Trout and Trumbo with Bourjos ® and Revere (L) and the salary savings would let them get another SP. We could easily ask for a pair of nice prospects in return.Crazy?

 

As others have responded, the outside-the-box thinking is great. Wells's contract is exactly the right length, ending before the 2015 season, but unfortunately he is too decrepit to play CF (I never liked him there in the first place) and his preferred position of LF is exactly where we aren't looking at the moment. And unfortunately I don't believe Willingham is going to fetch a good prospect at this time, not to mention that Wells would be such a serious downgrade at the position in terms of offense.

 

Alfonso Soriano is eerily similar to Wells (2B is not an option, LF only) except he might be still worthwhile on offense for two more years. A three-team trade where the Twins get Soriano from the Cubs and a stud prospect from Team C plus some other assorted youngsters, and give up both Revere and Willingham to be distributed between Cubs and Team C, might work?

 

But taking on huge salary negates the other type of plan that could involve trading Revere: signing someone for 2013-14 to let Hicks take his sweet time to develop rather than force feed him and pay arbitration a year or two too soon.

 

A trade that takes on salary 2013-14 would prove that the Twins timetable is 2015 and not 2014. Maybe for PR reasons they can't do that. Or, if Ryan is actually hedging his bets toward 2014 being good, then such a trade won't happen - he'll want budget flexibility to sign someone at a position of need that year, not an untradeable $18M albatross.

[cmathewson]

Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.

 

As much as i like Revere i think youre right. We need pitching prospects and I think Revere can get us something a little lower than Alex Meyer. Im excited for what Hicks can become, let him go through some growing pains in 2013 in the Majors, and hopefully he can become pretty darn good in 2014

[Jim H]

Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.

 

I don't really agree with any of this. Revere value may be as high as it going to get, but I doubt it. He has always shown an ability to hit. I believe he can contend for batting titles and if he does his value goes up, big time. Nothing about Hicks' year at AA suggest that he is close to ready to play in the majors. I suspect he will be very good when he is ready, but letting him struggle in the majors right now is unlikely to do him much good.

 

Finally, just because Buxton might be ready by 2016 is no reason to put Hicks in the majors now. They could play side by side, Hicks might be more tradeable with a lower salary, and just because Buxton might replace Hicks that soon is no good reason to let Hicks struggle in the majors if he is not ready.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I have a tough time believing Revere's value is at its zenith because I don't see Revere as all that valuable. I'd argue that if he put up an OPS between .700 and .750 this season that he'd have some value, but right now, there are too many question marks to think he's going to get mch of a return.

[Chris in Osaka]

Is a Revere for Hellickson trade possible?

 

You must be out of your mind!

[Chris in Osaka]

Revere's stock is at it's zenith. He will not get more valuable than he is right now. Hicks will be as good, all things considered, in 2013 and much better in 2014. I wouldn't worry about starting his arbitration clock, with Buxton's projected time of arrival at 2016.

 

Exactly. By the end of this year, his complete dearth of offensive skills will be glaringly apparent: no power and an on-base percentage below 300. Trade him for a warm arm or two.

[ScottyB]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/182355221.html

 

Latest from LEN III - Twins do seem to be shopping Revere and give a chance to Hicks in CF.

[jay]

Alfonso Soriano is eerily similar to Wells (2B is not an option, LF only) except he might be still worthwhile on offense for two more years. A three-team trade where the Twins get Soriano from the Cubs and a stud prospect from Team C plus some other assorted youngsters, and give up both Revere and Willingham to be distributed between Cubs and Team C, might work?

 

 

And at least then we'd still have some RH pop for the current lineup. I still think moving Revere is an odd concept and would rather seem Hammer move in a deal like this.

 

I really like the third team idea. We've been hearing about lots of multi-team talks down at the GM mtgs, so maybe something like that is possible. Maybe the Mariners? Hammer to SEA, Soriano and Paxton to MIN, MIN B-prospect to CHC? It wouldn't look as much like we've given up on '13 and '14 while we get a good arm back.

 

I'd probably give TR a gold star just for effort and doing something different if they pull it off.

[Connecticut Twins Fan]

You nailed it, Parker!